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RE: [Yoshinkan] Aikido as a "martial" art

I believe Aikido is a budo and not a martial art in the usual way we
think of that term. As a budo it is a "way" of life organized around
martial principles.

As to effectiveness, if you mean "street effectiveness" as in actually
engaging in fights, no traditional "martial art" is readily effective
for that. Every art has to be modified for street effectiveness. Arts,
such as karate, that rely on kata have to be modified. But it is not
the techniques so much as the underlying principles that can make an art
street effective. The kihon training is aimed at allowing us to
discover those underlying principles that will enable us to adapt to a
street situation.

Another distinction needs to be made. That is between "fighting" and
"self-defense." There is a major difference between a fighting art and
a self-defense art. Aikido does not translate well either in spirit or
practice to fighting. It can, however, be effectively adapted to very
efficient self-defense. The evidence of this is the many law
enforcement and security agencies worldwide that have adopted Aikido as
their "martial art" of choice.

Bottom line: No art coming straight from the dojo is going to be
effective on the street. There has to be modification. So, basically,
we train in kihon because it promotes budo. We don't train with a view
toward using our kihon in street encounters, although we could and we
could do so effectively in many circumstances. Just think of evasions,
which are part of kihon waza. If you know how to evade effectively,
isn't that a great martial street skill? If you remove the target, you
can't be struck.

-----Original Message-----
From: yoshinkan@yahoogroups.com [mailto:yoshinkan@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of captain_black_belt
Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2006 1:36 PM
To: yoshinkan@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Yoshinkan] Aikido as a "martial" art

I have question that has long since plagued my mind. How do you, as
Yoshinkan practitioners, reconcile the fact that you devote so much of
your time to a martial art that isn't really 'martial'. I mean, we
understand that the training curriculum is quite standardized with a
strict focus on kihon, but the curriculum does not have any venue for
actually testing the effectiveness of aikido in violent situations. We
train the kihon, develop the principals, and improve our timing and
power through jiyu waza. But how do you reconcile the fact that this is
a 'martial' art without any means of testing its martial quality. This
certainly isn't a dig at aikido, considering that I practice it quite
regularly and have been for over a decade. I'm just curious to see how
the wider aikido community reconciles this aspect of the art. Or is
this aspect of it even important to many of you?

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I have question that has long since plagued my mind. How do you, as Yoshinkan practitioners, reconcile the fact that you devote so much of your time to a...
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Mar 23, 2006
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I believe Aikido is a budo and not a martial art in the usual way we think of that term. As a budo it is a "way" of life organized around martial principles. ...
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Mar 23, 2006
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Heyas, To add to the thread Aikido is a martial art.Depends on how you train as individuals,and your instructors lesson plans.Just to add fuel to the ...
Brown John
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Mar 23, 2006
9:54 pm

I think that many of you make great points, especially Gordon's distinction between Budo and martial art. I agree that Yoshinkan can be used effectively in...
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Mar 23, 2006
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Hmm....one of the age old questions. I wonder if this point was the very one Danial san was learning from Mr. Miagi (spelling) by painting his fence. ...
Phase of Life
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Mar 23, 2006
11:43 pm

On the contrary, I believe (caveat, only a mudansha) Yoshinkan aikido can be effectively used in a street-fight, even if only in avoiding one (as Mr. Shumaker...
Fred Calef III
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Mar 23, 2006
8:48 pm

One further comment. Media accounts are replete with incidents in which yudansha in various martial arts have been beaten or killed by street fighters. In my...
Shumaker, Gordon
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Mar 24, 2006
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Sounds like good training! Some dojos are less "realistic." But even cops have problems when they try to use their modified Aikido techniques. A good...
Shumaker, Gordon
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Mar 24, 2006
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Mindset. The study of strict 'kihon' over the years gives you great flowing within the syllabus. That is about it. But as some people have said previously you...
Daryl Hartz
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Mar 24, 2006
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There have been some interesting and insightful comments from everybody so far. But I do some further questions/clarifications; Phase: That's a nice theory,...
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Mar 24, 2006
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The testing of Aikido as a "battle worthy" martial art is not even necessary. It has been battle proven for decades has it not? To know that it works without...
Daryl Hartz
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Mar 28, 2006
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Fire extinguishers are absolutely "useless"until they become priceless with the outbreak of a fire......That is the way of Aikido. ...
Brown John
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Mar 28, 2006
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Some people seem offended to think that Aikido might be called a budo rather than a martial art. A budo is a MARTIAL way. The word "bu" in Japanese signifies...
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