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Re: [Yoshinkan] Re: Aikido as a "martial" art

Hmm....one of the age old questions. I wonder if this point was the very one
Danial san was learning from Mr. Miagi (spelling) by painting his fence.

"Martial" - to me means anything that could exibit lethal force.

That definition would say quite easily that Aikido is no exception to the
"Martial" way.

So, we train.

And maybe if the story is true of Usheba Sensei being enlighted enough to
decide NOT to exibit lethal force then we can decide to train hard enough to
have that option ourselves if we so choose.

Typically the people who ask this question are insecure about their "way" of
Aikido and simply need to let go of needing to prove it's value in a physical
since and focus on the deeper meanings.

Granted the deeper meaning won't mean much when you are being attacked in a
real situation.

So, we train.

There is no need to find out, although O'Sensei did by getting in fights with
the Japanese Mafia (See Aikido Shogyu). He, of course admitted in this book
that it was childish at best. Still the need to know existed.

So, I submit you let go completely of wondering and train or go out and find
the mafia wherever you live and pick a fight. I am sure you will find out your
answer.




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Thu Mar 23, 2006 11:43 pm

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I have question that has long since plagued my mind. How do you, as Yoshinkan practitioners, reconcile the fact that you devote so much of your time to a...
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Mar 23, 2006
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I believe Aikido is a budo and not a martial art in the usual way we think of that term. As a budo it is a "way" of life organized around martial principles. ...
Shumaker, Gordon
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Mar 23, 2006
7:51 pm

Heyas, To add to the thread Aikido is a martial art.Depends on how you train as individuals,and your instructors lesson plans.Just to add fuel to the ...
Brown John
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Mar 23, 2006
9:54 pm

I think that many of you make great points, especially Gordon's distinction between Budo and martial art. I agree that Yoshinkan can be used effectively in...
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Mar 23, 2006
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Hmm....one of the age old questions. I wonder if this point was the very one Danial san was learning from Mr. Miagi (spelling) by painting his fence. ...
Phase of Life
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Mar 23, 2006
11:43 pm

On the contrary, I believe (caveat, only a mudansha) Yoshinkan aikido can be effectively used in a street-fight, even if only in avoiding one (as Mr. Shumaker...
Fred Calef III
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Mar 23, 2006
8:48 pm

One further comment. Media accounts are replete with incidents in which yudansha in various martial arts have been beaten or killed by street fighters. In my...
Shumaker, Gordon
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Mar 24, 2006
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Sounds like good training! Some dojos are less "realistic." But even cops have problems when they try to use their modified Aikido techniques. A good...
Shumaker, Gordon
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Mar 24, 2006
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Mindset. The study of strict 'kihon' over the years gives you great flowing within the syllabus. That is about it. But as some people have said previously you...
Daryl Hartz
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Mar 24, 2006
2:11 pm

There have been some interesting and insightful comments from everybody so far. But I do some further questions/clarifications; Phase: That's a nice theory,...
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Mar 24, 2006
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The testing of Aikido as a "battle worthy" martial art is not even necessary. It has been battle proven for decades has it not? To know that it works without...
Daryl Hartz
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Mar 28, 2006
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Fire extinguishers are absolutely "useless"until they become priceless with the outbreak of a fire......That is the way of Aikido. ...
Brown John
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Mar 28, 2006
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Some people seem offended to think that Aikido might be called a budo rather than a martial art. A budo is a MARTIAL way. The word "bu" in Japanese signifies...
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