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Re: [Yoshinkan] Aikido as a "martial" art


On the contrary, I believe (caveat, only a mudansha) Yoshinkan aikido
can be effectively used in a street-fight, even if only in avoiding one
(as Mr. Shumaker pointed out). I agree with Mr. Shumaker that all modern
martial arts need modification to work on the street otherwise anyone
who was ever an uke would have a) irreparable body damage or b) be dead.
Just practicing shiho-nage can be deadly as is evidenced by deaths
caused by its practice in Japan (sorry, don't have the specific
references at hand). Let's look at this another way; how often have any
of you come close to injuring your uke? I know I've come close
(thankfully not too close), but stopped before injury occured. On the
street there would be an injury.

Before anyone jumps down my back, NO, I am not promoting Yoshinkan has
the goal to injure people. But the fact is, Yoshinkan is derived from a
lethal martial art and can be dangerous if not lethal if a technique was
applied against an attacker. I believe (again, MY opinion) that ignoring
the martial capabilities in Yoshinkan is a mistake; either the technique
works or it doesn't which translates to me 'it would be effective on the
street or it would not'. And let's face it, we train ukemi so that we
can take the technique without getting hurt. What if you asked a new
student to take any technique requiring a breakfall? There would be an
unnecesary injury.

And I would also beg to differ that jiyu-waza does train for real
situations. Granted, the attacks are highly likely to be different on
the street, but not completely foreign. A punch, a kick, and a swung
stick all could be adapted to from jiyu-waza training.

NO, I'm not looking for a fight, BUT Yoshinkan Aikido training does give
me the increased ability to avoid and if necessary defend myself in one.


Fred




Thu Mar 23, 2006 8:48 pm

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I have question that has long since plagued my mind. How do you, as Yoshinkan practitioners, reconcile the fact that you devote so much of your time to a...
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Mar 23, 2006
7:37 pm

I believe Aikido is a budo and not a martial art in the usual way we think of that term. As a budo it is a "way" of life organized around martial principles. ...
Shumaker, Gordon
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Mar 23, 2006
7:51 pm

Heyas, To add to the thread Aikido is a martial art.Depends on how you train as individuals,and your instructors lesson plans.Just to add fuel to the ...
Brown John
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Mar 23, 2006
9:54 pm

I think that many of you make great points, especially Gordon's distinction between Budo and martial art. I agree that Yoshinkan can be used effectively in...
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Mar 23, 2006
11:00 pm

Hmm....one of the age old questions. I wonder if this point was the very one Danial san was learning from Mr. Miagi (spelling) by painting his fence. ...
Phase of Life
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Mar 23, 2006
11:43 pm

On the contrary, I believe (caveat, only a mudansha) Yoshinkan aikido can be effectively used in a street-fight, even if only in avoiding one (as Mr. Shumaker...
Fred Calef III
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Mar 23, 2006
8:48 pm

One further comment. Media accounts are replete with incidents in which yudansha in various martial arts have been beaten or killed by street fighters. In my...
Shumaker, Gordon
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Mar 24, 2006
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Sounds like good training! Some dojos are less "realistic." But even cops have problems when they try to use their modified Aikido techniques. A good...
Shumaker, Gordon
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Mar 24, 2006
12:16 am

Mindset. The study of strict 'kihon' over the years gives you great flowing within the syllabus. That is about it. But as some people have said previously you...
Daryl Hartz
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Mar 24, 2006
2:11 pm

There have been some interesting and insightful comments from everybody so far. But I do some further questions/clarifications; Phase: That's a nice theory,...
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Mar 24, 2006
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The testing of Aikido as a "battle worthy" martial art is not even necessary. It has been battle proven for decades has it not? To know that it works without...
Daryl Hartz
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Mar 28, 2006
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Fire extinguishers are absolutely "useless"until they become priceless with the outbreak of a fire......That is the way of Aikido. ...
Brown John
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Mar 28, 2006
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Some people seem offended to think that Aikido might be called a budo rather than a martial art. A budo is a MARTIAL way. The word "bu" in Japanese signifies...
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Mar 28, 2006
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