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Re: [Wado Forum] Taijiquan

Hi,

> early in your Wado career to offer much constructive criticism to
> the art. Essentially it is not possible to teach everything at
> once, so whatever 'holes' you might see could simply be lessons to
> come.
I wasn't saying that I was aware of any 'holes' just that simply
EVERY martial art (including Wado) has holes.


> Finally, if one applies Tai Chi in the Wado class you are not
> practicing Wado
Sorry but I think that you misread my previous post - I DO wado at
the wado class - the story I told was what happened at a Ju-Jitsu
class when they did an exercise that was fundamentally similar to the
Tai Chi pushing hands exercise so I had an advantage, which since I
was wearing a white belt, confused the Black Belt I was training
with.

It is (I suggest) quite common with people in the martial arts to
think that belt rank equates to skill - this is sometimes the case
but not always :)

> However,I am saying that 'holes' in an art like
> Wado may have a purpose from an art perspective.
That's an interesting comment, would you care to expand and explain
what you mean? My definition of a 'hole' would be an aspect NOT
covered by an art - a simple example would be that traditional Wado
(certainly as taught in the UK) does not teach Firearms skills (I
mean USE of firearms) - That is NOT a critisism of Wado in any way
but does refer to a combat skill not in that particular art.

All the best.

Robert.
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Robert Agar-Hutton
www.p-k-j.org





Wed May 7, 2008 8:56 pm

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I'm going to disagree on much of this. As Reg noted it might be a bit early in your Wado career to offer much constructive criticism to the art. Essentially...
tenkhan1600
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May 7, 2008
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Hi, ... I wasn't saying that I was aware of any 'holes' just that simply EVERY martial art (including Wado) has holes. ... Sorry but I think that you misread...
Robert Agar-Hutton
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May 7, 2008
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Robert, Hope I did not sound harsh. Limits of the web and all that. Holes as art: Japanese art has, as you likely know, a principle of use of space and...
tenkhan1600
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May 7, 2008
10:25 pm

Hi All, Since I have a fairly decent background in the various styles (Wado Ryu, Uechi Ryu , & Tai Chi) discussed, I'd like to share my views on this cross...
Mike
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May 12, 2008
6:48 pm

Hi guys, For some time now I have been following the new thread, which woke up the forum again. What is surprising to me is, why should anyone think of...
jaron ben yochanan
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May 12, 2008
11:17 pm

Jaron, You should thank your teacher for that post. You have a good school....
tenkhan1600
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He has a general idea how much I thank him and owe him. Thank you yours Jaron --- On Tue, 5/13/08, tenkhan1600 <rgoad@...> wrote: From: tenkhan1600...
jaron ben yochanan
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<What is surprising to me is, why should anyone think of anything else to complement his style and in our case, our Wado.> Why should anyone think of it as a...
kodia1963
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May 13, 2008
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... one was certainly never ... in the numerous wado ... You asked for it...you've got it...lol Next time we will do kk10 on that floor.......
bnashrei
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May 13, 2008
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oi weh --- On Wed, 5/14/08, bnashrei <bnashrei@...> wrote: From: bnashrei <bnashrei@...> Subject: [Wado Forum] Re: Taijiquan To:...
jaron ben yochanan
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May 13, 2008
9:51 pm

... To be on the safe side, I'll ask my 6 year old son to teach me some of his judo breakfalls.... ;-) Igor...
Igor Asselbergs
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May 14, 2008
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Hi All, Jaron said: "What is surprising to me is, why should anyone think of anything else to complement his style and in our case, our Wado." Why ever not? ...
Robert Agar-Hutton
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Hi Rob, "What is surprising to me is, why should anyone think of anything else to complement his style and in our case, our Wado." Why ever not? Because if you...
jaron ben yochanan
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May 13, 2008
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Hello dear fraternity, An interesting point seems to have touched here, as the stated problem is actually following: "can I integrate principles of so called...
jan.houblon
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May 16, 2008
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Ah Richard, there's no doubt in my mind that the wado in various dojo can test one's credulity - which may well stem from that different perspective you speak...
Reg Kear
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May 8, 2008
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Reg, Different perspective can be taken as a license to wreck havoc if it is not an educated perspective. For example, you could have two very legitimate...
tenkhan1600
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May 12, 2008
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Hi Robert, Ah yes, thank you for sharing, and you're absolutely right wado does not teach 'firearms skills' but then it doesn't teach Tank or Submarine warfare...
Reg Kear
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May 8, 2008
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Hi Robert Doing the Wado Katas slowly, I know is not Tai Chi but it does have a calming effect after training, but there is always the traditional warm down,a...
steve greenwood
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May 11, 2008
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Hi Richard, My old sensei had a simple answer to this type of lopsided reasoning that suggests 'a need' for something extraneous to 'complement' wado because ...
Reg Kear
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May 14, 2008
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Hi all, Good to see discussion opening out again. Re. the subject in question: It always prompts a smile from me when someone comes out with the old chestnut ...
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May 14, 2008
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And another thing, since this horse is remaining so very still... I will not claim any expertise in any martial arts but I will say that I have had the honour...
tenkhan1600
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May 14, 2008
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... One needs only to experience one or two throws by Toby Threadgill of SYR, to become painfully aware of the historical importance of breakfall in Wado....
Igor Asselbergs
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May 14, 2008
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... Depends on how you are using the word curriculum. If you mean a written down list of what things you will study as part of kyu or dan gradings then I ...
Gordon Fong
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May 14, 2008
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... I agree, it depends who is out front of the class. It's funny I was thinking about this last night. I currently have a bunch of guys training with me who...
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Igor, I don't know why the teaching of Ukemi seems to have gone missing with some Wado groups. It may be as has been said due to the fact that competitions use...
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Hi Igor, It is not just of 'historical importance' Igor, neither is it hot of the press or flavour of the month, nage waza / ukemi waza is very much part of...
Reg Kear
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Hi Igor, That was something I also never quit understood in Holland. I started out with jiu jitsu and after a year or so added karate and judo to my training....
jaron ben yochanan
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May 15, 2008
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Hi, Just a quick clarification on ukemi in Nihon koryu. The systematic teaching of ukemi as a general skill is a rather modern phenomenon. It was traditionally...
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May 15, 2008
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... So I suppose that means one should learn the breakfall along with the throw in -say- KK10, right? Which means you either learn the breakfall quick, or...
Igor Asselbergs
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... Hi Igor, Old school, new school. From an old koryu snob like myself, sometime new school has its advantages, especially in the realm of common sense injury...
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