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Re: Offence

It would be a long answer...but in (not so)
short.<br><br>I studied Tracy Kempo in the early '70s in
Massachusetts and White Dragon Pai Lum with Pai-Yili (Tom
Parish in PA.) in the mid '70's. (just as Cynthia
Rothrock was ending her tournament scene, I can tell you
some stories about her in the dojo that she wouldn't
want known ..well maybe I wouldn't)... Then with
Master St. Charles in Connecticut<br><br>In the early
'80s I went to Israel for a six month program and was
hooked on the army scene there and spent 3 years there 2
in the army ending as a Sergeant 2nd class. The
experiences there in the Hebron and Hertzelia areas were
nothing that M/A training could prepare you
for.<br><br>When I returned, I began to train with Prof. Mauray in
Shotokan in NYC and with Thomas Casale in brooklyn. I
began to volunteer with the NYCPD's Auxiliary and
C.O.P. and BECAUSE they can't carry guns, I felt very
capable.<br><br>During the riots in 1991 in Crown Heights, the PD sent
me in as being Jewish, to find out what was going
on. In the end, the response from the rioters was
exactly like the Palestinians in Israel....<br><br>They
would throw rocks, stones, bottles, potted-plants and
anything else they could lift at you, until you were
knocked senseless. Then they would move in and beat you.
And in one case death. (Yankel Rosenbaum a student
from australia)<br><br>In Israel the children would
throw rocks. In NYC the children would light bottle
rockets and aim them towards other (race)
children.<br><br>The experiences were educational in that, best not to
be there. There is NO defense in those scenarios.
Unless you carry an Uzi with mutliple magazines and the
RIGHT and WILLPOWER to use them.<br><br>That is where
those rules I said come from.<br><br>The terrorist
tactics.<br>Strike when nobody knows<br>Strike from a safe place,
preferrably behind some<br>innocents.<br>Strike from multiple
simultaneous locations.<br><br>They are always willing to
inflict more damage that we are. That is why they
win.<br><br>I won't get into politics. but those lessons are
valid everywhere, when dealing in "PUBLIC" areas as a
group.<br><br>Agreed, you cant compare the scenarios.<br><br>Wartime
army vs. Hostile population<br><br>and <br><br>Police
vs. Local Group of Protestors<br><br>I've got to stop
babbling. Especially, as my days of glory are over. I'm 47
years old and I'm now all broken up. I have 2 herniated
disks in my neck, 2 in my lower back. I have
micro-fractures in both my knees and bi-lateral shoulder
laxity.<br>And I'm not ready for surgery yet.<br><br>Thanks for
listening.<br>Zerok<br>SWDKF




Thu May 10, 2001 4:14 pm

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That's very interesting, Zerok. I would like to know more about these wars and riots you have experienced. Where did they take place?<br><br>I notice you study...
afrodisiauk
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May 10, 2001
10:56 am

It would be a long answer...but in (not so) short.<br><br>I studied Tracy Kempo in the early '70s in Massachusetts and White Dragon Pai Lum with Pai-Yili (Tom ...
kungfuju2
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May 10, 2001
4:14 pm

Look Up Daniel Pai on Yahoo.... whom I only met once... )and in those days I was in awe of any one with the title Master)... and you'll find alot of stuff on ...
kungfuju2
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May 10, 2001
4:51 pm

Interesting and strongly stated opinions Zerok. Although I disagree with many of your opinions it is refreshing to see they are born of personal experience. A ...
redhandsman
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May 11, 2001
12:55 am

I appreciate your cadnor and you are correct. His teacher did not prepare him fully on the "mental preparednes" issues.<br><br>Sometimes my mind thinks faster ...
kungfuju2
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May 11, 2001
1:24 pm

Zerok***<br><br>His lack of what you term mental preparedness is only part of the problem. It goes much deeper than that. He never learned what is truly meant...
redhandsman
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May 11, 2001
5:06 pm

Thanks for all your non-political posts. When you have some more spare time, keep the club going.<br><br>Have a nice day....
nazt_jack2
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May 12, 2001
12:32 am

Of course, much of what is being pointed out as defective comes from only one perspective regarding the martial arts. My personal (one) take on it is for...
redhandsman
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May 12, 2001
5:09 pm

Which one's better, karate or mantis?...
kanuaki
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May 14, 2001
1:41 am

You are truly a man of experience and it is a breath of fresh air on this club as the comments are actually geared towards the topic and not much b.s..... I ...
kungfuju2
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May 14, 2001
1:59 pm

Depends on your definition of best. Only the individual can properly establish the parameters of what is best. Such things quickly degenerate into verbal ...
redhandsman
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May 14, 2001
2:08 pm

I agree again...<br><br>A. The false confidence that these schools instill is mind boggling. I went recently to a Mas Oyama tournament in CT. and a Tiger ...
kungfuju2
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May 14, 2001
2:18 pm

One thing I was embedded with is that each "body" is different and peoples coordination is different as well. For example... some great basketball players can...
kungfuju2
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May 14, 2001
2:43 pm

I remember I-Choi's people from the European continent (might have been Scandinavian’s now that I think about it) visiting us in the early 1970s. Tough...
redhandsman
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May 15, 2001
12:24 am

There is an invisible economic war going on between large corporations with media backing and domestic political servitude against the people of the world. To...
eurorealist
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May 15, 2001
12:32 am

This sounds like "protectionist" politics to me. I am in favor of globalism. Isn't this just the same stuff we hear against the WTO? What would you have us...
hsu_yin
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May 15, 2001
1:13 am

back to this again?<br><br>Violence begets violence. PERIOD.<br><br>If you can gather enough people, signatures etc, you can start an organization. Then raise ...
kungfuju2
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May 15, 2001
3:22 pm

Good stuff on the working with young people Zerok.<br><br>I'm in the process of putting something together along the same lines. Haven't decided whether to opt...
redhandsman
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May 15, 2001
11:09 pm

In my experience, there is one program that works wonders. We have a place called "Our Place". It is a place where these troubled teens can come and hang out...
kungfuju2
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May 16, 2001
1:12 pm

Good stuff Zerok. I have a friend you might want to contact. His program has been successfully operating for over 25 years. Right now, youth programs are ...
redhandsman
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May 17, 2001
12:36 am

Thank you Red.... you can send me the contact info privately if you wish. I would love to get any and all input. Our group has been around for a mear 4 1/2...
kungfuju2
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May 17, 2001
12:44 pm

if you've never been a police officer don't start running us down ,the majority of police don't want to be in a physical confrontation let alone use excessive ...
shotmanuk
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May 18, 2001
6:48 pm

Your views might very well be reflective of the law enforcement officials in your country. However, In NYC, USA it was the accepted common practice of the...
redhandsman
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May 19, 2001
12:16 am

Coming up to the British election of June 7th one can see the importance of training your mind when the resposibility of the nation is at your fingertips. Our...
anarchodog
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May 20, 2001
3:39 am

Anarchodog: Is this not why we learn martial arts, to train our minds . . .<br><br>If one is to acquire real skill then the totality of the person must be...
redhandsman
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May 20, 2001
5:34 pm

Actually, there is a "The Truth" which is not dependant on view or subjectivity and which is always true. It is independant of religious dogma and irrefutable....
kanuaki
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May 20, 2001
10:03 pm

If everything is impermanent then that necessitates that impermanency is also impermanent which refutes any absolute truth of impermanence. Its yer basic...
hsu_yin
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May 20, 2001
11:12 pm

Nope, your allegedly universal truth is also nothing less than personally held and subject to debate. Those who subscribe to Solopcism would argue you have no...
redhandsman
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May 20, 2001
11:45 pm

Well stated Hsu Yin although I would substitute <br>"Not appropriate for a martial art forum" for the word paradox. Perhaps something more suitable for coffee...
redhandsman
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May 20, 2001
11:49 pm

I completely agree. I signed on here to learn about the chinese arts. I am a hapkido black belt, but I think every art has something to offer. And its nice to...
hsu_yin
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May 21, 2001
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