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Re: Poor attendence in WW racing

Friends, this is something I have been noodling on for 10 years. And
at this point, I have some pretty reasons, and some pretty specific
possible remedies.

Please give me a day or two to tune my thoughts, I'll let post a
hopefully-well-thought-out response here.

Until then, I appreciate your patience.


Seth Eisner
Chairman, US Wildwater Committee



--- In wildwater@yahoogroups.com, "lakesurfer52" <dmurn@...> wrote:
>
> Hi
> Why is WW racing fading? Is there a reason(s) we can not draw new
> paddlers to enjoy this sport?
> I have been promoting the sport for 25 years. hosting many regional
> races and the Nationals.
> I have my opinions! Would like to hear from our group why the sport
> does not move forward.
> Dan
>
Wed Nov 5, 2008 3:50 pm

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Hi Why is WW racing fading? Is there a reason(s) we can not draw new paddlers to enjoy this sport? I have been promoting the sport for 25 years. hosting many... 		lakesurfer52
Offline Send Email 		Nov 5, 2008
3:14 pm

Conflicts. The Nantahala South Eastern race was held the same day as the World Beer Festival. I know that's no excuse and all... Paul...
Paul Scrutton
paul_scrutton
Online Now Send Email 		Nov 5, 2008
3:42 pm

Friends, this is something I have been noodling on for 10 years. And at this point, I have some pretty reasons, and some pretty specific possible remedies. ...
Seth Eisner
fezhund
Offline Send Email 		Nov 5, 2008
3:50 pm

The response I promised yesterday... Though it was almost 25 years ago, I rather vividly recall my second US Team Trials. It was 1984, Peshtigo River, about...
Seth Eisner
fezhund
Offline Send Email 		Nov 6, 2008
7:05 pm

Seth Great reply!!!!! you seemed to ahve it pegged. Now What? Are you being named to the white house staff!!!! Do you remeber was there any amenities at the...
lakesurfer52
Offline Send Email 		Nov 6, 2008
9:33 pm

First I apologize for being part of the problem. My wife, Diane, has been dealing with cancer and I have been reluctant to travel when I don't have to. I did...
Bob Horlacher
bobhorlacher
Offline Send Email 		Nov 7, 2008
2:15 am

So what are your opinions Dan? A complete lack of local domestics races that can build participation seems to be an issue. Chris ...
Chris N
mhc_antigen
Offline Send Email 		Nov 5, 2008
7:53 pm

What about a viable equipment pool? The Speeder races that Pyranah has been putting on, have been super popular, and reduce the barrier to entry as the boats...
Paul Scrutton
paul_scrutton
Online Now Send Email 		Nov 5, 2008
9:10 pm

Hi Everyone, (Landis Arnold Here) Wildwater Racing has some of the following problems in my opinion. These absolutely need to be weighed against the wonderful...
Landis Arnold
landis.arnold
Offline Send Email 		Nov 7, 2008
12:34 am

Landis Your right on about equipment! The older boats Match 2, Lieser King and such were easy to roll and much more versitile. Running rivers in boats like...
lakesurfer52
Offline Send Email 		Nov 7, 2008
2:39 pm

Landis- I appreciated your take on the boat issue.  I agree that fear of boat damage is a big issue, especially when you are starting out (or at least it...
Edward Gordon
edgww
Offline Send Email 		Nov 7, 2008
3:48 pm

Ed, If time were plentiful I would be popping some '89 Savages and as well as the even more comfortable '87 Isere boats out of the molds I have here. I would...
Landis Arnold
landis.arnold
Offline Send Email 		Nov 7, 2008
8:12 pm

Update on the '79 Model Name Hi Landis, I know that Jean Pierre Burny was world champion in 79. Was it his boat (that has shown up somewhere in Canada)? If...
Landis Arnold
landis.arnold
Offline Send Email 		Nov 7, 2008
8:14 pm

We enjoyed significant growth in USA Wildwater from 2004-07. The bullet point version of what we did right was: - Really promote our sport and our events...
jpinyerd@...
jspinyerd
Offline Send Email 		Nov 5, 2008
9:06 pm

"We enjoyed significant growth in USA Wildwater from 2004-07" John, I don't mean to be an ass, but where do these numbers come from? If you examine numbers of...
Chris N
mhc_antigen
Offline Send Email 		Nov 5, 2008
9:17 pm

Certainly, like Slalom, we are facing many challenges.The point is that we can make progress. If we work hard and work together we can get our sport growing...
jpinyerd@...
jspinyerd
Offline Send Email 		Nov 6, 2008
2:21 pm

This is not jsut a problem in the US. In the UK we are struggling with numbers. The high cost of fuel is certainly not helping. Wild Water racing is a very...
Orange
orangewwr
Offline Send Email 		Nov 6, 2008
2:42 pm

Everyone, yes everyone, that is thinking about the sport's future needs to carefully read this: ...
Mike Baker
mikec2c1
Offline Send Email 		Nov 7, 2008
6:55 am

In the past I've been against almost all design restrictions, except weight. But perhaps the time has come for desperate measures ... I do hope that when they...
Jamie McEwan
jpmcewan
Offline Send Email 		Nov 7, 2008
1:43 pm

Yep, the Delphin 79 would be the first design I ever broke - snapped the nose off at the Serpent's Tail in Llangollen. ________________________________ From:...
Chris N
mhc_antigen
Offline Send Email 		Nov 7, 2008
8:29 pm

Good points.... However, I would say that being "Olympic" is not helping slalom or sprint to grow. Their growth (or lack thereof) comes at the grass roots (and...
jpinyerd@...
jspinyerd
Offline Send Email 		Nov 9, 2008
5:54 pm

At a grass roots level what does it take to get someone to try and also race a wildwater boat? One of the best run races in the new england area is the Scantic...
Mark Wendolowski
lmsc80
Offline Send Email 		Nov 9, 2008
10:39 pm

Mark makes a great point (and a position that I have long since held) that every step up in a class in river difficulty has the effect of limiting the number...
jpinyerd@...
jspinyerd
Offline Send Email 		Nov 9, 2008
11:19 pm

Are these races advertised on wildwater forums? There aren't many wildwater racers, but even fewer wildwater races. If folks knew about them maybe some would...
Chris N
mhc_antigen
Offline Send Email 		Nov 9, 2008
11:33 pm

I found a series of races held in the northeast at: http://www.neckra.org/RaceSchd.htm Unfortunately, I found them this fall after the races were over when I...
Chuck Brabec
cebrabec
Offline Send Email 		Nov 9, 2008
11:45 pm

I didn't mean in any way to put the emphasis on you to chase these things up Chuck (he, he, I just said upchuck!). Notably, about the only race in the whole...
Chris N
mhc_antigen
Offline Send Email 		Nov 10, 2008
12:13 am
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