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Ups and Downs. . mostly downs

Hi Laurel,
 
It hurts us to the core when our fragile flowers turn their rumps on us!!!  Particularly when we think we've got the keys to the kingdom!!   You've made so much progress and she's able to tell you now.    You and Jedda deserve a huge group hug!!
 
Night before last, she actually approached me and without crowding me (as she would normally do which is sadly intimidating), she came towards me with a friendly face and stood before me.  No teeth clanging or tail swishing - she seemed comfortable.  First time in a very long time.
 
 
The above e-mail was written on Thursday and I have a much different story to report . . . . On Saturday, I went through a short CAT trial with Grace.  Everything seemed okay, . . . I guess.  Seemed like I kind of got the hang of CAT and she was responding with friendly behaviors.  Good stuff.  Then, I thought that she really wanted to C/T (we had done a whole year of C/T and there were aspects of it that I thought she enjoyed).  So after the CAT trial, I went in the barn, got my clicker and treats (I wanted it to appear very different from the CAT trial).  She likes headdown and I've rewarded her heavily, so I thought it was safe.  So that went well, then I decided that she might like to trot around me.  Why I would think that we could go from headdown to trot around me is beyond me.  My mind works in mysterious ways that are generally pretty stupid.  Well, uh, Grace didn't seem to like the idea and came after me rearing and striking and then when I started screaming and jumping up and down to get her away from me, she spinned and kicked out at me.  By this time, I had taken my hat off and thrown it at her and immediately left the building so-to-speak.  I went in the barn, sat on a hay bale and cried.  She whinnied for me several times and after I got myself together, shed my C/T stuff; I went out and talked to her and we are okay.   
 
My thoughts at this point are that we are in no way ready for C/T combined with CAT unless it is for very basic behaviors such as headdown or targeting. 
 
Back to the drawing board.
Julie & Grace 


Mon Jul 6, 2009 4:50 pm

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Hi all, We had our 14th Cat session with Jedda yesterday, it was slightly less than satisfying as she went back to pinned ears and nose stuck out when Kate got...
Laurel Gordon
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Jun 29, 2009
9:18 pm

Hi Laura, Just like in clicker training, we can get extinction bursts in CAT. I would say that no, you did not need to increase the distance. What you need to...
Dolores Arste
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Jun 30, 2009
12:58 pm

We had our 14th Cat session with Jedda yesterday, it was slightly less than satisfying as she went back to pinned ears and nose stuck out when Kate got closer...
Julie Lannen
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Jun 30, 2009
7:03 pm

Hi Dolores, Thanks for that considered reply, I spent a lot of yesterday "thinking" about how to look at our 14th session in strictly CAT terms, and the ...
Laurel Gordon
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Jun 30, 2009
9:11 pm

Laurel, Whoa girl :) ""Don't click the hand touch" when during the CAT process she comes to touch me, but then you are saying I can now offer my hand to her as...
Dolores Arste
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Jun 30, 2009
10:13 pm

Hi Julie, ... days or a grumpy mood etc- it does not matter the reason but the fact that she is giving the actions then you take care of them ala CAT (even...
Laurel Gordon
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Jun 30, 2009
9:22 pm

Hi Laurel, It hurts us to the core when our fragile flowers turn their rumps on us!!! Particularly when we think we've got the keys to the kingdom!! You've...
Conway, Julie E
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Jul 6, 2009
4:51 pm

I'd like to rephrase a portion of my e-mail: "came after me rearing and striking" I'm not quite sure what was happening, because my back was turned, but out...
Conway, Julie E
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Jul 6, 2009
7:19 pm

Julie!! Keep yourself safe!! As one who has experienced all the downs as well as the soaring ups these girls send our way, I too have sat and cried, I must ...
Laurel Gordon
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Jul 6, 2009
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Laurel, Guess what I was doing with her..... I had her trotting round me at liberty, I was feeling like Klaus Hempfling and Alexander Nevzorov all rolled into...
Conway, Julie E
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Jul 6, 2009
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I know it's hard. But, try to remember that C/T is pressure too. The pressure to succeed sometimes that the horse puts on itself until the steam vent blows. ...
Dolores Arste
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Jul 7, 2009
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Hi Dolores, "In retrospect which is usually where we find the 20/20, do you thing she had begun to bottle up at the point of headlowering? That's a yes on...
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Jul 7, 2009
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... Two things stand out. One she did not offer head lowering during CAT and second that she threw her head down. It's almost a panic response. I'll put human...
Dolores Arste
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