Rob,

Many thanks for the reply. I agree with your feelings on Idori. I
have some experience of Idori from Aikido, but even so, it is
difficult to get the right 'feel' in the techniques, and
unfortunately my training partners have even less experience of this
kind of technique than I do.

The Kumite Gata seem to present less of a problem; this may be
because I have already practiced the Kihon Kumite, and the feel seems
to be very similar, though Kuzushi does appear to be more of an
explict factor in the Kumite Gata than in some of the Kihons.

Do you ever teach the Wado Idori? I am about a hour North of
Blackpool, in Kendal, but could make the trip...

Thanks,

Matthew

Matthew,
you will find it very difficult to learn idori without a sensei or a partner who
knows the "feel" of the technique. I can't speak for Suzuki sensei on the video
point, but it's very difficult to perform some movements smothly in slow motion,
especially when there is a sudden change of centre and weight shift. These
movements will happen easily at speed because they are meant to happen that way.
I have made several instructional videos in Jujutsu and we have this problem
with showing the kuzushi point, and this is why newer productions make use of
slow motion playback.
Rob Campbell
Blackpool(NW England!)

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I belong to an organisation that does not practice Kumite Gata or
Idori (or Tanto dori for that matter...), but my interest has been
awakened in these forms by previous discussions on this forum.

Armed with Tatsuo Suzuki's videos for Idori, and a combination of
Timo Klemola's articles and DVD footage of Ohtsuka I, I have been
attempting to try these techniques for myself.

Is this reasonable to do, or am I going to totally miss the point of
these parts of Wado without a formal Sensei? Are there any other
sources of information I could be using to further my understanding? -
I am in the North West of England, if that is relevant.

On a specific point, Tatsuo Suzuki demonstrates the Idori step by
step, and also full speed. In the step by step version of Idori 3, he
appears to move first by raising his right knee to the right, then
swaps knees for the takedown that follows. However, when done full
speed, this initial knee movement to the right appears absent. Any
thoughts on why?

As a general comment, simply practising the Kumite Gata in the crude
way I have so far demonstrates the effectiveness of the Kuzushi
movements in a way that never came across to me from reading about
them - if you have never tried them, then I feel they are worth a go
just to experience this aspect.

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I belong to an organisation that does not practice Kumite Gata or
Idori (or Tanto dori for that matter...), but my interest has been
awakened in these forms by previous discussions on this forum.

Armed with Tatsuo Suzuki's videos for Idori, and a combination of
Timo Klemola's articles and DVD footage of Ohtsuka I, I have been
attempting to try these techniques for myself.

Is this reasonable to do, or am I going to totally miss the point of
these parts of Wado without a formal Sensei? Are there any other
sources of information I could be using to further my understanding? -
  I am in the North West of England, if that is relevant.

On a specific point, Tatsuo Suzuki demonstrates the Idori step by
step, and also full speed. In the step by step version of Idori 3, he
appears to move first by raising his right knee to the right, then
swaps knees for the takedown that follows. However, when done full
speed, this initial knee movement to the right appears absent. Any
thoughts on why?

As a general comment, simply practising the Kumite Gata in the crude
way I have so far demonstrates the effectiveness of the Kuzushi
movements in a way that never came across to me from reading about
them - if you have never tried them, then I feel they are worth a go
just to experience this aspect.

Many Thanks,

Matthew Miller

Hi All,

It has been quit again on the forum and maybe it is
the Israeli background that want some noise from time
to time.
So I wanted to share with you all my experiences with
the seminar held in Potsdam (near Berlin), Germany,
from the 14 till 17 januari.

So another seminar, what about it?
First of all, for me comming from Israel, I have to
pick my seminars very carefully, since everywhere I
attend I fly to and the compagnies very much exploit
that. So no a couple of euro here or a few bucks
there.
What was so special is that all the folks I knew where
attending I only know from our Forum.
Igor and Arnold and of course Bob him self.

It is very nice to finally meet people with who you
discuss so many Wado stuff and finanly can train
together.

So Bob seminar is also one of a kind.
Getting very much in the most thinkable detail of
every socalled 'simple' basic technique.
Leaving every person attending (60 in which about 40
yudansha) ashtonished how rich and specific Wado
actually is.
Every evening Bob asked me how the day was. How did I
experienced it. Was it what I expected.
Yes it was and even more.
Doing for startes, junzuki for about 1 1/2 hour in
every detail gives enough homework to work on with
your students.

In this way I want to thank Bob for the excellent
lessons he gave, Arnold and Igor for the great time
together, and last but not least Andreas Heinrich, his
wife Katharina and Andreas's students for making this
a wonderful experience.

I hope to see you all in the near future.

Jaron
Wado ryu karate Israel




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I read an interesting thread on the WIKFUSA message board.
http://www.wikfusa.com/forum2/viewtopic.php?t=6

Traditional Karate: Is the Wado you teach now different from the
early days?

M. Shiomitsu: The Wado that I learned in university was basically
fighting, no technique, it was always fight, fight, fight! I didn't
know so many techniques. When I came here [England] I learned
something from Suzuki Sensei but his style was not really Wado style,
it was a hard way and what I do is a lot softer, like Ohtsuka
Sensei's father did. People think I have changed but I haven't, I
didn't have any experience at that time. I asked Ohtsuka Sensei 2nd
what the Wado style really is, so that I could learn.

I've had good results converting MS Publisher to PDF using PDFCreator.
You can get it at SourceForge.

http://sourceforge.net/projects/pdfcreator/

You'll want to download the following file:

PDFCreator-0_8_0_AFPLGhostscript.exe

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<nwkoryu@...> wrote:
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support Publisher and Distiller won't do it either. Does anyone have an idea of
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> Considering this is a wado karate forum, I was wondering whether a
> Mac does junzuki better than a PC.
Actually...
A Mac moves with less waisted motion.

This IS a wado forum. But there IS a point to my previous remark....
In my line of work, I get to design the Graphic User Interface of computer
applications.
Wado sure inspires me to get rid of anything that forces the user to make
useless motions
with the mouse. I get rid of anything superfluous, as to reach the simplest but
most
effective solution of all. It's far easier to make things complicated than it is
to make things
simple.
Sounds familiar?

Makes me wonder...
Anyone else inspired by wado in his/her everyday job?


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>A Mac Vs PC flamewar is probably not what we need here...
>
>The full version of Adobe Acrobat is soooo expensive, its unreal.
>
>There are non-Adobe products such as www.jawspdf.com that are cheaper. I've
>never used them before so I can't make a recommendation.
>
>Just spotted www.pdfdesk.com as well that may be worth looking at.
>
>Igor, having PDF creation in OS X is one of the most useful things Apple
>have done for a while. All the interface things are nice and fancy but
>haven't really done anything great for me.
>
>Anyway, less computer talk.



Considering this is a wado karate forum, I was wondering whether a Mac does
junzuki better than a PC.

T. Hayden

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Okay, just one more...

MacOSX rocks!! :-D

Glyn


> on 25/1/05 10:57 am, kodia1963 (safe@...) wrote:
>
>  >>  I need to convert a couple of MS Publisher items to PDF. Acrobat
> won't
>  >> support
>  >> Publisher and Distiller won't do it either. Does anyone have an
> idea of what
>  >> I
>  >> need to use for this.
>  > A Mac.
>  > Mac OSX will turn anything into PDF. It comes with any Mac at no
> extra charge.
>
>  :-)
>
>  A Mac Vs PC flamewar is probably not what we need here...
>
>  The full version of Adobe Acrobat is soooo expensive, its unreal.
>
>  There are non-Adobe products such as www.jawspdf.com that are
> cheaper. I've
>  never used them before so I can't make a recommendation.
>
>  Just spotted www.pdfdesk.com as well that may be worth looking at.
>
>  Igor, having PDF creation in OS X is one of the most useful things
> Apple
>  have done for a while. All the interface things are nice and fancy but
>  haven't really done anything great for me.
>
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on 25/1/05 10:57 am, kodia1963 (safe@...) wrote:

>>  I need to convert a couple of MS Publisher items to PDF. Acrobat won't
>> support
>> Publisher and Distiller won't do it either. Does anyone have an idea of what
>> I
>> need to use for this.
> A Mac.
> Mac OSX will turn anything into PDF. It comes with any Mac at no extra charge.

:-)

A Mac Vs PC flamewar is probably not what we need here...

The full version of Adobe Acrobat is soooo expensive, its unreal.

There are non-Adobe products such as www.jawspdf.com that are cheaper. I've
never used them before so I can't make a recommendation.

Just spotted www.pdfdesk.com as well that may be worth looking at.

Igor, having PDF creation in OS X is one of the most useful things Apple
have done for a while. All the interface things are nice and fancy but
haven't really done anything great for me.

Anyway, less computer talk.

Regards,

Gordon.

>  I need to convert a couple of MS Publisher items to PDF. Acrobat won't
support
> Publisher and Distiller won't do it either. Does anyone have an idea of what I
> need to use for this.
A Mac.
Mac OSX will turn anything into PDF. It comes with any Mac at no extra charge.

Igor A

You need the full version of acrobat to do it. It should work
alternatively you could send the publisher file to me and I will have a
look and try and do it for you.


Steve Balaam-Reed


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going to be moved by my company, and I know nothing
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I have heard many pronunciations of Wado Ryu. But how do you pronounce
it. My sensei says wadoroo. Making it sound like Kangaroo. While a
mate from another martial art prounounced it as wadu reyu. While on
the topic of pronounciation can anyone tell me how to pronounce Kyokushin.
Thanks In Advance,
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I have heard many pronunciations of Wado Ryu. But how do you pronounce
it. My sensei says wadoroo. Making it sound like Kangaroo. While a
mate from another martial art prounounced it as wadu reyu. While on
the topic of pronounciation can anyone tell me how to pronounce Kyokushin.
Thanks In Advance,
Chirath Abeywardana 7th Kyu

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>From: Gordon Fong <gordon@...>
>Reply-To: wadokarate@yahoogroups.com
>To: <wadokarate@yahoogroups.com>
>Subject: Re: [Wado Forum] uchi or soto ?
>Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 12:57:40 +0000
>
>on 12/1/05 12:34 pm, stephen winwood (KONICHYWA@...) wrote:
>
> > No wonder some of the topics on this cyberdojo can lead to rows !
> >
> > steve
>
>Whilst at university, which was Shotokan, I had to constantly put up with
>people telling me I was calling things and doing things the 'wrong way'.
>
>Obviously the more enlightened people accepted that it was just a different
>way. I never took the bite but can understand why people can get the hump.
>
>Regards,
>
>Gordon.
>
>
Yup !

steve

on 12/1/05 1:30 pm, kodia1963 (safe@...) wrote:

>>>  Which raises the question: who's arm? Tori or uke?
>> Why bring anybodyelse's arm into the equation?
> Because an attack generally involves at least two people. The attacker and the
> attacked.
> Then who do you relate to?
>
> And so we can keep things a bit complicated. Because next people will think
> karate is
> simple....

Hi Igor

Yes I agree an attack consists of at least two people but if we come back to
your point about tori or uke's arm, I believe the name only relates to your
own arm and its position/movement.

You can still do gaiwan uke against a jodan keri.

Regards,

Gordon.

> >  Which raises the question: who's arm? Tori or uke?
> Why bring anybodyelse's arm into the equation?
Because an attack generally involves at least two people. The attacker and the
attacked.
Then who do you relate to?

And so we can keep things a bit complicated. Because next people will think
karate is
simple....

Duh,
Igor A

on 12/1/05 12:34 pm, stephen winwood (KONICHYWA@...) wrote:

> No wonder some of the topics on this cyberdojo can lead to rows !
>
> steve

Whilst at university, which was Shotokan, I had to constantly put up with
people telling me I was calling things and doing things the 'wrong way'.

Obviously the more enlightened people accepted that it was just a different
way. I never took the bite but can understand why people can get the hump.

Regards,

Gordon.

on 12/1/05 10:46 am, kodia1963 (safe@...) wrote:

> Thanks Gordon,
> Confusion is the right term here....
> According to the link you provided 'gaiwanto' and 'naiwanto' refer to either
> pinky or thumb
> side of the arm. Which raises the question: who's arm? Tori or uke?
>
> If even the Japanese are confused about Japanese, how am I expected to cope
> with
> Japanese? ;-)

Why bring anybodyelse's arm into the equation?

I can still do gaiwanto uke with no other person around standing naked in
the middle of a forest with nobody for miles and it would still be gaiwan
uke wouldn't it? Oops, secrets coming out!

I can do gaiwan uke against a keri as well.

Also, as other people have mentioned with regard to jodan uke, gaiwan uke is
about the movement. For gaiwan (soto) uke for example you are not making
initial contact with the thumb side edge of the arm. There is always the
rotation of the arm along the way to completion.

Regards,

Gordon.

>
>In Wado soto uke is outward 'block' and uchi is inward 'block' (according
>to, among others,
>Kono, Ohgami and Muramatsu). Why is it the other way round in Shotokan?
>(according to,
>among others, Kase and Kanazawa and Abe)
>In Shotokan soto is inward, uchi is outward. I always assumed 'soto' must
>mean something
>like 'outward' in Japanese' Apparently not so. What's the story?
>
>They can also be translated as from the inside  or from the outside , to
>tjhe inside and to the outside go figure ?

No wonder some of the topics on this cyberdojo can lead to rows !

steve

> To clarify things, or even confuse things further depending on your
> position, the Academy uses the terminology gaiwan(to) and naiwan(to) uke to
> be the equivalent of soto and uchi uke.
Thanks Gordon,
Confusion is the right term here....
According to the link you provided 'gaiwanto' and 'naiwanto' refer to either
pinky or thumb
side of the arm. Which raises the question: who's arm? Tori or uke?

If even the Japanese are confused about Japanese, how am I expected to cope with
Japanese? ;-)

Igor A

on 12/1/05 9:53 am, kodia1963 (safe@...) wrote:

> In Wado soto uke is outward 'block' and uchi is inward 'block' (according to,
> among others,
> Kono, Ohgami and Muramatsu). Why is it the other way round in Shotokan?
> (according to,
> among others, Kase and Kanazawa and Abe)
> In Shotokan soto is inward, uchi is outward. I always assumed 'soto' must mean
> something
> like 'outward' in Japanese' Apparently not so. What's the story?
>
> It's a trivial issue, but it puzzles me....
> Igor Asselbergs

I don't know the exact nuances of the japanese words but I think Wado uses
the word outer to mean the outside of the arm completes the 'block' whilst
Shotokan use the word outer to describe where it is coming from.

To clarify things, or even confuse things further depending on your
position, the Academy uses the terminology gaiwan(to) and naiwan(to) uke to
be the equivalent of soto and uchi uke.

Towards the end of this page link

http://www.bosando.se/ubbcgi/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=3;t=000044

It explains that gaiwanto refers to the thumb side of the arm, and naiwanto
refers to the little finger side of the arm.

Regards,

Gordon.

In Wado soto uke is outward 'block' and uchi is inward 'block' (according to,
among others,
Kono, Ohgami and Muramatsu). Why is it the other way round in Shotokan?
(according to,
among others, Kase and Kanazawa and Abe)
In Shotokan soto is inward, uchi is outward. I always assumed 'soto' must mean
something
like 'outward' in Japanese' Apparently not so. What's the story?

It's a trivial issue, but it puzzles me....
Igor Asselbergs