Hello Everyone,

I recently have upgraded (well I hope it's an upgrade) to a new Madone
SL and I need to sell my Y-Foil 66.  It's a 62cm and is still mostly a
stock setup.  The bike has the newer Ultregra Shifters and the paint
is still perfect with no scratches or chips.  Included with the bike
will be a new set of bontrager race lite tires and I'll put on new bar
tape.  The bike is almost like new and I just did a complete clean up
and put on a new chain and had it tuned up.  I'm a bike shop employee
so the bike has had great care.  I want it to go to someone who
appreciates the Y-foil for what it is. I can send pictures to anyone
who might be interested.  I would like go get $1400.00 for it as it is
in great condition.
Kenthebruce@...

Got a sweet deal on a Madone SL, and so it's time for me to send off
my Y to someone who will love it as much as I did.  It's a postal 54cm
Y-77 which was built from a new frameset in 2002.  Here are the
relevant details:

Crankset: Ritchey Compact WCS with Dura-Ace 7700 BB (only a few months
old)
Wheels: Spinergy Spox R1/R2 (R1 carbon hubs with R2 aero rims,
includes bags and skewers)
Shifters: Mavic Mektronic 9 speed electronic shifting, works
perfectly, includes all manuals, extra button for aerobars, etc.
Brakes: Shimano 600 (8 speed Ultegra, never saw a reason to upgrade,
but front brakes have DA pads)
Handlebars & Stem: ITM handlebars with Icon quill stem (both 90 and
120mm are included)
Cassette: 12-27 DA with only 150 miles on it
Saddle: Fizik Poggio Pro Twintech

The bike's in great shape, though there are some small chips on the
paint (the paint on these things is not great).  The only chip that
actually goes through the paint is on the left side, and there's no
damage to the carbon.  No cracks in the paint around the BB.

I'm hoping for $1300.  Is this a fair price?

The decals. that's it. Otherwise Frame is exactly the same

Michael <bocamikey@...> wrote:          I'm new here,
What is the difference between a Y-Foil 66 and a 77 ??
Thanks





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The group on the 66 was Ultegra, the 77 was Dura Ace.
Chris


----- Original Message ----
From: Michael <bocamikey@...>
To: yfoil@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, December 16, 2006 11:47:10 AM
Subject: [yfoil] 66 & 77

I'm new here,
What is the difference between a Y-Foil 66 and a 77 ??
Thanks




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I ride a 54cm Y-Foil and a 54cm Madone. They both fit me fine.
>
> From: yfoil@yahoogroups.com [mailto:yfoil@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of
> nirhalen
> Sent: Friday, December 15, 2006 3:54 PM
> To: yfoil@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [yfoil] Thinking about picking up a used Madone
>
>
>
> Of course I will test ride anything before I buy it, but I wanted
this
> groups thoughts on sizing. I currently ride a 54 Y which is a little
> on the big side for me (I'm 5'7") so I'm thinking a 52cm Madone
would
> work well for me. Does anyone know how Y geometry compares to trek
> geometry, since the Y is really a lemond design I think the two are
> not directly comparable.
>
> TIA,
>
> Nick
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

Other than paint the 66s used Ultegra components and
the 77s used Dura Ace.
--- Michael <bocamikey@...> wrote:

> I'm new here,
> What is the difference between a Y-Foil 66 and a 77
> ??
> Thanks
>
>
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I'm new here,
What is the difference between a Y-Foil 66 and a 77 ??
Thanks

I ride a 56 Y and a 56 5200.  Both fit great.

   _____

From: yfoil@yahoogroups.com [mailto:yfoil@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
nirhalen
Sent: Friday, December 15, 2006 3:54 PM
To: yfoil@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [yfoil] Thinking about picking up a used Madone



Of course I will test ride anything before I buy it, but I wanted this
groups thoughts on sizing. I currently ride a 54 Y which is a little
on the big side for me (I'm 5'7") so I'm thinking a 52cm Madone would
work well for me. Does anyone know how Y geometry compares to trek
geometry, since the Y is really a lemond design I think the two are
not directly comparable.

TIA,

Nick





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Of course I will test ride anything before I buy it, but I wanted this
groups thoughts on sizing.  I currently ride a 54 Y which is a little
on the big side for me (I'm 5'7") so I'm thinking a 52cm Madone would
work well for me.  Does anyone know how Y geometry compares to trek
geometry, since the Y is really a lemond design I think the two are
not directly comparable.

TIA,

Nick

Does anyone know where I might find these on the net? I'd like to make
a 3d model of the bike. I have one, bought in 1999, but am hoping to
save myself the trouble of taking the whole thing apart and drawing
each piece. On the other hand, that might be kind of fun...

AP

Matt,

I live in the wide open spaces of West Maui.  I use
the Y-Foil mainly on long, pretty straight flats with
a little climbing/decending over the pali thrown in.
I'd like to lighten the bike but retain the current
handling characteristics.  From your reply below it
looks like the 50 will do the job.

Thanks for all the help.

Mike

--- Matt Rhoades <moxiusa@...> wrote:

> A 50mm rake is pretty intense, but for a Foil it
> might be the way to go. Ultimately it's your choice
> as to what type of ride characteristic you are
> after. The 20mm head tube drop really messes
> everything up. Personally I would go with the 43mm
> rake is you live in a city and need to navigate in
> and out of tight space, or go with the 50mm if you
> want some sort of softer steering.
>
> Good luck
>
> Matt
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: hobie1616 <hobie1616@...>
> To: yfoil@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2006 2:38:30 PM
> Subject: Re: [yfoil] Y-Foil Design photos posted...
>
>
> Matt,
>
> As we're stuck with using a 1" steerer tube
> diameter,
> wuold you recommend the 43 or 50 rake on the Ouzo
> Pro
> fork?
>
http://www.reynoldscomposites.com/products_forks_ouzopro.html
>
> TIA,
>
> Mike



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Hi, Sorry for the late reply I havent been checking the message board, I forgot
how much I payed for it I got it directly from Serotta and mount it but my frame
is a 49 so my bike looked like a cruiser and had it removed how about $35
including S&H
in the continental US.

   Arturo
Raymond Landa <RaymondLanda@...> wrote:
           Arturo, I'm interested in the spacer. How much do you want for it and
is
there a phone number you can be reached at?

>From: "L. Arturo Baez, M.D." <arturobaez@...>
>Reply-To: yfoil@yahoogroups.com
>To: yfoil@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: Re: [yfoil] Fork Swap
>Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2006 13:27:20 -0700 (PDT)
>
>I have a Serotta titanium spacer if anybody is interested
>
> Arturo
>
>hobie1616 <hobie1616@...> wrote:
> Matt,
>
>Anything you can offer would be great!! Pictures,
>models, failed prototypes, anything you've got from
>Trek's skunkworks.
>
>Here's an engineering question. A number of Y-Foil
>owners have lightened the bike by swapping out the
>fork. For a while there was an adapter that would add
>space between the top of the new fork and the frame so
>the fork trail angle wouldn't change. The spacer is
>no longer available. Is it okay to replace the stock
>fork and have the trail angle change?
>
>TIA
>
>Mike
>
>
>
>
>
>
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A 50mm rake is pretty intense, but for a Foil it might be the way to go.
Ultimately it's your choice as to what type of ride characteristic you are
after. The 20mm head tube drop really messes everything up. Personally I would
go with the 43mm rake is you live in a city and need to navigate in and out of
tight space, or go with the 50mm if you want some sort of softer steering.

Good luck

Matt


----- Original Message ----
From: hobie1616 <hobie1616@...>
To: yfoil@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2006 2:38:30 PM
Subject: Re: [yfoil] Y-Foil Design photos posted...


Matt,

As we're stuck with using a 1" steerer tube diameter,
wuold you recommend the 43 or 50 rake on the Ouzo Pro
fork?
http://www.reynoldscomposites.com/products_forks_ouzopro.html

TIA,

Mike

--- Matt Rhoades <moxiusa@...> wrote:

> Gang
>
>  Just keep in mind that all of the frame sizes were
> designed to utilize a suspension fork, so the head
> tubes were raised up 20mm to account for the travel.
> If you use anything less then the stock fork (with
> the stretched out crown) or the Ruby(?) Rock Shox
> road model, you will be effecting the geometry. A
> steaper head tube angle will cause your bikie to be
> a bit more squirrly and responsive. A longer raked
> fork will help but will also give you a different
> result.
>
> Because of my involvement in the design and
> development of the Reynolds forks they are my first
> choice. My suggestion is to use an Ouzo Aero fork
> with the long cord length / cross section for
> aerodynamics that would compliment the Foil frame
> aerodynamics.
>
> Matt
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Raymond Landa <RaymondLanda@...>
> To: yfoil@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Monday, October 30, 2006 4:27:26 PM
> Subject: RE: [yfoil] Y-Foil Design photos posted...
>
>
> Matt, a lot of us are interested in changing the
> fork on our Y-Foils. I have
> a 59cm and I am thinking of using an Easton EC90
> Aero fork. Is this a good
> idea or should I use an extender to maintain the
> geometry?
>
>
> >From: "moxiusa" <moxiusa@...>
> >Reply-To: yfoil@yahoogroups.com
> >To: yfoil@yahoogroups.com
> >Subject: [yfoil] Y-Foil Design photos posted...
> >Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2006 22:17:14 -0000
> >
> >Gang
> >
> >Go to the photo section on the left to view the
> first 5 shots I
> >found on my hard drive.
> >
> >The other photos are from the original build of the
> foam prototype.
> >You can see in the layout page the foam bike along
> side the final
> >production model. They were very close but with
> slightly larger
> >cross sections. We had to beef them up to make sure
> people wouldn't
> >break the over sized tubes.
> >
> >More to follow as I find them...
> >
> >A couple of you asked what I was up to now. After a
> 10+ years in the
> >product consultancies in San Francsco at a quick
> stint at Fox
> >Racing, I moved to Portland to be a Creative
> Director at Nike. In
> >the years following Trek I worked freelance for
> Reynolds Composites
> >designing their entire product line up until 2-3
> years ago. The Ouzo
> >Pro is another one of my cycling successes.
> >
> >Matt
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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Arturo, I'm interested in the spacer. How much do you want for it and is
there a phone number you can be reached at?


>From: "L. Arturo Baez, M.D." <arturobaez@...>
>Reply-To: yfoil@yahoogroups.com
>To: yfoil@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: Re: [yfoil] Fork Swap
>Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2006 13:27:20 -0700 (PDT)
>
>I have a Serotta titanium spacer if anybody is interested
>
>   Arturo
>
>hobie1616 <hobie1616@...> wrote:
>           Matt,
>
>Anything you can offer would be great!! Pictures,
>models, failed prototypes, anything you've got from
>Trek's skunkworks.
>
>Here's an engineering question. A number of Y-Foil
>owners have lightened the bike by swapping out the
>fork. For a while there was an adapter that would add
>space between the top of the new fork and the frame so
>the fork trail angle wouldn't change. The spacer is
>no longer available. Is it okay to replace the stock
>fork and have the trail angle change?
>
>TIA
>
>Mike
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Matt,

As we're stuck with using a 1" steerer tube diameter,
wuold you recommend the 43 or 50 rake on the Ouzo Pro
fork?
http://www.reynoldscomposites.com/products_forks_ouzopro.html

TIA,

Mike

--- Matt Rhoades <moxiusa@...> wrote:

> Gang
>
>  Just keep in mind that all of the frame sizes were
> designed to utilize a suspension fork, so the head
> tubes were raised up 20mm to account for the travel.
> If you use anything less then the stock fork (with
> the stretched out crown) or the Ruby(?) Rock Shox
> road model, you will be effecting the geometry. A
> steaper head tube angle will cause your bikie to be
> a bit more squirrly and responsive. A longer raked
> fork will help but will also give you a different
> result.
>
> Because of my involvement in the design and
> development of the Reynolds forks they are my first
> choice. My suggestion is to use an Ouzo Aero fork
> with the long cord length / cross section for
> aerodynamics that would compliment the Foil frame
> aerodynamics.
>
> Matt
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Raymond Landa <RaymondLanda@...>
> To: yfoil@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Monday, October 30, 2006 4:27:26 PM
> Subject: RE: [yfoil] Y-Foil Design photos posted...
>
>
> Matt, a lot of us are interested in changing the
> fork on our Y-Foils. I have
> a 59cm and I am thinking of using an Easton EC90
> Aero fork. Is this a good
> idea or should I use an extender to maintain the
> geometry?
>
>
> >From: "moxiusa" <moxiusa@...>
> >Reply-To: yfoil@yahoogroups.com
> >To: yfoil@yahoogroups.com
> >Subject: [yfoil] Y-Foil Design photos posted...
> >Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2006 22:17:14 -0000
> >
> >Gang
> >
> >Go to the photo section on the left to view the
> first 5 shots I
> >found on my hard drive.
> >
> >The other photos are from the original build of the
> foam prototype.
> >You can see in the layout page the foam bike along
> side the final
> >production model. They were very close but with
> slightly larger
> >cross sections. We had to beef them up to make sure
> people wouldn't
> >break the over sized tubes.
> >
> >More to follow as I find them...
> >
> >A couple of you asked what I was up to now. After a
> 10+ years in the
> >product consultancies in San Francsco at a quick
> stint at Fox
> >Racing, I moved to Portland to be a Creative
> Director at Nike. In
> >the years following Trek I worked freelance for
> Reynolds Composites
> >designing their entire product line up until 2-3
> years ago. The Ouzo
> >Pro is another one of my cycling successes.
> >
> >Matt
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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Gang

  Just keep in mind that all of the frame sizes were designed to utilize a
suspension fork, so the head tubes were raised up 20mm to account for the
travel. If you use anything less then the stock fork (with the stretched out
crown) or the Ruby(?) Rock Shox road model, you will be effecting the geometry.
A steaper head tube angle will cause your bikie to be a bit more squirrly and
responsive. A longer raked fork will help but will also give you a different
result.

Because of my involvement in the design and development of the Reynolds forks
they are my first choice. My suggestion is to use an Ouzo Aero fork with the
long cord length / cross section for aerodynamics that would compliment the Foil
frame aerodynamics.

Matt


----- Original Message ----
From: Raymond Landa <RaymondLanda@...>
To: yfoil@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, October 30, 2006 4:27:26 PM
Subject: RE: [yfoil] Y-Foil Design photos posted...


Matt, a lot of us are interested in changing the fork on our Y-Foils. I have
a 59cm and I am thinking of using an Easton EC90 Aero fork. Is this a good
idea or should I use an extender to maintain the geometry?


>From: "moxiusa" <moxiusa@...>
>Reply-To: yfoil@yahoogroups.com
>To: yfoil@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [yfoil] Y-Foil Design photos posted...
>Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2006 22:17:14 -0000
>
>Gang
>
>Go to the photo section on the left to view the first 5 shots I
>found on my hard drive.
>
>The other photos are from the original build of the foam prototype.
>You can see in the layout page the foam bike along side the final
>production model. They were very close but with slightly larger
>cross sections. We had to beef them up to make sure people wouldn't
>break the over sized tubes.
>
>More to follow as I find them...
>
>A couple of you asked what I was up to now. After a 10+ years in the
>product consultancies in San Francsco at a quick stint at Fox
>Racing, I moved to Portland to be a Creative Director at Nike. In
>the years following Trek I worked freelance for Reynolds Composites
>designing their entire product line up until 2-3 years ago. The Ouzo
>Pro is another one of my cycling successes.
>
>Matt
>
>
>

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Hi Matt and Y foil lovers

Firstly I love the Bike. Just completed Round the Bay in Melbourne
Australia some 133 miles with a riding time of 7 hrs 20 min.
The seat was fantastic for the first 100 miles and only became a little
sore for the remainder.
I think I am the only one Down Under with a Y Foil Seventy Seven
although Trek Australia has told me they delivered 2 others.
I noticed in your design on the 77 the handle bars are attached by an
A-Head Allen key method where as mine is the old Quilled traditional
style was the new system standard?
Specs
56 cm
Durace 9 speed 27- 12  52-39
Spinergy wheels
Shimano SPD pedals (prefer Nike Alpin MTB shoes)

Richard

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From: yfoil@yahoogroups.com [mailto:yfoil@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Matt Rhoades
Sent: Saturday, 28 October 2006 8:01 AM
To: yfoil@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [yfoil] Fork Swap



Gang

OK, here are the first set of images I found on my hard drive. These are
not the ones I was wanting to show, but should be interesting
none-the-less. The other photos are from the original build of the blue
prototype. You can see in the layout page the foam bike along side the
final production model. They were very close but with slightly larger
cross sections. We had to beef them up to make sure people wouldn't
break the over sized tubes.

More to follow as I find them...

BTW, A couple of you asked what I was up to now. After a 10+ years in
the product consultancies in San Francsco, I moved to Portland to be a
Creative Director at Nike. In the years following Trek I worked
freelance for Reynolds Composites designing their entire product line up
until 2-3 years ago. The Ouzo Pro is another one of my cycling
successes.

More later...

Matt

----- Original Message ----
From: John Sandford <johnsandford@...
<mailto:johnsandford%40hfx.eastlink.ca> >
To: yfoil@yahoogroups.com <mailto:yfoil%40yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, October 27, 2006 9:18:06 AM
Subject: RE: [yfoil] Fork Swap

My Blue Y was recently sent to TREK for them to investigate a horizontal
crack in the paint, just above the BB.
It was returned sans Fork. (If I had found this forum first, I would not
have even bothered sending it btw.)
The LBS installed a standard fork, which I have ridden since, and just
completed Ironman Canada 2006 with it.
Frankly, it is a great improvement, and the front end is not twitchy due
to
the change in trail.
Have done IMC 5 times with this bike, and this was definitely the most
comfortable/best fit ride of them all.
Its always a pleasure to ride 180km on such a smooth machine that sucks
up
all the bumps, and doesnt drive them up your butt
I suppose the lower front end has steepened the apparent seat tube angle
slightly, which is good for Tri. One day i'll draw it up in autocad and
take
a better look.
If TREK ever find and return the orignal fork, I will hang it on the
wall,
as I plan to keep the current set up.

Cant wait to see more from Matt !!

Take Care All
John

-----Original Message-----
From: yfoil@yahoogroups.com <mailto:yfoil%40yahoogroups.com>  [mailto:
yfoil@yahoogroups.com <mailto:yfoil%40yahoogroups.com> ]On Behalf Of
hobie1616
Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2006 3:47 PM
To: yfoil@yahoogroups.com <mailto:yfoil%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [yfoil] Fork Swap

Matt,

Anything you can offer would be great!! Pictures,
models, failed prototypes, anything you've got from
Trek's skunkworks.

Here's an engineering question. A number of Y-Foil
owners have lightened the bike by swapping out the
fork. For a while there was an adapter that would add
space between the top of the new fork and the frame so
the fork trail angle wouldn't change. The spacer is
no longer available. Is it okay to replace the stock
fork and have the trail angle change?

TIA

Mike

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Matt, a lot of us are interested in changing the fork on our Y-Foils. I have
a 59cm and I am thinking of using an Easton EC90 Aero fork. Is this a good
idea or should I use an extender to maintain the geometry?


>From: "moxiusa" <moxiusa@...>
>Reply-To: yfoil@yahoogroups.com
>To: yfoil@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [yfoil] Y-Foil Design photos posted...
>Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2006 22:17:14 -0000
>
>Gang
>
>Go to the photo section on the left to view the first 5 shots I
>found on my hard drive.
>
>The other photos are from the original build of the foam prototype.
>You can see in the layout page the foam bike along side the final
>production model. They were very close but with slightly larger
>cross sections. We had to beef them up to make sure people wouldn't
>break the over sized tubes.
>
>More to follow as I find them...
>
>A couple of you asked what I was up to now. After a 10+ years in the
>product consultancies in San Francsco at a quick stint at Fox
>Racing, I moved to Portland to be a Creative Director at Nike. In
>the years following Trek I worked freelance for Reynolds Composites
>designing their entire product line up until 2-3 years ago. The Ouzo
>Pro is another one of my cycling successes.
>
>Matt
>
>
>

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Excellent condition, Ultegra components, FIZIK saddle, Profile-Design
Carbon X Handlebars. Configured as a time trial bike for Triathlons. I
just bought the Scott Plasma Pro and have to say good bye to my old
friend.  Salt Lake City area - $1200 plus shipping (not sure what
shipping will cost but probably another $60)- I will include the
original handlebars with cables and STI shifters for those that want
the original bike. No pedals

Gang

Go to the photo section on the left to view the first 5 shots I
found on my hard drive.

The other photos are from the original build of the foam prototype.
You can see in the layout page the foam bike along side the final
production model. They were very close but with slightly larger
cross sections. We had to beef them up to make sure people wouldn't
break the over sized tubes.

More to follow as I find them...

A couple of you asked what I was up to now. After a 10+ years in the
product consultancies in San Francsco at a quick stint at Fox
Racing, I moved to Portland to be a Creative Director at Nike. In
the years following Trek I worked freelance for Reynolds Composites
designing their entire product line up until 2-3 years ago. The Ouzo
Pro is another one of my cycling successes.

Matt

I'm selling my red Y Foil on eBay if anyone is interested:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=004&sspagename=STRK%
3AMESE%3AIT&viewitem=&item=140046679945&rd=1&rd=1

My Blue Y was recently sent to TREK for them to investigate a horizontal
crack in the paint, just above the BB.
It was returned sans Fork. (If I had found this forum first, I would not
have even bothered sending it btw.)
The LBS installed a standard fork, which I have ridden since, and just
completed Ironman Canada 2006 with it.
Frankly, it is a great improvement, and the front end is not twitchy due to
the change in trail.
Have done IMC 5 times with this bike, and this was definitely the most
comfortable/best fit ride of them all.
Its always a pleasure to ride 180km on such a smooth machine that sucks up
all the bumps, and doesnt drive them up your butt
I suppose the lower front end has steepened the apparent seat tube angle
slightly, which is good for Tri. One day i'll draw it up in autocad and take
a better look.
If TREK ever find and return the orignal fork, I will hang it on the wall,
as I plan to keep the current set up.

Cant wait to see more from Matt !!

Take Care All
John

   -----Original Message-----
   From: yfoil@yahoogroups.com [mailto:yfoil@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of
hobie1616
   Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2006 3:47 PM
   To: yfoil@yahoogroups.com
   Subject: [yfoil] Fork Swap


   Matt,

   Anything you can offer would be great!! Pictures,
   models, failed prototypes, anything you've got from
   Trek's skunkworks.

   Here's an engineering question. A number of Y-Foil
   owners have lightened the bike by swapping out the
   fork. For a while there was an adapter that would add
   space between the top of the new fork and the frame so
   the fork trail angle wouldn't change. The spacer is
   no longer available. Is it okay to replace the stock
   fork and have the trail angle change?

   TIA

   Mike






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I'm interested. how much?


>From: "L. Arturo Baez, M.D." <arturobaez@...>
>Reply-To: yfoil@yahoogroups.com
>To: yfoil@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: Re: [yfoil] Fork Swap
>Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2006 13:27:20 -0700 (PDT)
>
>I have a Serotta titanium spacer if anybody is interested
>
>   Arturo
>
>hobie1616 <hobie1616@...> wrote:
>           Matt,
>
>Anything you can offer would be great!! Pictures,
>models, failed prototypes, anything you've got from
>Trek's skunkworks.
>
>Here's an engineering question. A number of Y-Foil
>owners have lightened the bike by swapping out the
>fork. For a while there was an adapter that would add
>space between the top of the new fork and the frame so
>the fork trail angle wouldn't change. The spacer is
>no longer available. Is it okay to replace the stock
>fork and have the trail angle change?
>
>TIA
>
>Mike
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Thanks for the kind words about the bike. At the time I was very proud of how
the Y-Foil turned out. It was a real turning point for the beam style bikes to
be officially excepted as main stream.

The Y-Foil bike actually started out as a full suspension road bike- following
the y-bike philosophy. But at the last minute (by the cycling purists) it was
converted into a hard tail. Thus the additional 20mm raise in the head tube, to
accept a suspension fork.

Story: The original surf-board foam model looked so real and cool that it was
broken 6 different times at six different bike shows through out the world. Each
time it was sent back to me to repair and repaint. Fortunately the bike also won
EVERY best in show at everyone of those bike shows. Redemption!

All the best

Matt






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----- Original Message ----
From: Pete Ehlke <peteehlke@...>
To: yfoil@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2006 6:19:00 PM
Subject: Re: [yfoil] Y-Foil designer...


Matt:

Absolutely! I'm sure I speak for more than myself when I say that we would LOVE
to hear any stories, see any photos, whatever. I've owned a lot of bikes over
the years; my y-foil is still my overall favorite, and the one that I cannot
imagine ever selling. I'm constantly amazed at how well it holds up next to
modern road bikes. Truly a classic.

Thanks!

-Pete

----- Original Message ----
From: moxiusa <moxiusa@...>
To: yfoil@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2006 4:39:23 PM
Subject: [yfoil] Y-Foil designer...













             Hello, everyone.



My name is Matt Rhoades, the designer of the Trek Y-Foil composite

road bike... circa 1994. I was the first Industrial Designer hired at

Trek back in the late summer of 1993. My first project was the Trek Y-

Bike series of full suspension mountain bikes. The Y-Foil was a

continuation of that series, road bike version.



Good to see that there are fans of the Y-Foil. It was one of those

projects that was tough to push through. It lived briefly in the tri-

athlete geometry market.



Let me know if anyone wants more of an inside scoop... or rare

developmental photographs (if I can find them) of the surf-board foam

model creation.



Just thought I would share...



Matt














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I have a Serotta titanium spacer if anybody is interested

   Arturo

hobie1616 <hobie1616@...> wrote:
           Matt,

Anything you can offer would be great!! Pictures,
models, failed prototypes, anything you've got from
Trek's skunkworks.

Here's an engineering question. A number of Y-Foil
owners have lightened the bike by swapping out the
fork. For a while there was an adapter that would add
space between the top of the new fork and the frame so
the fork trail angle wouldn't change. The spacer is
no longer available. Is it okay to replace the stock
fork and have the trail angle change?

TIA

Mike






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Group

Wow, I was overwhelmed by the response from everyone. In a 24 hour
period I recieved about 15-20 emails. I'll go ahead and email all of
you back, just give me a little time.

Let me see what I can do about gathering up a few images from 12
years ago.

BTW, there is a show of of the history of Industrial Design at Trek
Bicycle in the Eisner museum in Milwaukee, Nov 15th – June 30th.

http://www.eisnermuseum.org/exhibits/upcoming.php

If any of you live in the greater Milwaukee Wisconsin area you
should check it out. I'm sure the Y-bike and Y-Foil will have a
grand presents at the show because they were very important to the
history of design at Trek.

Thanks

Matt

Matt,

Anything you can offer would be great!!  Pictures,
models, failed prototypes, anything you've got from
Trek's skunkworks.

Here's an engineering question.  A number of Y-Foil
owners have lightened the bike by swapping out the
fork.  For a while there was an adapter that would add
space between the top of the new fork and the frame so
the fork trail angle wouldn't change.  The spacer is
no longer available.  Is it okay to replace the stock
fork and have the trail angle change?

TIA

Mike

I remember (and still have) the Road Bike Review that had a blue proto Y-Foil on
the cover with the caption "Trek's Future Shock"  The magazine used it as a
tease, there was nothing on the inside about it but there was a silly test ride
of Cannondale's rollerbladed front trade show concept bike. No one could ride
that without falling over. This was '94 I think. I was still hot for the LeMond
V-2 Boomerang.  I saw an unbuilt LeMond frame at a Dallas bike store and thought
it was the coolest thing, that is until I bought a Mike Pigg signed Y-Foil on
e-bay.  The Road Bike Review picture shows a bike with thinner rear stays than
the production bike. I would love to see a thesis from Mike Rhodes on all things
Y-Foil as I will never part with mine.  A fabulous bike....


----- Original Message ----
From: Emile Bremmer <e.c.h.bremmer@...>
To: yfoil@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2006 9:56:36 AM
Subject: [yfoil] Re: Y-Foil designer...

I noticed some photo's of two prototype Y's on this group (somewhere
(in the "files" section I think) and those blew me away; I'd kill for
any obscure photos/info you can share with us!

Greetz,
Emile

--- In yfoil@yahoogroups. com, "moxiusa" <moxiusa@... > wrote:
>
> Hello, everyone.
>
> My name is Matt Rhoades, the designer of the Trek Y-Foil composite
> road bike... circa 1994. I was the first Industrial Designer hired at
> Trek back in the late summer of 1993. My first project was the Trek Y-
> Bike series of full suspension mountain bikes. The Y-Foil was a
> continuation of that series, road bike version.
>
> Good to see that there are fans of the Y-Foil. It was one of those
> projects that was tough to push through. It lived briefly in the tri-
> athlete geometry market.
>
> Let me know if anyone wants more of an inside scoop... or rare
> developmental photographs (if I can find them) of the surf-board foam
> model creation.
>
> Just thought I would share...
>
> Matt
>






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I noticed some photo's of two prototype Y's on this group (somewhere
(in the "files" section I think) and those blew me away; I'd kill for
any obscure photos/info you can share with us!

Greetz,
Emile

--- In yfoil@yahoogroups.com, "moxiusa" <moxiusa@...> wrote:
>
> Hello, everyone.
>
> My name is Matt Rhoades, the designer of the Trek Y-Foil composite
> road bike... circa 1994. I was the first Industrial Designer hired at
> Trek back in the late summer of 1993. My first project was the Trek Y-
> Bike series of full suspension mountain bikes. The Y-Foil was a
> continuation of that series, road bike version.
>
> Good to see that there are fans of the Y-Foil. It was one of those
> projects that was tough to push through. It lived briefly in the tri-
> athlete geometry market.
>
> Let me know if anyone wants more of an inside scoop... or rare
> developmental photographs (if I can find them) of the surf-board foam
> model creation.
>
> Just thought I would share...
>
> Matt
>

nirhalen wrote:
> Matt,
>
> I'm sure I'm echoing the sentiments of the group by saying, YES, we
> would love to see anything and everything you've got.  Personally, I'm
> interested in how the project started, what the goals were at
> inception, and any stories you can relate about the development, but
> I'm sure everyone is keenly interested in whatever you have to say.
>
> What are you doing these days?
>
> -Nick
>
> --- In yfoil@yahoogroups.com, "moxiusa" <moxiusa@...> wrote:
>
>> Hello, everyone.
>>
>> My name is Matt Rhoades, the designer of the Trek Y-Foil composite
>> road bike... circa 1994. I was the first Industrial Designer hired at
>> Trek back in the late summer of 1993. My first project was the Trek Y-
>> Bike series of full suspension mountain bikes. The Y-Foil was a
>> continuation of that series, road bike version.
>>
>> Good to see that there are fans of the Y-Foil. It was one of those
>> projects that was tough to push through. It lived briefly in the tri-
>> athlete geometry market.
>>
>> Let me know if anyone wants more of an inside scoop... or rare
>> developmental photographs (if I can find them) of the surf-board foam
>> model creation.
>>
>> Just thought I would share...
>>
>> Matt
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
I'm with you Nick.  The Y-Foil is interesting, for sure: I have two and
don't ever plan on selling them.  But, I would really like to hear a
little more about the designer and the real reason for dumping it
instead of, perhaps, increasing the seat tube angle and going all out
for the tri guys.

Bob