Hello Lito thanks for your input.

I'd like to say that, as we are all involved in a martial art way, an
artist must not only be aware of the rule of every game but must
follow it accordingly, for a rule is a rule. An international rule
with regards to matching should always be based on weight and not on
age and/or for in any consideration. But to clarify my default
commentary on the age inconsideration is…… I am not referring to rule
itself but on the handler/promoter themselves.

As a general rule, age has got nothing to do with matching. But again
as a handler/promoter, age has got something do with matching,
particularly on how young my fighter is, against his experienced
opponent. What would you expect to a very young fighter who
knows/have nothing, other than aggressively fight, against his old
and experienced fighter with the same weight as his? It is not to
denigrate the ability of our fighters, I know they are all real
fighters, it's just all about unmatched match. (In fairness to Bon I
heard the rest of the fights after 4th fight are well. Sorry Bon,
but I am referring only to the first 3 fights which is tremendously
poor, I regret I missed the rest of the fights).

UFC ruling/matching/refereeing is not practically proportionate
compare to yaw yan ruling/refereeing (especially the one I witnessed
that night). UFC fighters were all well trained physically, mentally,
strategically and experientially outside, before they got matched
inside octagon. Meaning to say, age is not that really big deal
inside octagon. And besides we all observes how John McCarthy rule
out the game.

Again, my sentiment is not for anything else other than the concern
to all fighters. My mind set doesn't collaborate with such unfair
ruling and adapted ideas inside the ring, maybe because I belong to a
non-competitive martial art (where we practice to be good/fair to our
enemies how evil their works are), before I practice yaw yan. And
maybe it requires month's nay years of adjustment before I accept
such mind setting, but my current consciousness are really yelling in
protest to such unfair ruling.

In yaw yan flyer you'll read a statement such as " a yaw yan fighter
utilizes the strength of his opponent against him through leading
techniques. Yaw yan master nap Fernandez called it non resistant.
Martial art meaning no blocking is involved at all, simply
redirecting your opponents energy in your favor". (I haven't seen
anyone tried to practice that style inside the ring to be honest with
you). Such statement is the reason why myself got fascinated to this
art because that word is the very foundation of my concurrent martial
art so I presumably think that I can easily fuse it to make it whole.
So far I can't still convince myself and a bit reluctant to the
authenticity of this claim, for it is somewhat vague based on my
critical thinking and observation. So far, I'm not sure yet… if my
understanding to the words they outlined is the same as the intended
meaning these words are wanted to convey with. Or maybe there is some
subjectivity behind that message. I don't know so far. As a beginner,
I am still trying to figure out the authenticity of this claim, which
in my first encounter is really disappointing and with a bit of
absurdity from its claim. But I am still hoping that eventually will
find the true spirit of this martial art that will convince myself
that this is a good MA, after all.

This discussion seems go deeper and must be stopped now, because
maybe some readers here got offended with my comment which in my part
is not actually personal since I am yaw yan-ist too, but this is
merely for the purpose of awakening each and every yaw yan brothers
to be fair with everyone and every rule for it is a golden rule
that "to be fair with other, other will be fair to us in return".
What satisfaction will we gain if we win in a fight thru fraud or
unfair judgment? Let's leave that messy thing to the politician. So
again, be fair not only with our fellow yaw yan-ist brothers but also
to our competitor and competitor's brothers and handlers. Observe
enough what the proper rules or regulations inside the ring dictates.

Lastly, I would greatly appreciate to share my views in this site and
at the same time ask for an apology for occupying a large amount of
space of this windows due to my long post. I know some of our fellow
chatters here got negatively misinterpreted what I wrote but I
believe some got positively interpreted it instead. Just one thing I
know that the subject matter we have discussing now may somewhat be
significantly important worthy to be contemplated by fighters,
handlers, promoters, referee or anyone who are involved in this art
at so that hindi tayo pamarisan ng maling gawa bagkus ay pamarisan
bilang isang professional martial art/artist na di kayang tapatan ng
salapi o tropheo. I myself too as beginner yaw yan enthusiast has
learned a lot from this short conversation with Bon and Angelo and
this one could lead me to pattern my journey to the last part of my
yaw yan training.

Best to all

henkell






--- In yawyanphilippinemartialart@yahoogroups.com, angelo pacio
<angelpac22@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Bon and Henkell,
>
> Hi guys, I am Lito (people here in the US call me
> Angelo) Pacio. I live here in Los Angeles, CA. and I
> am a Kickboxing instructor. I was a former old-timer
> Yaw-Yan fighter who trained under Salladin of Yaw-Yan
> Pasay years ago when I was still in the Philippines.
> Here in the States, I incorporated Brazilian Jiujitsu,
> Jeet Kun Do and MMA streetfighting in my training
> repertoire. Although my arsenal has a little bit
> deviated from Yaw-Yan, I would say the lessons that I
> impart to my students are still 80% based on Yaw Yan
> principles. I guess once you're a Yaw Yan, you'll
> always be a Yaw Yan....forever. I was reading through
> your exchange of opinions from both of you guys, and
> although I am 10,000 miles away and didn't actually
> watch the fight that raised up all these issues, I can
> almost envision what really happened over there during
> that fateful fight. And because of this, I want to
> share my views, that is, if you guys don't mind.
> First of all, both of you are correct in the sense
> that Bon was speaking from a fighter's side while
> Henkell was speaking from the side of a concerned
> spectator. Both sides can have opposing angular
> views, but yet there's no doubt both sides can agree
> on one major issue: the safety of the fighter. Now
> let me tackle two issues. First, the officiating.
> Let me point out that it is an international rule,
> wether here in the US or anywhere in the world, be it
> boxing, UFC, grappling or any type of full contact
> sports, be it inside the ring or inside the octagon,
> that the referee is the NUMBER ONE OFFICIAL. He has
> the final say. He is the ultimate decision maker. The
> 3 judges outside the ring have only one responsibility
> - that is, to score the fight. Their only purpose is
> to give scoring so that if the fight went to the
> distance without any TKO's, then their scoring will
> decide who will be the eventual winner by either a
> unanimous or split decision, based on the scores.
> They DO NOT tell the referee wether the fight will be
> stopped on not. In the same way, the referee MUST NOT
> rely on the judges wether the fight should be stopped
> or not. Inside the ring, the referee is the "supreme
> commander", he can even over-ride the decisions of
> the fighter or the handlers at the corner. If the
> referee decides to stop the fight, even if the fighter
> says he doesn't want to stop, or let's say the
> handlers will complain that their fighter is still
> strong and fit enough to fight, the decision of the
> referee will take precedence and will be the final
> decision. Anybody can give a damn shit to the ref
> wether his decision is fair or not, but that has been
> always the rule - the referee has the final word,
> period. The way Henkell (as a spectator) described
> that fateful fight, specially when the referee relied
> on the judges' opinions of wether that fight should be
> stopped or not, then I would conclude that such fight
> was "poorly officiated". Obviously you have a referee
> who cannot courageously make a wise judgement. It's
> either he is inexperienced, or he is scared of the
> handlers, or got intimidated by the huge crowd, or
> worse, he is not well-briefed and properly trained of
> his responsibilities as a referee. And that is why the
> selection of a well-trained and well-experienced
> referee is a very important factor when staging a
> fight like this. The referee can "make or unmake" a
> fight. In his hands lies the fate of both fighters,
> their health and safety, their career, and even their
> lives. Choosing the right referee is not as easy as
> going to the streets and picking a guy in the corner
> and ask him to be a referee in a kickboxing match and
> he's gonna get paid. And even if you have chosen a
> "professional" referee, there should be a fight
> committee who should check the background of the
> would-be referee: how many fights has he officiated in
> the past? Is he well trained? What kind of training he
> received to be a competent ref? ...etc. All these
> should have been accounted before organizing a fight
> like this. A good referee should be able to
> distinguish what we call "red flags" which are
> determining factors of wether to stop a fight or not.
> What are these red flags? 1) If a cut, bruise or wound
> starts to open up and shows blood oozing out, 2) If
> the fighter appears to be helpless - continuing to
> absorb hits without the ability to hit back, 3) If the
> fighter shows signs of helplessness, like limping,
> funny look in his eyes (signs of blurred vision), or
> any body movements that will indicate he is in extreme
> pain - ALL these red flags empower the referee to stop
> the fight, regardless wether the fighter nor the
> handlers will complain. Again, I didn't watch the
> actual fight and just relied on what I have read on
> your exchange of emails. My final analysis is...
> maybe on the next match, there should be a more
> thourough system of how your game organizers will pick
> a referee. In any fight organization, choosing the
> fighters is the easiest part. Choosing the right
> referee is the hardest part. Lastly, on the second
> issue regarding matching by age, it is an
> international rule that matching should always be
> based on WEIGHT. This is based on an accepted
> scientific and genetic principle that the more body
> mass you have, the more caloric energy you possess.
> Meaning to say, the heavier you are, the stronger you
> are. That is why the sporting world, pro and non-pro,
> has made the weight as a means of measurement when it
> comes to matching. Age has got nothing to do with it.
> If you are old and weak, then you shouldn't be
> fighting at all - plain and simple. A fighter should
> know when it's time to hang up his gloves. If you are
> old and will still "insist" on fighting, then you have
> the freedom to take the risk, because you are fully
> aware that you will have to face someone on the same
> weight category, REGARDLESS of the age. Although I
> don't discount the fact that there have been instances
> when older guys beat the younger guys. If you
> religiously watch the UFC, you have seen these oldies
> beat younger wanna-be's. Good examples are UFC
> legends Don Frye and Randy Couture. These are "aging"
> champs but the whole world watched in awe as they have
> beaten guys almost twice younger than them. So you
> see, age should never be a factor when it comes to
> matching, as the "old individual" has the freedom of
> choice wether to retire or not. Yaw Yan organizers
> did the right thing by using weight and not age as a
> basis for matching, as it is in righteous compliance
> with international rules. I hope gentlemen that these
> comments of mine will put to rest the gray areas of
> this issue. Thanks, best regards, and long live Yaw
> Yan.
>
> Respectfully,
>
> Lito "Angelo" Pacio
> Yaw-Yan & MMA Instructor
> Torrance, Los Angeles County, CA.
>
>
>
>
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