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Re: [zenhorsemanship] Ups and Downs

We had our 14th Cat session with Jedda yesterday, it was slightly less than satisfying as she went back to pinned ears and nose stuck out when Kate got closer this time. Should we have increased the distance again to stay just under this level of reaction? Kate said she very much felt this was not aggression directed towards her, but "stay out of my space you rude person!"  When I reviewed the video it didn't look as bad as I expected, but Jedda wasn't nearly as engaged in the process as during the previous session. Jedda was unusually "grumpy" and evasive with having her halter put on beforehand though as well, I tried CAT with the halter, but CT worked best to settle her in the end. She also chased Pedro away from me while this was going on, just wanted to play clicks with me on her terms at liberty I think.   Do I just write this down to a bad hair day?  Someone said on 5Q that JRR said to "trust the organism"........Jed has always gone two steps forward and one back throughout all her training, KF Hemplfling calls it 'the confounded 4th day' of learning.......As an experiment I did about 5 minutes of CAT with her in the pen and me as decoy using the same approach run but with one hand slightly extended, and she was touching my hand nicely, but then walked to the far side of the pen and stood for some minutes *yawn* with her butt to me. Then she turned and quite briskly walked up and touched my hand again.
 
HI Laurel -
 
I have noticed that it is not a good idea to think in terms of good hair days or a grumpy mood etc- it does not matter the reason but the fact that she is giving the actions then you take care of them ala CAT (even those given to Kate) I would go back behind the threshold and start. Don't fall into the explaining trap now - remember that if you don't take heed of her yelling at you (in this case) you might be proving to her that there is something to worry about....
 
now if it was early on in your CAT trials and you saw her present as I have underlined...what would you say to explain this?

Julie Lannen
Equilog & The Australian Clicker Connection
http://www.equilog.com.au
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Hi all, We had our 14th Cat session with Jedda yesterday, it was slightly less than satisfying as she went back to pinned ears and nose stuck out when Kate got...
Laurel Gordon
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Jun 29, 2009
9:18 pm

Hi Laura, Just like in clicker training, we can get extinction bursts in CAT. I would say that no, you did not need to increase the distance. What you need to...
Dolores Arste
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Jun 30, 2009
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We had our 14th Cat session with Jedda yesterday, it was slightly less than satisfying as she went back to pinned ears and nose stuck out when Kate got closer...
Julie Lannen
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Jun 30, 2009
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Hi Dolores, Thanks for that considered reply, I spent a lot of yesterday "thinking" about how to look at our 14th session in strictly CAT terms, and the ...
Laurel Gordon
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Jun 30, 2009
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Laurel, Whoa girl :) ""Don't click the hand touch" when during the CAT process she comes to touch me, but then you are saying I can now offer my hand to her as...
Dolores Arste
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Jun 30, 2009
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Hi Julie, ... days or a grumpy mood etc- it does not matter the reason but the fact that she is giving the actions then you take care of them ala CAT (even...
Laurel Gordon
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Jun 30, 2009
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Hi Laurel, It hurts us to the core when our fragile flowers turn their rumps on us!!! Particularly when we think we've got the keys to the kingdom!! You've...
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Jul 6, 2009
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I'd like to rephrase a portion of my e-mail: "came after me rearing and striking" I'm not quite sure what was happening, because my back was turned, but out...
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Jul 6, 2009
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Julie!! Keep yourself safe!! As one who has experienced all the downs as well as the soaring ups these girls send our way, I too have sat and cried, I must ...
Laurel Gordon
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Laurel, Guess what I was doing with her..... I had her trotting round me at liberty, I was feeling like Klaus Hempfling and Alexander Nevzorov all rolled into...
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Jul 6, 2009
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I know it's hard. But, try to remember that C/T is pressure too. The pressure to succeed sometimes that the horse puts on itself until the steam vent blows. ...
Dolores Arste
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Hi Dolores, "In retrospect which is usually where we find the 20/20, do you thing she had begun to bottle up at the point of headlowering? That's a yes on...
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... Two things stand out. One she did not offer head lowering during CAT and second that she threw her head down. It's almost a panic response. I'll put human...
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