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#10599 From: Ken Winland <winlandracing@...>
Date: Mon Nov 16, 2009 1:46 am
Subject: Re: Shasta Enduro 		winlandracing66
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19 or 20 cars, track was mucked up for the 4cyl enduro which had about 12 cars, maybe 5 finished, then they rewatered the track and started us in the normal directon.  All cars played it cool for the first 10-15 laps then the track started to come in, became a real good door to door battle with most cars on or near the lead lap at the mid way point.  That is when my focus was elsewhere and I didnt follow the race too close.  The 14 of Denman won after having early race troubles on the front straitaway.  There were a couple of brand new cars, couple of what appeared to be purestocks, the old limo that was banned from Altamont about 5 years ago, pretty cool watching them navigate that car around the track, a 14 year old kid made his racing debut and although a bit slow, he navigated the track skillfully.
 
The track was real racey and the promoters seemed appreciative of the support from the racers in hopes of building the race up in future years.  Unfortunately I (WCE) will not be a part of their future success!
 

--- On Sun, 11/15/09, Steven Blakesley <steven_blakesley@...> wrote:

From: Steven Blakesley <steven_blakesley@...>
Subject: Re: [westcoastenduroracing] Shasta Enduro
To: westcoastenduroracing@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, November 15, 2009, 5:15 PM

 

Hey Ken you cant give us a report without an idea on car count! I know the pre-reg was kinda low, what did they end up with?
--- On Sun, 11/15/09, Ken Winland <winlandracing@ sbcglobal. net> wrote:

From: Ken Winland <winlandracing@ sbcglobal. net>
Subject: Re: [westcoastendurorac ing] Shasta Enduro
To: westcoastenduroraci ng@yahoogroups. com
Date: Sunday, November 15, 2009, 4:57 PM

 
yeah, me either!  To make matters worse I had just plowed into #43 Viscusi totaling his car and taking out my front end...I was running with the big dogs trying to show em how its done when they stopped the race to change directions.  I noticed steam from under the hood so as we lined up under red, I stopped then slowly proceeded off the track to find out why the motor was steaming, 3 laps later #43 spun into the exit wall blocking the high line of turn 1.....BOOOOOMMMMMM!     Under red, they came up to my car and told me I was DQ'd for leaving the track under red.  I argued with 3 different officials, they told me to get off the track.....
 
Trip to Victorville 819 miles (260 in gas including car)
Time of trip point a to point b 44 hours
hotels 100
race entrance and pits 130
running with the big dogs priceless!
 
getting DQ'd???????? ????????? ?


--- On Sun, 11/15/09, Josh Roberts <joshiebgood@ yahoo.com> wrote:

From: Josh Roberts <joshiebgood@ yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [westcoastendurorac ing] Shasta Enduro
To: westcoastenduroraci ng@yahoogroups. com
Date: Sunday, November 15, 2009, 11:58 AM

 
dq'ed for leaving the track on a red? Never heard that one before!

--- On Sun, 11/15/09, winlandracing@ sbcglobal. net <winlandracing@ sbcglobal. net> wrote:

From: winlandracing@ sbcglobal. net <winlandracing@ sbcglobal. net>
Subject: Re: [westcoastendurorac ing] Shasta Enduro
To: westcoastenduroraci ng@yahoogroups. com
Date: Sunday, November 15, 2009, 9:36 AM

 
Made the trip to Victorville. Top 3. Got dq.d for leaving track on red. Bs call. 14 wins
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
From: "David" <dkingracing@ yahoo.com>
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 2009 16:05:40 -0000
To: <westcoastenduroraci ng@yahoogroups. com>
Subject: [westcoastendurorac ing] Shasta Enduro

 
We made the trip up to Shasta Speedway I think 24 cars raced the v8 enduro Winner #3 Nick King 3rd #96 Jay Cookson 7th #14 Timber Cookson.There was a mix of cars as most were the Shasta bombers it was open to most racecars and 1 truck.Good racing I hope more Westcoast enduro Cars show up next year Dave King




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#10598 From: Steven Blakesley <steven_blakesley@...>
Date: Mon Nov 16, 2009 1:15 am
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Hey Ken you cant give us a report without an idea on car count! I know the pre-reg was kinda low, what did they end up with?
--- On Sun, 11/15/09, Ken Winland <winlandracing@...> wrote:

From: Ken Winland <winlandracing@...>
Subject: Re: [westcoastenduroracing] Shasta Enduro
To: westcoastenduroracing@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, November 15, 2009, 4:57 PM

 

yeah, me either!  To make matters worse I had just plowed into #43 Viscusi totaling his car and taking out my front end...I was running with the big dogs trying to show em how its done when they stopped the race to change directions.  I noticed steam from under the hood so as we lined up under red, I stopped then slowly proceeded off the track to find out why the motor was steaming, 3 laps later #43 spun into the exit wall blocking the high line of turn 1.....BOOOOOMMMMMM!     Under red, they came up to my car and told me I was DQ'd for leaving the track under red.  I argued with 3 different officials, they told me to get off the track.....
 
Trip to Victorville 819 miles (260 in gas including car)
Time of trip point a to point b 44 hours
hotels 100
race entrance and pits 130
running with the big dogs priceless!
 
getting DQ'd???????? ????????? ?


--- On Sun, 11/15/09, Josh Roberts <joshiebgood@ yahoo.com> wrote:

From: Josh Roberts <joshiebgood@ yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [westcoastendurorac ing] Shasta Enduro
To: westcoastenduroraci ng@yahoogroups. com
Date: Sunday, November 15, 2009, 11:58 AM

 
dq'ed for leaving the track on a red? Never heard that one before!

--- On Sun, 11/15/09, winlandracing@ sbcglobal. net <winlandracing@ sbcglobal. net> wrote:

From: winlandracing@ sbcglobal. net <winlandracing@ sbcglobal. net>
Subject: Re: [westcoastendurorac ing] Shasta Enduro
To: westcoastenduroraci ng@yahoogroups. com
Date: Sunday, November 15, 2009, 9:36 AM

 
Made the trip to Victorville. Top 3. Got dq.d for leaving track on red. Bs call. 14 wins
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
From: "David" <dkingracing@ yahoo.com>
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 2009 16:05:40 -0000
To: <westcoastenduroraci ng@yahoogroups. com>
Subject: [westcoastendurorac ing] Shasta Enduro

 
We made the trip up to Shasta Speedway I think 24 cars raced the v8 enduro Winner #3 Nick King 3rd #96 Jay Cookson 7th #14 Timber Cookson.There was a mix of cars as most were the Shasta bombers it was open to most racecars and 1 truck.Good racing I hope more Westcoast enduro Cars show up next year Dave King




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#10597 From: Ken Winland <winlandracing@...>
Date: Mon Nov 16, 2009 12:57 am
Subject: Re: Shasta Enduro 		winlandracing66
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yeah, me either!  To make matters worse I had just plowed into #43 Viscusi totaling his car and taking out my front end...I was running with the big dogs trying to show em how its done when they stopped the race to change directions.  I noticed steam from under the hood so as we lined up under red, I stopped then slowly proceeded off the track to find out why the motor was steaming, 3 laps later #43 spun into the exit wall blocking the high line of turn 1.....BOOOOOMMMMMM!     Under red, they came up to my car and told me I was DQ'd for leaving the track under red.  I argued with 3 different officials, they told me to get off the track.....
 
Trip to Victorville 819 miles (260 in gas including car)
Time of trip point a to point b 44 hours
hotels 100
race entrance and pits 130
running with the big dogs priceless!
 
getting DQ'd??????????????????


--- On Sun, 11/15/09, Josh Roberts <joshiebgood@...> wrote:

From: Josh Roberts <joshiebgood@...>
Subject: Re: [westcoastenduroracing] Shasta Enduro
To: westcoastenduroracing@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, November 15, 2009, 11:58 AM

 
dq'ed for leaving the track on a red? Never heard that one before!

--- On Sun, 11/15/09, winlandracing@ sbcglobal. net <winlandracing@ sbcglobal. net> wrote:

From: winlandracing@ sbcglobal. net <winlandracing@ sbcglobal. net>
Subject: Re: [westcoastendurorac ing] Shasta Enduro
To: westcoastenduroraci ng@yahoogroups. com
Date: Sunday, November 15, 2009, 9:36 AM

 
Made the trip to Victorville. Top 3. Got dq.d for leaving track on red. Bs call. 14 wins
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
From: "David" <dkingracing@ yahoo.com>
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 2009 16:05:40 -0000
To: <westcoastenduroraci ng@yahoogroups. com>
Subject: [westcoastendurorac ing] Shasta Enduro

 
We made the trip up to Shasta Speedway I think 24 cars raced the v8 enduro Winner #3 Nick King 3rd #96 Jay Cookson 7th #14 Timber Cookson.There was a mix of cars as most were the Shasta bombers it was open to most racecars and 1 truck.Good racing I hope more Westcoast enduro Cars show up next year Dave King



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#10596 From: Josh Roberts <joshiebgood@...>
Date: Sun Nov 15, 2009 7:58 pm
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dq'ed for leaving the track on a red? Never heard that one before!

--- On Sun, 11/15/09, winlandracing@... <winlandracing@...> wrote:

From: winlandracing@... <winlandracing@...>
Subject: Re: [westcoastenduroracing] Shasta Enduro
To: westcoastenduroracing@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, November 15, 2009, 9:36 AM

 
Made the trip to Victorville. Top 3. Got dq.d for leaving track on red. Bs call. 14 wins
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
From: "David" <dkingracing@ yahoo.com>
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 2009 16:05:40 -0000
To: <westcoastenduroraci ng@yahoogroups. com>
Subject: [westcoastendurorac ing] Shasta Enduro

 
We made the trip up to Shasta Speedway I think 24 cars raced the v8 enduro Winner #3 Nick King 3rd #96 Jay Cookson 7th #14 Timber Cookson.There was a mix of cars as most were the Shasta bombers it was open to most racecars and 1 truck.Good racing I hope more Westcoast enduro Cars show up next year Dave King



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#10595 From: Josh Roberts <joshiebgood@...>
Date: Sun Nov 15, 2009 7:57 pm
Subject: Re: Shasta Enduro 		joshiebgood
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Good job!!
 
Do you know if they are still going to try to have a race on Jan.2nd?

--- On Sun, 11/15/09, David <dkingracing@...> wrote:

From: David <dkingracing@...>
Subject: [westcoastenduroracing] Shasta Enduro
To: westcoastenduroracing@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, November 15, 2009, 8:05 AM

 
We made the trip up to Shasta Speedway I think 24 cars raced the v8 enduro Winner #3 Nick King 3rd #96 Jay Cookson 7th #14 Timber Cookson.There was a mix of cars as most were the Shasta bombers it was open to most racecars and 1 truck.Good racing I hope more Westcoast enduro Cars show up next year Dave King



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#10594 From: "endurowanabe" <endurowanabe@...>
Date: Sun Nov 15, 2009 6:16 pm
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anybody know when this meet is
i always hear about it the day of which
is to late for the early deals

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#10593 From: winlandracing@...
Date: Sun Nov 15, 2009 5:36 pm
Subject: Re: Shasta Enduro 		winlandracing66
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Made the trip to Victorville. Top 3. Got dq.d for leaving track on red. Bs call. 14 wins

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From: "David" <dkingracing@...>
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 2009 16:05:40 -0000
To: <westcoastenduroracing@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [westcoastenduroracing] Shasta Enduro

 

We made the trip up to Shasta Speedway I think 24 cars raced the v8 enduro Winner #3 Nick King 3rd #96 Jay Cookson 7th #14 Timber Cookson.There was a mix of cars as most were the Shasta bombers it was open to most racecars and 1 truck.Good racing I hope more Westcoast enduro Cars show up next year Dave King


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#10592 From: "David" <dkingracing@...>
Date: Sun Nov 15, 2009 4:05 pm
Subject: Shasta Enduro 		dkingracing
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We made the trip up to Shasta Speedway I think 24 cars raced the v8 enduro 
Winner #3 Nick King 3rd #96 Jay Cookson 7th #14 Timber Cookson.There was a mix
of cars as most were the Shasta bombers it was open to most racecars and 1
truck.Good racing I hope more Westcoast enduro Cars show up next year   Dave
King

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#10591 From: Jill Hardesty <jillybeanph@...>
Date: Thu Nov 12, 2009 3:38 pm
Subject: Re: chris #7 		jillybeanph
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Thanks Loren, We are going to see that car tonight or tomorrow. Hopefully, no frame damage.
Jill

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Sent: Thu, November 12, 2009 7:29:34 AM
Subject: [westcoastenduroracing] chris #7

 

hey i saw a 84 monte on craigslist 4 700 dollars ...looks  straight ...you can probally talk them down on price ...its under cars  and trucks and monte carlo...loren 13x



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#10590 From: Race Car <enduro13@...>
Date: Thu Nov 12, 2009 3:29 pm
Subject: chris #7 		enduro13
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hey i saw a 84 monte on craigslist 4 700 dollars ...looks  straight ...you can probally talk them down on price ...its under cars  and trucks and monte carlo...loren 13x


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#10589 From: Josh Roberts <joshiebgood@...>
Date: Wed Nov 11, 2009 6:46 pm
Subject: Re: Orland Raceway 		joshiebgood
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Well maybe over the winter they will get the track fixed up better for next season.

--- On Wed, 11/11/09, Travis Holcombe <idriveabigtruck2@...> wrote:

From: Travis Holcombe <idriveabigtruck2@...>
Subject: [westcoastenduroracing] Orland Raceway
To: "westcoastenduroracing@yahoogroups.com" <westcoastenduroracing@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Wednesday, November 11, 2009, 9:47 AM

 
i took my push truck to orland raceway to help out with the last points race they had this year a few weeks ago and they had a true stock v8 class. there were two enduro cars racing in it already and i plan on racing my car there next season on saturday nights. the new improved track is better but it is still just dirt. either to wet or too dusty with mud holes.

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#10588 From: Travis Holcombe <idriveabigtruck2@...>
Date: Wed Nov 11, 2009 5:47 pm
Subject: Orland Raceway 		liability_on...
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i took my push truck to orland raceway to help out with the last points race
they had this year a few weeks ago and they had a true stock v8 class. there
were two enduro cars racing in it already and i plan on racing my car there next
season on saturday nights. the new improved track is better but it is still just
dirt. either to wet or too dusty with mud holes.

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#10587 From: Race Car <enduro13@...>
Date: Wed Nov 11, 2009 3:40 pm
Subject: Re: Orland Raceway 		enduro13
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hey we raced there once before they closed we would come if they had some races 4 us...loren 13x

-- On Tue, 11/10/09, Josh Roberts <joshiebgood@...> wrote:

From: Josh Roberts <joshiebgood@...>
Subject: Re: [westcoastenduroracing] Orland Raceway
To: westcoastenduroracing@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, November 10, 2009, 10:32 PM

 
sure, i know that they had enduro's in the past.

--- On Tue, 11/10/09, BULLDOZER <enduro95@yahoo. com> wrote:

From: BULLDOZER <enduro95@yahoo. com>
Subject: [westcoastendurorac ing] Orland Raceway
To: westcoastenduroraci ng@yahoogroups. com
Date: Tuesday, November 10, 2009, 6:58 PM

 
I was in Orland this weekend and heard mention that Orland Raceway will run a full schedule next year. I tried to get the new track number but was unsuccesful. Does anyone care about racing there before I go threw the steps of contacting them? I for one liked the little track! You can respond here or e-mail me.
Larry #95




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#10586 From: Nathan Harding <nathan@...>
Date: Wed Nov 11, 2009 7:04 am
Subject: RE: Re: Come on and vote guys 		nathanhardin...
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I’ve been watching enduro for at least 10 years and I’ve only driven in 5.  I basically sucked at driving but had a blast.  I agree with everyone who says that the top drivers are better drivers.  You know when you see a gigantic Lincoln keeping up with an almost-street-stock Camaro that there are some incredible skills out there.  The problem is that Roseville sucks lately for the fans because of one reason – car counts are too low to create any of the mayhem that enduro has always been about.  The track tried to create the mayhem artificially with the tires and k-rails but that didn’t seem to do anything but piss the drivers off.  So my thought is this: the initial inspection should be safety only – let any safe car race, period.  After the race, there is an unofficial winner, check the car out – if the vacuum is too low, DQ. Rear end locked – DQ, etc...  Now, move to the second car and do the same thing.  Keep moving down the positions until there is a real winner.  If you did this just a few times – none of those kickass drivers are going to show up with obvious violations.  They will probably still win though….but maybe it will be a little closer.

 

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Subject: [westcoastenduroracing] Re: Come on and vote guys

 

 

Sure Loren. We need to take away that bottom groove for sure though. Absolutely no k-rail though. I liked the hay bails. I thought it was a good idea. It really messed with a few cars without destroying them. I will let you know for sure about meetings.

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> hey mark ...i to like the rule the way they are but we need to push 4 tecking the top 5 at every race....i believe good clean driving staying out of trouble gets you in the top ten ...i have been in the top ten all year and all i do is stay out of trouble ...my car was tecked at roseville and passed ,,,,tires, radiator.and smooth driving ...wins races ...watch the videos look at the top 5 they are just good drivers...i say get roseville to put tires at the bottom of track and no k rails and lots of soap and let us go....=if you want someone to go with you to the track i would be happy to i live to mins away ...loren 13x
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#10585 From: Josh Roberts <joshiebgood@...>
Date: Wed Nov 11, 2009 6:32 am
Subject: Re: Orland Raceway 		joshiebgood
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sure, i know that they had enduro's in the past.

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From: BULLDOZER <enduro95@...>
Subject: [westcoastenduroracing] Orland Raceway
To: westcoastenduroracing@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, November 10, 2009, 6:58 PM

 
I was in Orland this weekend and heard mention that Orland Raceway will run a full schedule next year. I tried to get the new track number but was unsuccesful. Does anyone care about racing there before I go threw the steps of contacting them? I for one liked the little track! You can respond here or e-mail me.
Larry #95



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#10584 From: Marc Andrews <endurowanabe@...>
Date: Wed Nov 11, 2009 3:37 am
Subject: Orland 		endurowanabe
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i have never run there but any dirt track needs support frrom this group
orland is closer to 5 than chico saving about thirty minutes drive
put me on the list to attend some of the events they offer
 
 
RULES   thank you ken for the rules in place now
car count keeps us racing
if tech     tech the top 5   run what u brung if it is safe
roll bar  belts and no tank front ends       my two cents
what happend to altamont?
the last race at roseville was well presented


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#10583 From: "BULLDOZER" <enduro95@...>
Date: Wed Nov 11, 2009 2:58 am
Subject: Orland Raceway 		enduro95
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I was in Orland this weekend and heard mention that Orland Raceway will run a
full schedule next year. I tried to get the new track number but was
unsuccesful. Does anyone care about racing there before I go threw the steps of
contacting them? I for one liked the little track! You can respond here or
e-mail me.
Larry #95

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#10582 From: Adam Baggett <elvisabaggett@...>
Date: Wed Nov 11, 2009 2:40 am
Subject: Re: equal playing field 		elvisabaggett
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Thanks Ken,
 
     Those guy's were fast and I was in 4th by the 8th lap. It was really cool how they started us going clockwise and everybody was set-up to go the other direction. The yellow Impala of Tim Dahl was really fast but had a racer's nightmare of a weekend with busting a spindel on Sat. and smashing the car into the wall early in the race on Sun. The 21 car got DQ'd with low vacuum. One or two things were interesting about the end running and end of that race. While I was running behind the #3 car (going clockwise the first 1-8 laps) he was dumping gas onto the track everywhere on the track. He ignored the black for 4 to 5 laps. I feel that to be a major violation.Then he pulls into the infield for the red.(Tim Dalhs crash).I can see them trying to get him repaired. WE wait for way too long and all of a sudden they decide to turn us back around. My car was still mainly set up for the suprise direction of an enduro so I  started 10th and was now in 4th. It appaered that clockwise wasn't working the best for some guy's. Then it was do my best to keep 4th until I got hit and broke a LR tire. When I pulled into the infield I had a swarm of people on my tire and that my friends is what I call "The Sh*t." I was in and out of there. Thanks to all that helped me this weekend. Big thanks to Tony and Carrol for putting on a fantastic weekend. The people involved and and all the great racing made it one of the times of my life.
I'LL SEE YOU ALL IN THE COLD  ON NEW YEAR'S EVE!!!!!!! Thanks to the Lewis's, Fast Freddy Jr. & Sr. (thanks for not hitting my car with golf balls. I'm sure it was tempting)  Wayde & Lisa, and everyone else involved.
 
Adam Baggett
WCE 24x

From: Ken Winland <winlandracing@...>
To: westcoastenduroracing@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sun, November 8, 2009 8:04:56 PM
Subject: Re: [westcoastenduroracing] equal playing field

 

good run Adam!  Way to get the WCE shoutout during your interview. 
I like the excitement you provided in the front strait....
Time to take the windshield off and come out to Victorville next Saturday.... ..ROADTRIP!
 
21
22 Lewis
03 Knittel
 
24 took 5th or 6th

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From: Adam Baggett <elvisabaggett@ yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [westcoastendurorac ing] equal playing field
To: westcoastenduroraci ng@yahoogroups. com
Date: Wednesday, November 4, 2009, 12:54 PM

 
Hey all,
 Is anybody racing in the bomber race @ 99 this weekend??? 
WCE 24x
Adam Baggett

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To: westcoastenduroraci ng@yahoogroups. com
Sent: Wed, November 4, 2009 12:44:43 PM
Subject: Re: [westcoastendurorac ing] equal playing field

 
Mark-
I don't mind it BUT what keeps a dq'ed car from going to another track and getting away with it?

--- On Wed, 11/4/09, enduroracer77 <enduroracer77@ yahoo.com> wrote:

From: enduroracer77 <enduroracer77@ yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [westcoastendurorac ing] equal playing field
To: westcoastenduroraci ng@yahoogroups. com
Date: Wednesday, November 4, 2009, 12:37 PM

 
Larry, I like the idea of a claim but maybe just motor,or carb,or shocks. Not the car itself. This will not work bottom line because all your top running cars are against it,while all your middle of the pack cars are for it. If we stick to the WCE rules for roseville next year it comes down to teching. You know as well as i do if you teched to a t on the rules there wouldnt be many cars racing that night.Its hard because tracks are letting cars go through without tech because they want a good count, and on the other hand there are the guys who finish 5-10th every race who dont have a chance to win so now they are not happy. We need to decide as a group on what to do here. we need to eather open the rules up to pretty much everythings legal, or stick to what we got and follow them to a t. This way when you get a dq you cant cry about it. There have been plenty of visual things that i can see on alot of cars just walking by them in the pits. So again we need to decide to eather bring what ever you want,or follow rules to a t and start dq ing people. I will say after the race there was supposed to be a major tear down on a few cars but it was decided against at the last minute.I was dissapointed in that but i was just a spectator .What are your thoughts guys?

--- In westcoastenduroraci ng@yahoogroups. com, Josh Roberts <joshiebgood@ ...> wrote:
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> Chris-
> Very true. I mean look at who Nascar and now made every car look the same and all are the same spped. BORING! I used to watch Nascar every Sunday for years. Now I could care less because all the cars are the same. Plus it don't matter how big your motor is. We are not drag racing. Have all the power you want but if you can't get it to handle in the corners it does you no good.
>
> --- On Wed, 11/4/09, Chris Lancaster <sacchris7@. ..> wrote:
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>
> From: Chris Lancaster <sacchris7@. ..>
> Subject: Re: Re: [westcoastendurorac ing] equal playing field
> To: westcoastenduroraci ng@yahoogroups. com, "Josh Roberts" <joshiebgood@ ...>
> Date: Wednesday, November 4, 2009, 11:39 AM
>
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>  
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>
>
> it takes away the fun of building and learning set ups on your on car... it is true some cars are bbetter, but that can be about finding tthe right parts at the junk yard or having the right suspension parts.... i am 100 against this idea.. unfortunately in all forms of racing some cars/drivers will be better. the answer to beating papst or strminska or anyone isnt about outlawing their car, but rather it is making yhour car and driving better.... they win because they r very good, this is a sport and in my opinion itwill never be fullyeven or fair.... that wwould not be as fun nor compettitive for the fans....
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> Date: Wed, Nov 4, 2009 11:16 AM
> Subject: Re: [westcoastendurorac ing] equal playing field
>
> Larry-
> Here is where I think this is a bad idea and will not work. Say I win the race, you finish say 5th. You want to claim my car and I say no. What is going to be the consequince (sorry not good at spelling) for me saying no? So I get dq'ed? Big deal. I still keep my car. If someone wants to spend $$$$ to make their car faster go for it. At this point it don't really matter what the rules are because the tracks are going to do what they want anyways. There is really no way to control it tell there is a promoter who is willing to step in and take over WCE. Then there would be a set of techs who would dq a car and not let it come back next race tell it was fixed. Right now a driver could get dq'ed at Stockton and then go to Roseville the next weekend with the same car and the same thing would get looked over.
>  
> That is the only way for a equal playing field in my eyes.
>
> --- On Wed, 11/4/09, BULLDOZER <enduro95@yahoo. com> wrote:
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> From: BULLDOZER <enduro95@yahoo. com>
> Subject: [westcoastendurorac ing] equal playing field
> To: westcoastenduroraci ng@yahoogroups. com
> Date: Wednesday, November 4, 2009, 11:07 AM
>
>  
>
> I know everybody was against the idea but what if we had a Claim Rule. If you finished in the top 5 you could claim another top 5 car for $--- plus your car. If you finished in the top 10 you would be able to claim another car for$--- plus your car. Everyone would have a 2,02,98,92 car at a fraction of the cost. This would cost the race car builders several more thousand dollars building several race cars or force them to move up in a class for race cars. By doing this everyone would still have a car to race and eventully level the field. This is a far out idea but the sport needs a better handle on the cars(teching isn't working). Several cars were DQed this year only to come back the next week with no changes?????
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#10581 From: "onefast14@..." <onefast14@...>
Date: Tue Nov 10, 2009 4:07 am
Subject: Re: Victorville Update 		onefast14...
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We got rooms at the Ambassador Hotel for 59.00, not to bad and seems like a
pretty nice place. The #14, #4, #60, and #2(very first race)from Coalinga will
be there along with the #2c mini. Were might be a little short on help also with
all these cars.

(760) 245-6565 Hotel

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> #43 nova, nick viscusi will be there. Ken, could you ask them if the is any
way they can provide counters for us travelling 450 miles. Seems like they could
at least do that
> Nick
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#10580 From: ron wills <ron.wills@...>
Date: Tue Nov 10, 2009 1:37 am
Subject: RE: Re: Come on and vote guys 		surfnturf18
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Im glad to see that stirring the pot got Rosevilles' attention. I wish everyone the best in their negotiations representing WCE. Maybe next year...we'll see. I went down that road with them last year, it seems that they are more willing to listen now. I hope you get some positive results because I know that there are alot of drivers who may want to come back....and I may be one of them. However, I have taken a liking to Stockton 99 and after dealing with them directly for many hours to accomplish a better car count...I felt I had no choice but to let everyone know how we were being treated. I hope this has gone a long way and is fresh on their minds during negotiations. it should be. I will leave it alone this year...good luck to all
 
 
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To: westcoastenduroracing@yahoogroups.com
From: winlandracing@...
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2009 10:49:39 -0800
Subject: Re: [westcoastenduroracing] Re: Come on and vote guys

 
it actually states 17", I would allow as low as 15 or 16, same with compression, I believe it is 180, I would say no higher than 185-190, got to give a little leeway.
 
also remember, it was one main voice expressing displeasure with Roseville, I havent heard that voice lately.

--- On Thu, 11/5/09, enduroracer77 <enduroracer77@yahoo.com> wrote:

From: enduroracer77 <enduroracer77@yahoo.com>
Subject: [westcoastenduroracing] Re: Come on and vote guys
To: westcoastenduroracing@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, November 5, 2009, 10:16 AM

 
Done. Its just frustrating that everyone on here bitches about Roseville this and Roseville that. I am taking this on trying to get a feel for everyones needs and nobody responds/ I will just represent the group then.Im not going to beg people anymore. i will discuss issues with the track that i think will benifit everyone. I haer ya loud and clear on the rules,leave them alone.I really would like for people to tell me about payouts,entry, lap amounts,dates, qualifying, how they start race and things like that. Like i said if i do not get much input i will just do the best i can to help everyone out.

Now since it seems like everyone wants to keep rules as they are is everyone ok with enforcing them next year? If i have a set of rules in my hand that says 21" vacummn at 1000 rpms and your motor is putting out 16" you wont be mad when you get dq'ed right? We need to be consistant. Its no good to have a set of rules if you do not enforce them right? I just want everyone to be clear that im pretty sure the teching will increase next year to the WCE rules.This is the last time i will ask for input. Thanks

--- In westcoastenduroraci ng@yahoogroups. com, Ken Winland <winlandracing@ ...> wrote:
>
> Hey Mark, You will find that a lot of the members wont answer the polls.  I say run with what you have, represent the group and advise us on what gets discussed.
>  
> As far as rules, I also agree to leave them alone.
>  
> Ken 
>
> --- On Wed, 11/4/09, enduroracer77 <enduroracer77@ ...> wrote:
>
>
> From: enduroracer77 <enduroracer77@ ...>
> Subject: [westcoastendurorac ing] Come on and vote guys
> To: westcoastenduroraci ng@yahoogroups. com
> Date: Wednesday, November 4, 2009, 9:35 PM
>
>
>  
>
>
>
> Go to the poll and vote if you want a meeting or you want me to represent you? I only voted so i could see who voted so far.There is onlt 2 votes. If you guys dont care i wont waste my time.Thanks
>



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#10579 From: ron wills <ron.wills@...>
Date: Tue Nov 10, 2009 1:13 am
Subject: RE: Re: Come on and vote guys 		surfnturf18
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why dont we just go out and race, and when its over,,,,draw for the prize-money...like we would for a starting position...its not about the money...
 
To: westcoastenduroracing@yahoogroups.com
From: sacchris7@...
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2009 04:00:49 +0000
Subject: Re: Re: [westcoastenduroracing] Re: Come on and vote guys

 
i want same number of races as now... i race for fun. not money.. less races is not a good solujtion to grow the class

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From: Josh Roberts <joshiebgood@yahoo.com>
To: <westcoastenduroracing@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Thu, Nov 5, 2009 04:56 PM
Subject: Re: [westcoastenduroracing] Re: Come on and vote guys

I would say 2 big ones. As far as the raffle car goes that is a GREAT idea! I know years ago at Ukiah Speedway they did that for a Bomber Car. For $5 you could buy raffle tickets to win the car. Every week they would have the car there and have it do some laps around the track and give kid rides. They gave the car away on the last race of the season and the guy who won it raced it that night.

--- On Thu, 11/5/09, enduroracer77 <enduroracer77@yahoo.com> wrote:

From: enduroracer77 <enduroracer77@yahoo.com>
Subject: [westcoastenduroracing] Re: Come on and vote guys
To: westcoastenduroracing@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, November 5, 2009, 4:04 PM

 

Ok Ken good points. I didnt want to reward the top guys anymore than they already are. I would like to spred it out & add in some random prizes as well.I have a fresh 77 monte carlo i might be willing to donate to someone,or even raffle it off and use that money to buy items for drivers?Would you rather have 2 larger paying enduros,or 3-4 regular ones?
--- In westcoastenduroraci ng@yahoogroups. com, Ken Winland <winlandracing@ ...> wrote:
>
> I always thought that a random driver out of the top 5 gets picked for a better purse,  lets say the race is over, they decided to give 300 dollars to the 12th place car, I think that would go a lot further than 1000 to win.  In fact I would be the first to vote to drop the winning purse down a bit to spread it out a bit.
>  
> Josh at this point victorville will not have 70 cars to pay 4000 to win, I dont know what it will end up at but it will be much lower than 4000.
>  
>  
> As far as prizes for top qualifier etc, again , maybe instead of tires for the fastest lap give tires to the 7th place finisher.... The more we can spread it out to us bottom of the rung guys the more interested new people will have towards getting involved.  It is hard enough to compete with the front runners for those of us doing it for years, imagine the intimidation or whatever you want to call it from someone looking in trying to get started.  What chance do they have unless thay already have a program that supports them.....
>  
>  
> As far as Stockton and Madera, you come up with your plan and I can assist with them.  Carol and I will be speaking soon regarding the 2010 season, rumor has it that they will be adding a few more enduros.
>  
> Stockton is doing good by car counts and it will improve as a lot of locals are building cars for Stockton.
>  
> Madera on the other hand is a bit baffling, they run a great track, good program but the enduro cars just dont show up there.  I assume it is a location thing.  It is too bad to because the crowd they had for the Pumpkin Smash deserved more than 22 cars.  There must have been 5000 people in the stands all coming out to see our program which was evident by how many stayed till the boat race was over.  
>
> --- On Thu, 11/5/09, Josh Roberts <joshiebgood@ ...> wrote:
>
>
> From: Josh Roberts <joshiebgood@ ...>
> Subject: Re: [westcoastendurorac ing] Re: Come on and vote guys
> To: westcoastenduroraci ng@yahoogroups. com
> Date: Thursday, November 5, 2009, 2:55 PM
>
>
>  
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Mark-
> As far as the cubic inch rule I am talking about guys that we both know are running 377,383,and 406 cubic inch motors. You tell me one GM car that came with those stock. As for the purse, I say pay back further is good. I am sure that guys running in the 11-15 wouldn't mind getting something even if it is a case a oil or 5 gallons for fuel or hell even a 12 pack of beer or soda. Ok maybe not a 12 pack but you get what I am saying. I understand that this is a hobby but at the same time we are also there to entertain people and people pay to watch us entertain them. No different than going to a ballgame or the movies on a Saturday night.
>
> --- On Thu, 11/5/09, enduroracer77 <enduroracer77@ yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
> From: enduroracer77 <enduroracer77@ yahoo.com>
> Subject: [westcoastendurorac ing] Re: Come on and vote guys
> To: westcoastenduroraci ng@yahoogroups. com
> Date: Thursday, November 5, 2009, 2:48 PM
>
>
>  
>
> Good points. I am going to be working on some sponcered things. Such as a set of tires for fastest qualifyer,oil & filter for last place car,Free entry to following race for a random draw things like that.Im not sure if drivers want more money for top 10 and nothing else, or spread it out with some random prizes as well? I would really like to get a championship series going. it can be Roseville only or Stockton & madera too. I have not tried madera yet But i have emailed Stockton with no responce? As far as ci there is nothing you can do if a 305 or 350 ect. came with that car. If a 502 is stuffed in a camero then we have issues.
>
> --- In westcoastenduroraci ng@yahoogroups. com, Josh Roberts <joshiebgood@ ...> wrote:
> >
> > Hey Mark-
> >  
> > Should there maybe be a cubic inch rule? Like we were talking about the other night? Also the payouts could always be higher. I remember you saying that they have had the same payouts for far to long. If Victorville can do a $4000 to win why can't Roseville do it atleast once a year?? Or even a $2000-$2500 to win? We all know that these cars are not getting any cheaper to build or fix.
> >  
> >
> >
> > --- On Thu, 11/5/09, enduroracer77 <enduroracer77@ ...> wrote:
> >
> >
> > From: enduroracer77 <enduroracer77@ ...>
> > Subject: [westcoastendurorac ing] Re: Come on and vote guys
> > To: westcoastenduroraci ng@yahoogroups. com
> > Date: Thursday, November 5, 2009, 11:23 AM
> >
> >
> >  
> >
> >
> >
> > Yeah its 17" but there you go with being forgiving. If your in second at 17" and the winner has 18" thats ok? I bet you would be a little upset. Thats why there are rules Ken.
> >
> > --- In westcoastenduroraci ng@yahoogroups. com, Ken Winland <winlandracing@ ...> wrote:
> > >
> > > it actually states 17", I would allow as low as 15 or 16, same with compression, I believe it is 180, I would say no higher than 185-190, got to give a little leeway.
> > >  
> > > also remember, it was one main voice expressing displeasure with Roseville, I havent heard that voice lately.
> > >
> > > --- On Thu, 11/5/09, enduroracer77 <enduroracer77@ ...> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > From: enduroracer77 <enduroracer77@ ...>
> > > Subject: [westcoastendurorac ing] Re: Come on and vote guys
> > > To: westcoastenduroraci ng@yahoogroups. com
> > > Date: Thursday, November 5, 2009, 10:16 AM
> > >
> > >
> > >  
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Done. Its just frustrating that everyone on here bitches about Roseville this and Roseville that. I am taking this on trying to get a feel for everyones needs and nobody responds/ I will just represent the group then.Im not going to beg people anymore. i will discuss issues with the track that i think will benifit everyone. I haer ya loud and clear on the rules,leave them alone.I really would like for people to tell me about payouts,entry, lap amounts,dates, qualifying, how they start race and things like that. Like i said if i do not get much input i will just do the best i can to help everyone out.
> > >
> > > Now since it seems like everyone wants to keep rules as they are is everyone ok with enforcing them next year? If i have a set of rules in my hand that says 21" vacummn at 1000 rpms and your motor is putting out 16" you wont be mad when you get dq'ed right? We need to be consistant. Its no good to have a set of rules if you do not enforce them right? I just want everyone to be clear that im pretty sure the teching will increase next year to the WCE rules.This is the last time i will ask for input. Thanks
> > >
> > > --- In westcoastenduroraci ng@yahoogroups. com, Ken Winland <winlandracing@ ...> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Hey Mark, You will find that a lot of the members wont answer the polls.ÃÆ'‚  I say run with what you have, represent the group and advise us on what gets discussed.
> > > > ÃÆ'‚ 
> > > > As far as rules, I also agree to leave them alone.
> > > > ÃÆ'‚ 
> > > > KenÃÆ'‚ 
> > > >
> > > > --- On Wed, 11/4/09, enduroracer77 <enduroracer77@ ...> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > From: enduroracer77 <enduroracer77@ ...>
> > > > Subject: [westcoastendurorac ing] Come on and vote guys
> > > > To: westcoastenduroraci ng@yahoogroups. com
> > > > Date: Wednesday, November 4, 2009, 9:35 PM
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ÃÆ'‚ 
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Go to the poll and vote if you want a meeting or you want me to represent you? I only voted so i could see who voted so far.There is onlt 2 votes. If you guys dont care i wont waste my time.Thanks
> > > >
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#10578 From: "drnickv@..." <drnickv@...>
Date: Tue Nov 10, 2009 12:54 am
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#43 nova, nick viscusi will be there. Ken, could you ask them if the is any way they can provide counters for us travelling 450 miles. Seems like they could at least do that
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#10577 From: Josh Roberts <joshiebgood@...>
Date: Tue Nov 10, 2009 12:45 am
Subject: Re: 14X7 CHEVY RIMS 		joshiebgood
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Damn I just drove down to Bako on Saturday I could of met up with you and traded or bought them from you. What are you asking for them?

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Subject: [westcoastenduroracing] 14X7 CHEVY RIMS
To: westcoastenduroracing@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, November 9, 2009, 4:25 PM

 
have 6 older style camaro rims 5 3/4 dont need anybody have something to trade or make offer (cheap) Darren 209 373 7826



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#10576 From: "crasher522" <geneva.piper@...>
Date: Tue Nov 10, 2009 12:25 am
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have 6 older style camaro rims 5 3/4 dont need anybody have something to trade
or make offer (cheap) Darren 209 373 7826

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#10575 From: "joshiebgood" <joshiebgood@...>
Date: Mon Nov 9, 2009 11:34 pm
Subject: Camaro Parts Car? 		joshiebgood
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Just seen this ad on craigslist and thought that I would pass it on.




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#10574 From: "winlandracing66" <winlandracing@...>
Date: Mon Nov 9, 2009 10:32 pm
Subject: Victorville Update 		winlandracing66
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I spoke to the promoter.  She stated that they do not have transponders and each
driver shall supply a counter.  The mini enduro is scheduled for 230 in the
afternoon with the v-8 enduro afterwards (430?)

She mentioned Holiday inn in Hisperia offers a better deal if you mention
race09.  I called today and they dont know anything about the special code so I
will continue to work with them to see what the rate is.
Holiday Inn number is 760-244-7674


so far about 10 cars preregistered, they expect a bunch of day of registrations
but my guess is that they wont pay 4000 to win because they wont get 100 cars.


Who else is going? Last race till New years eve!

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#10573 From: Josh Roberts <joshiebgood@...>
Date: Mon Nov 9, 2009 5:27 pm
Subject: Re: Re: Re: Come on and vote guys 		joshiebgood
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Those Metric cars are still pretty cheap to come by. I am looking for one too. If I see something out there I will let you know. I have a mid 70's Monte if anyone is interested.

--- On Mon, 11/9/09, Jill Hardesty <jillybeanph@...> wrote:

From: Jill Hardesty <jillybeanph@...>
Subject: Re: Re: [westcoastenduroracing] Re: Come on and vote guys
To: westcoastenduroracing@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, November 9, 2009, 9:20 AM

 
We are looking for 80's.

From: Josh Roberts <joshiebgood@ yahoo.com>
To: westcoastenduroraci ng@yahoogroups. com
Sent: Mon, November 9, 2009 9:11:21 AM
Subject: Re: Re: [westcoastendurorac ing] Re: Come on and vote guys

 
Chris-
What year of car are you looking for? 70's or 80's?

--- On Sun, 11/8/09, Chris Lancaster <sacchris7@yahoo. com> wrote:

From: Chris Lancaster <sacchris7@yahoo. com>
Subject: Re: Re: [westcoastendurorac ing] Re: Come on and vote guys
To: westcoastenduroraci ng@yahoogroups. com
Date: Sunday, November 8, 2009, 10:04 AM

 
so, we are looking for a new monte/regal/ grand prix/cutlass to build next year's enduro car.  Figure since we have most of the parts, stay with the same type (and considering ours is pretty much toast.)   Well, it is easy to see one of the challenges to our car counts.  The 70's and 80's cars are very difficult to find at a reasonable price...   Just a comment (o.k., I'm a little annoyed by the high prices people want for their junk)..   But, I think our goal to building this class involves opening up the division to as many low priced cars as possible, and then maybe finding a way to help people get safe roll cages built cheaply.   I am not exactly certain how we go about the second part, but it seems to me that (more than rules) can help us get car counts back into the 30's....
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To: westcoastenduroraci ng@yahoogroups. com
Sent: Thu, November 5, 2009 11:16:46 PM
Subject: Re: Re: [westcoastendurorac ing] Re: Come on and vote guys

 
Calistoga only runs sprints cars as far as I can remember. That is a big track too. 1/2 mile I think.

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Subject: Re: Re: [westcoastendurorac ing] Re: Come on and vote guys
To: westcoastenduroraci ng@yahoogroups. com
Date: Thursday, November 5, 2009, 8:37 PM

 
What about Calistoga? Have they ever ran the Enduro class?






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#10572 From: Jill Hardesty <jillybeanph@...>
Date: Mon Nov 9, 2009 5:20 pm
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We are looking for 80's.

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Sent: Mon, November 9, 2009 9:11:21 AM
Subject: Re: Re: [westcoastenduroracing] Re: Come on and vote guys

 

Chris-
What year of car are you looking for? 70's or 80's?

--- On Sun, 11/8/09, Chris Lancaster <sacchris7@yahoo. com> wrote:

From: Chris Lancaster <sacchris7@yahoo. com>
Subject: Re: Re: [westcoastendurorac ing] Re: Come on and vote guys
To: westcoastenduroraci ng@yahoogroups. com
Date: Sunday, November 8, 2009, 10:04 AM

 
so, we are looking for a new monte/regal/ grand prix/cutlass to build next year's enduro car.  Figure since we have most of the parts, stay with the same type (and considering ours is pretty much toast.)   Well, it is easy to see one of the challenges to our car counts.  The 70's and 80's cars are very difficult to find at a reasonable price...   Just a comment (o.k., I'm a little annoyed by the high prices people want for their junk)..   But, I think our goal to building this class involves opening up the division to as many low priced cars as possible, and then maybe finding a way to help people get safe roll cages built cheaply.   I am not exactly certain how we go about the second part, but it seems to me that (more than rules) can help us get car counts back into the 30's....
From: Josh Roberts <joshiebgood@ yahoo.com>
To: westcoastenduroraci ng@yahoogroups. com
Sent: Thu, November 5, 2009 11:16:46 PM
Subject: Re: Re: [westcoastendurorac ing] Re: Come on and vote guys

 
Calistoga only runs sprints cars as far as I can remember. That is a big track too. 1/2 mile I think.

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From: Emily Schaffer & Danny Marsh <emily.danny@ comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Re: [westcoastendurorac ing] Re: Come on and vote guys
To: westcoastenduroraci ng@yahoogroups. com
Date: Thursday, November 5, 2009, 8:37 PM

 
What about Calistoga? Have they ever ran the Enduro class?






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#10571 From: Josh Roberts <joshiebgood@...>
Date: Mon Nov 9, 2009 5:11 pm
Subject: Re: Re: Re: Come on and vote guys 		joshiebgood
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Chris-
What year of car are you looking for? 70's or 80's?

--- On Sun, 11/8/09, Chris Lancaster <sacchris7@...> wrote:

From: Chris Lancaster <sacchris7@...>
Subject: Re: Re: [westcoastenduroracing] Re: Come on and vote guys
To: westcoastenduroracing@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, November 8, 2009, 10:04 AM

 
so, we are looking for a new monte/regal/ grand prix/cutlass to build next year's enduro car.  Figure since we have most of the parts, stay with the same type (and considering ours is pretty much toast.)   Well, it is easy to see one of the challenges to our car counts.  The 70's and 80's cars are very difficult to find at a reasonable price...   Just a comment (o.k., I'm a little annoyed by the high prices people want for their junk)..   But, I think our goal to building this class involves opening up the division to as many low priced cars as possible, and then maybe finding a way to help people get safe roll cages built cheaply.   I am not exactly certain how we go about the second part, but it seems to me that (more than rules) can help us get car counts back into the 30's....
From: Josh Roberts <joshiebgood@ yahoo.com>
To: westcoastenduroraci ng@yahoogroups. com
Sent: Thu, November 5, 2009 11:16:46 PM
Subject: Re: Re: [westcoastendurorac ing] Re: Come on and vote guys

 
Calistoga only runs sprints cars as far as I can remember. That is a big track too. 1/2 mile I think.

--- On Thu, 11/5/09, Emily Schaffer & Danny Marsh <emily.danny@ comcast.net> wrote:

From: Emily Schaffer & Danny Marsh <emily.danny@ comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Re: [westcoastendurorac ing] Re: Come on and vote guys
To: westcoastenduroraci ng@yahoogroups. com
Date: Thursday, November 5, 2009, 8:37 PM

 
What about Calistoga? Have they ever ran the Enduro class?





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#10570 From: Ken Winland <winlandracing@...>
Date: Mon Nov 9, 2009 4:04 am
Subject: Re: equal playing field 		winlandracing66
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good run Adam!  Way to get the WCE shoutout during your interview. 
I like the excitement you provided in the front strait....
Time to take the windshield off and come out to Victorville next Saturday......ROADTRIP!
 
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22 Lewis
03 Knittel
 
24 took 5th or 6th

--- On Wed, 11/4/09, Adam Baggett <elvisabaggett@...> wrote:

From: Adam Baggett <elvisabaggett@...>
Subject: Re: [westcoastenduroracing] equal playing field
To: westcoastenduroracing@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, November 4, 2009, 12:54 PM

 
Hey all,
 Is anybody racing in the bomber race @ 99 this weekend??? 
WCE 24x
Adam Baggett

From: Josh Roberts <joshiebgood@ yahoo.com>
To: westcoastenduroraci ng@yahoogroups. com
Sent: Wed, November 4, 2009 12:44:43 PM
Subject: Re: [westcoastendurorac ing] equal playing field

 
Mark-
I don't mind it BUT what keeps a dq'ed car from going to another track and getting away with it?

--- On Wed, 11/4/09, enduroracer77 <enduroracer77@ yahoo.com> wrote:

From: enduroracer77 <enduroracer77@ yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [westcoastendurorac ing] equal playing field
To: westcoastenduroraci ng@yahoogroups. com
Date: Wednesday, November 4, 2009, 12:37 PM

 
Larry, I like the idea of a claim but maybe just motor,or carb,or shocks. Not the car itself. This will not work bottom line because all your top running cars are against it,while all your middle of the pack cars are for it. If we stick to the WCE rules for roseville next year it comes down to teching. You know as well as i do if you teched to a t on the rules there wouldnt be many cars racing that night.Its hard because tracks are letting cars go through without tech because they want a good count, and on the other hand there are the guys who finish 5-10th every race who dont have a chance to win so now they are not happy. We need to decide as a group on what to do here. we need to eather open the rules up to pretty much everythings legal, or stick to what we got and follow them to a t. This way when you get a dq you cant cry about it. There have been plenty of visual things that i can see on alot of cars just walking by them in the pits. So again we need to decide to eather bring what ever you want,or follow rules to a t and start dq ing people. I will say after the race there was supposed to be a major tear down on a few cars but it was decided against at the last minute.I was dissapointed in that but i was just a spectator .What are your thoughts guys?

--- In westcoastenduroraci ng@yahoogroups. com, Josh Roberts <joshiebgood@ ...> wrote:
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> Chris-
> Very true. I mean look at who Nascar and now made every car look the same and all are the same spped. BORING! I used to watch Nascar every Sunday for years. Now I could care less because all the cars are the same. Plus it don't matter how big your motor is. We are not drag racing. Have all the power you want but if you can't get it to handle in the corners it does you no good.
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> --- On Wed, 11/4/09, Chris Lancaster <sacchris7@. ..> wrote:
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> From: Chris Lancaster <sacchris7@. ..>
> Subject: Re: Re: [westcoastendurorac ing] equal playing field
> To: westcoastenduroraci ng@yahoogroups. com, "Josh Roberts" <joshiebgood@ ...>
> Date: Wednesday, November 4, 2009, 11:39 AM
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> it takes away the fun of building and learning set ups on your on car... it is true some cars are bbetter, but that can be about finding tthe right parts at the junk yard or having the right suspension parts.... i am 100 against this idea.. unfortunately in all forms of racing some cars/drivers will be better. the answer to beating papst or strminska or anyone isnt about outlawing their car, but rather it is making yhour car and driving better.... they win because they r very good, this is a sport and in my opinion itwill never be fullyeven or fair.... that wwould not be as fun nor compettitive for the fans....
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> From: Josh Roberts <joshiebgood@ yahoo.com>
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> Date: Wed, Nov 4, 2009 11:16 AM
> Subject: Re: [westcoastendurorac ing] equal playing field
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> Larry-
> Here is where I think this is a bad idea and will not work. Say I win the race, you finish say 5th. You want to claim my car and I say no. What is going to be the consequince (sorry not good at spelling) for me saying no? So I get dq'ed? Big deal. I still keep my car. If someone wants to spend $$$$ to make their car faster go for it. At this point it don't really matter what the rules are because the tracks are going to do what they want anyways. There is really no way to control it tell there is a promoter who is willing to step in and take over WCE. Then there would be a set of techs who would dq a car and not let it come back next race tell it was fixed. Right now a driver could get dq'ed at Stockton and then go to Roseville the next weekend with the same car and the same thing would get looked over.
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> That is the only way for a equal playing field in my eyes.
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> --- On Wed, 11/4/09, BULLDOZER <enduro95@yahoo. com> wrote:
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> From: BULLDOZER <enduro95@yahoo. com>
> Subject: [westcoastendurorac ing] equal playing field
> To: westcoastenduroraci ng@yahoogroups. com
> Date: Wednesday, November 4, 2009, 11:07 AM
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> I know everybody was against the idea but what if we had a Claim Rule. If you finished in the top 5 you could claim another top 5 car for $--- plus your car. If you finished in the top 10 you would be able to claim another car for$--- plus your car. Everyone would have a 2,02,98,92 car at a fraction of the cost. This would cost the race car builders several more thousand dollars building several race cars or force them to move up in a class for race cars. By doing this everyone would still have a car to race and eventully level the field. This is a far out idea but the sport needs a better handle on the cars(teching isn't working). Several cars were DQed this year only to come back the next week with no changes?????
> Larry#95
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