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The latest, highest performance hang glider, now being
developed in Germany,  has the pilot laying down INSIDE the wing!
(the ATOS Cage) The performance is rumored to be the best ever.

I just recently rediscovered this link to a rigid wing skate sailing page
where the pilot is completely enclosed in the (rigid) wing.
 The owner claims he raced a few DN's and even did 2 laps
with a large skeeter and easily beat them all !
http://home.swipnet.se/ansar/usa.html  (also see the linked pages)

The question arises as to why this configuration is so successful.
It has NO flap and obviously has a very low aspect ratio.
I would guess that the extremely low drag is the answer.

Could we find a way to build some kind of minimum "boat" under
such a wing?
And if we could add a flap, would it work even better?
   I would be interested in Tom Speer's (and others) comments
on this radically different concept.

Deane



Wed Dec 12, 2007 6:25 pm

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The latest, highest performance hang glider, now being developed in Germany, has the pilot laying down INSIDE the wing! (the ATOS Cage) The performance is...
Williams, Deane G ...
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Dec 12, 2007
6:25 pm

This is where its at! http://groups.msn.com/LandsailerandIceboatdesignandconstruction/ancientwingedlandyachts.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=208 I imagine...
johhnysrocket2003
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Dec 12, 2007
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Wow, that thing looks like a bee hive. I wonder how it worked. I see you posted that originally. Where did you find that and did it have a name? Deane ... ...
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Dec 12, 2007
7:55 pm

John, In thinking about such a design, wing rotation would be difficult. How sailable would your winged boats be if the wing was not able to rotate (fixed...
Williams, Deane G ...
chga_1999
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Dec 12, 2007
8:13 pm

The wing has to respond quickly to gusts just like a regular sail . I n my case its much easier and quicker to sheet out the main win rather than adjusting the...
smith smith
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Dec 12, 2007
8:27 pm

In that case I would guess the skate sailor has to respond quickly by leaning into the wind since he can't "sheet out". I wonder if our rigid wing was fitted...
Williams, Deane G ...
chga_1999
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Dec 12, 2007
8:37 pm

I think there was afew madr . I think one of them was call Finch vector or something like that. Its mentioned in an old iceboating book. ... From: "Williams,...
smith smith
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Dec 12, 2007
8:29 pm

I would think the wing could rotate while you were inside it. In my case I would end up with a short fat wing to fit my class size. But it would be interesting...
smith smith
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Dec 12, 2007
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... case I would end up with a short fat wing to fit my class size. But it would be interesting to try. John I don't see how it could rotate much with you...
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Dec 12, 2007
8:49 pm

... Hello to the group. My name is Byron Tetzlaff and I've been enjoying the chance to learn from you gents. I'm an iceboater and follow some of the wing...
Byron
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Dec 14, 2007
1:33 am

Hi Byron, A local guy named George Stulgaitis built one of these a few years ago & it worked pretty well, but I doubt it would ever come close to keeping up...
Bill Korsgard
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Dec 15, 2007
5:59 pm

... Hi Bill!! Yes, I'd like to see what he built. ... Your K1 looks good. You'll have to let me know the next time it's sailing. I'd like to see it in person. ...
Byron
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Dec 15, 2007
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... Anders Ansar has been to the Landsailing America's Cup several times. He's well known to many landsailors. ... Yes, it has low parasite drag. However, it...
Tom Speer
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Dec 15, 2007
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