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Re: [zenhorsemanship] Ups and Downs. . mostly downs


>>That's a yes on this. The thing that I can't seem to wrap my mind around
>>is that when she offers headlowering, she throws her head down and I feel
>>like I need to reward her. It's not a nice relaxed gesture. I'll try to
>>get video of it because I think there is a lot more there than what I'm
>>seeing (thanks Julie L.). <<
Two things stand out. One she did not offer head lowering during CAT and
second that she threw her head down. It's almost a panic response. I'll put
human words around it.
"If I do this, she'll leave me alone"

Since this is something she knows how to do, I expect that you will begin to
see it offered as you proceed with CAT. However, do not expect it or look
for it. That would be shaping head down. We want to shape anything that is
relaxing for her and right now that is not head down.

So, go ahead and push the threshold a little at a time. Be sure to leave in
that 10 to 15 second wait time before proceeding forward after you leave. It
was a nice change that her teeth didn't clang during head down. I'd be very
happy with that. Next time quit on that note.

It was ok that you offered her c/t. As long as she doesn't feel pressure
from it. Now, you know how to recognize it. By you offering she'll begin to
see the connection and take some of the pressure off of her self. Just be
careful.

Warmly,
Dolores




Tue Jul 7, 2009 7:50 pm

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Hi all, We had our 14th Cat session with Jedda yesterday, it was slightly less than satisfying as she went back to pinned ears and nose stuck out when Kate got...
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Hi Laura, Just like in clicker training, we can get extinction bursts in CAT. I would say that no, you did not need to increase the distance. What you need to...
Dolores Arste
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We had our 14th Cat session with Jedda yesterday, it was slightly less than satisfying as she went back to pinned ears and nose stuck out when Kate got closer...
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Hi Dolores, Thanks for that considered reply, I spent a lot of yesterday "thinking" about how to look at our 14th session in strictly CAT terms, and the ...
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Laurel, Whoa girl :) ""Don't click the hand touch" when during the CAT process she comes to touch me, but then you are saying I can now offer my hand to her as...
Dolores Arste
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Hi Julie, ... days or a grumpy mood etc- it does not matter the reason but the fact that she is giving the actions then you take care of them ala CAT (even...
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Hi Laurel, It hurts us to the core when our fragile flowers turn their rumps on us!!! Particularly when we think we've got the keys to the kingdom!! You've...
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I'd like to rephrase a portion of my e-mail: "came after me rearing and striking" I'm not quite sure what was happening, because my back was turned, but out...
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Julie!! Keep yourself safe!! As one who has experienced all the downs as well as the soaring ups these girls send our way, I too have sat and cried, I must ...
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Laurel, Guess what I was doing with her..... I had her trotting round me at liberty, I was feeling like Klaus Hempfling and Alexander Nevzorov all rolled into...
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I know it's hard. But, try to remember that C/T is pressure too. The pressure to succeed sometimes that the horse puts on itself until the steam vent blows. ...
Dolores Arste
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Hi Dolores, "In retrospect which is usually where we find the 20/20, do you thing she had begun to bottle up at the point of headlowering? That's a yes on...
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... Two things stand out. One she did not offer head lowering during CAT and second that she threw her head down. It's almost a panic response. I'll put human...
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