Okay, so this is a nice long debate.... and I shall now provide a
girl's perspective. I don't like the idea of gender ratios for a
couple reasons. One, I spent a summer playing savage because there
was a gender ratio and I was the only girl showing up. I can't
survive another season like that. Two, having a ratio makes
everything too structured - ew. Third, its not fair to the girls who
play with all guys teams and don't get thrown to. They may be the
best players, but its a guy thing - the girls will still be banished
to wings, and still not touch a disc more than three times a game.
Fourth, playing against guys makes me better. Just because I'm a girl
doesn't mean I'm not a threat. Fifth, if the poor all-boys school
guys really want to talk to girls, tell them to come over and say hi
to the B-CC team, we'll introduce them around.

Laura Swartz
B-CC

--- In wafcjr@yahoogroups.com, "cp hsia" <kiipii@...> wrote:
>
> I think that given the resistance to requiring teams to play 6:1, it
makes
> no sense to try to require it. However, I like BVH's first option
of making
> the league 'open'. I think last year, Prep (as an all-boys team)
generally
> matched up decently against teams with girls. I don't think too
many teams
> at this stage will try to use mismatches to win. Also, this is
something we
> can encourage as coaches.
>
> Additionally, when I first started playing at college, we had 1
woman on our
> team. She played in all our tournaments, even the UPA series. I
think she
> became a better player because of it, and even though our team might
have
> been better served at times to have 7 men on the field, we were more
> generally more concerned with having a good time than insuring a win
(or not
> as lopsided a loss).
>
> I've been talking to the guys at Prep, and they mostly feel the same
way.
> They see the league as a fun event, a chance to hang out and play
ultimate
> on Sundays. They wanted me to ask YHB for a couple of girls anyways
even if
> the league will not require a 6:1 ratio.
>
> Also, this option would be the easiest for everyone, I think.
>
> c.p.hsia.
>
> On 2/22/06, Berend Van Heuvelen <bvanheuvelen@...> wrote:
> >
> > In past seasons, I think the purpose of this league has been to
organize
> > competitions among already-existing school teams. If this remains the
> > purpose of the league, then we can't require that anyone compete
with a
> > player who can't regularly practice with the team. I say this because
> > playing for an organized team is different from playing on a
pickup team or
> > a summer-league team because you achieve a level of teamwork through
> > practice that you cannot achieve otherwise. Moreover, I think
it's good for
> > youth ultimate (in general and specifically in DC) to have teams
divided
> > into schools, since so much of what's great about this sport comes
from the
> > process of team-building. If we want to promote the sport and
raise the
> > level of play, then we should encourage team-building.
> >
> > I also think a broader purpose of the league is to provide an
organizing
> > body that enables high schoolers (boys and girls) to play and
enjoy the
> > sport. Given the constraints and the conflicting interests, I see
three
> > possible solutions:
> >
> > 1. Define the league specifically as "open," with no gender
ratios, but
> > a) encourage captains/coaches to be fair about playing their
girls, not
> > intentionally creating or exploiting mismatches, etc. (This is
what we've
> > done in the past.)
> > b) encourage captains/coaches to recruit girls from their own schools
> > c) teams are allowed but not required to compete with female pick-ups
> >
> > 2. Divide the league into an Open division and a Mixed division
with a
> > mandatory ratio (with girls spread across fewer teams, this ratio
might even
> > be 5:2 in some games), and allow teams to choose which division
they will
> > compete in.
> >
> > 3. Divide the league into an "open" division with teams from separate
> > schools (who practice together during the week) and a "coed"
division whose
> > teams are chosen by a summer league-style draft.
> >
> > My two cents,
> > Ben.
> >
> >
> > On 2/21/06, davelovesbikes@... <davelovesbikes@... > wrote:
> > >
> > > Here was my idea: At games we have a 6:1 minimum, teams can opt
to go
> > > more than that.
> > >
> > > In order to assist the school without female students I take the
top 10
> > > girls from my program and assign 2 or 3 of them to each school
that doesn't
> > > have any girls. Those 2 - 3 girls play with that same team all
season.
> > >
> > > Here were my motivations for proposing this:
> > >
> > > 1) To make the games more fun and fair. Most of the time when 2
teams
> > > meet and one has women and the other doesn't its a mismatch,
maybe not the
> > > score, but for whomever is covering the girl.
> > >
> > > 1a) The girls have a lot less fun because they rarely get in and
when
> > > they do they get blown by or are stuck playing wing or
something. They
> > > rarely get open, they rarely touch the disc. Now I admit there
are the
> > > Katie Mercers and Morgans of the world who can rise above but
they are
> > > few and far between. I think for most girls its a turn off.
Its like
> > > making an 8 yr old do calculus or something.
> > > 1b) For the teams playing their women anyway its a downer because it
> > > hurts their performance. If everybody had girls it'd make for a
more fair
> > > playing field. I don't think anybody blames their girls but it just
> > > results in inequities and more frustration.
> > >
> > > 2) Speaking of frustration one of my biggest motivations was to
help out
> > > those poor bastards at single sex schools interact more girls
theirage. Being on the same field with the same girl a couple of
times a spring
> > > just seems like a great opportunity to meet and impress chicks.
> > >
> > > 3) It would be a way for the skills and knowledge of our school
to be
> > > disseminated around the league. I was planning to farm out my
top 10 girls
> > > who could help explain zone, etc to their team mates. They can all
> > > throw flicks and hammers and could probably be helpful
demonstrating those
> > > as well.
> > >
> > > 4) It would give my girls another 2 hours of playing time and
allow them
> > > to meet boys they haven't known since middle school.
> > >
> > > I want this to be a fun league. I didn't want to take a vote at the
> > > meeting cause I don't force this on teams. Having stated my
case I'd
> > > like to hear back from the schools without women, especially if
they are
> > > still opposed. I'd like to know what concerns they have and if
there's any
> > > way I can allay them.
> > >
> > > Dave
> > >
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