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Re: [zenhorsemanship] Ups and Downs

Hi Laura,
Just like in clicker training, we can get extinction bursts in CAT.
I would say that no, you did not need to increase the distance.

What you need to do is let her know that that behavior is not what works.

When you see this as not engaged what you may actually be seeing is a
testing
process. The horse doesn't really believe what has happened up until now.
She's
likely as surprised by her feelings as you are.

So, she falls back to what worked previously to see what happens. Will the
other
shoe drop. That's the time for you and your decoy to stay compeltely
unemotional.
Just wait. If she gives distance, you've got to decide if leaving is better
than ugly faces

From her history, I would say that it is. I say this especially because you
wrote
"As an experiment I did about 5 minutes of CAT with her in the pen and me as
decoy using the same approach run but with one hand slightly extended, and
she was touching my hand nicely, but then walked to the far side of the pen
and stood for some minutes *yawn* with her butt to me. Then she turned and
quite briskly walked up and touched my hand again."

I love this decision that she made. The yawn is a release of tension. Most
of us would be inclined to click the hand touch. The touch of your hand is
not clickable.
What it is rather is an invitation to play. So, offer her something
clickable next. And, that c/t can still be a touch. Very hard to wrap your
head around this. But,
this distiction is very important. She came to you because you gave her
control. OK, she said. I'm ready. Now, you can do a c/t behavior

Dolores Arste
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Tue Jun 30, 2009 12:51 pm

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Hi all, We had our 14th Cat session with Jedda yesterday, it was slightly less than satisfying as she went back to pinned ears and nose stuck out when Kate got...
Laurel Gordon
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Jun 29, 2009
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Hi Laura, Just like in clicker training, we can get extinction bursts in CAT. I would say that no, you did not need to increase the distance. What you need to...
Dolores Arste
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We had our 14th Cat session with Jedda yesterday, it was slightly less than satisfying as she went back to pinned ears and nose stuck out when Kate got closer...
Julie Lannen
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Jun 30, 2009
7:03 pm

Hi Dolores, Thanks for that considered reply, I spent a lot of yesterday "thinking" about how to look at our 14th session in strictly CAT terms, and the ...
Laurel Gordon
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Laurel, Whoa girl :) ""Don't click the hand touch" when during the CAT process she comes to touch me, but then you are saying I can now offer my hand to her as...
Dolores Arste
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Hi Julie, ... days or a grumpy mood etc- it does not matter the reason but the fact that she is giving the actions then you take care of them ala CAT (even...
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Hi Laurel, It hurts us to the core when our fragile flowers turn their rumps on us!!! Particularly when we think we've got the keys to the kingdom!! You've...
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I'd like to rephrase a portion of my e-mail: "came after me rearing and striking" I'm not quite sure what was happening, because my back was turned, but out...
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Julie!! Keep yourself safe!! As one who has experienced all the downs as well as the soaring ups these girls send our way, I too have sat and cried, I must ...
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Laurel, Guess what I was doing with her..... I had her trotting round me at liberty, I was feeling like Klaus Hempfling and Alexander Nevzorov all rolled into...
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I know it's hard. But, try to remember that C/T is pressure too. The pressure to succeed sometimes that the horse puts on itself until the steam vent blows. ...
Dolores Arste
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Hi Dolores, "In retrospect which is usually where we find the 20/20, do you thing she had begun to bottle up at the point of headlowering? That's a yes on...
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... Two things stand out. One she did not offer head lowering during CAT and second that she threw her head down. It's almost a panic response. I'll put human...
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