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Re: [zenhorsemanship] Re: Ups and Downs

Laurel,
Whoa girl :)

""Don't click the hand touch" when during the CAT process she comes to touch
me, but then you are saying I can now offer my hand to her as target and
click it. What do I do next? would this be the point at which I would let
her out of the CAT yard and carry on with CT play? Say I decided to use the
halter during CAT with her loose in the little yard as usual, I would
approach, maybe extend my hand holding the halter a little, and wait. She
has been CT to touch the halter. If she does this during CAT, what do I do
next? Recently she's been turning her head away from the halter even though
she has freely approached "me carrying the halter" in a friendly way first.
Have I just had an AHA! moment thinking CAT has given her the power to say,
I'm not quite comfortable about that halter, even though with CT she's been
accepting being haltered for some years?"

Jumping ahead to halter may be too big a jump. We don't need to use CAT for
every little thing. You are correct in saying
"CAT has given her the power to say, I'm not quite comfortable ". She can
now choose to take herself away instead of "stuffing" her emotions.

So here we go. She's engaged you in a CAT session. I'd offer her a simple
targeting exercise. Then, I'd leave. I'd come back in C/T mode with the
halter.
It would be a separate event. As with CAT, you looked for signs of
relaxation, now as you bring C/T into the mix, you'll be on the lookout for
signs of
stress.

You want to eliminate/subtract stress. The stress is not necessarally
connected to one event or item like the halter. It could be that the C/T
itself is
the stressor. So, as before when you approached and stopped before she
reacted, now as you posted in the clip from 5Q you'd stop training before
it deteriorated into being stressful. Leave her wanting more.


Dolores Arste
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Tue Jun 30, 2009 10:07 pm

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Hi all, We had our 14th Cat session with Jedda yesterday, it was slightly less than satisfying as she went back to pinned ears and nose stuck out when Kate got...
Laurel Gordon
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Hi Laura, Just like in clicker training, we can get extinction bursts in CAT. I would say that no, you did not need to increase the distance. What you need to...
Dolores Arste
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We had our 14th Cat session with Jedda yesterday, it was slightly less than satisfying as she went back to pinned ears and nose stuck out when Kate got closer...
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Hi Dolores, Thanks for that considered reply, I spent a lot of yesterday "thinking" about how to look at our 14th session in strictly CAT terms, and the ...
Laurel Gordon
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Laurel, Whoa girl :) ""Don't click the hand touch" when during the CAT process she comes to touch me, but then you are saying I can now offer my hand to her as...
Dolores Arste
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Jun 30, 2009
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Hi Julie, ... days or a grumpy mood etc- it does not matter the reason but the fact that she is giving the actions then you take care of them ala CAT (even...
Laurel Gordon
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Hi Laurel, It hurts us to the core when our fragile flowers turn their rumps on us!!! Particularly when we think we've got the keys to the kingdom!! You've...
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I'd like to rephrase a portion of my e-mail: "came after me rearing and striking" I'm not quite sure what was happening, because my back was turned, but out...
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Julie!! Keep yourself safe!! As one who has experienced all the downs as well as the soaring ups these girls send our way, I too have sat and cried, I must ...
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Laurel, Guess what I was doing with her..... I had her trotting round me at liberty, I was feeling like Klaus Hempfling and Alexander Nevzorov all rolled into...
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I know it's hard. But, try to remember that C/T is pressure too. The pressure to succeed sometimes that the horse puts on itself until the steam vent blows. ...
Dolores Arste
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Hi Dolores, "In retrospect which is usually where we find the 20/20, do you thing she had begun to bottle up at the point of headlowering? That's a yes on...
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... Two things stand out. One she did not offer head lowering during CAT and second that she threw her head down. It's almost a panic response. I'll put human...
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