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Re: [Wado Forum] Taijiquan

Reg,

Good peripatetic question.

I do NOT imply that kata is lacking in any way when instructed. I
would go as far as to say that under the proper Wado teacher you don't
need Tai Chi at all. However, there may be a value in getting a
different perspective. Also, depending on the club or dojo, you may
need a way to get access to that lesson because the local folks can't
teach it.

RCG
--- In wadokarate@yahoogroups.com, "Reg Kear" <sbkear@...> wrote:
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> Hi Richard,
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> Long time since.
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> I agree with your comment on the difficulty (near impossibility?) of
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> cooling down by use of 'properly done' Tai Chi - to say nothing of
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> heading down the corrosive path of misguided utility - but I would
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> raise an eyebrow at the presupposition intrinsic in your follow up
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> point that kata doesn't already have a focus on structure and posture
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> in ways that are more in keeping with its canon and character.
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> I would agree also the chi kung could fill any gap in the warm down
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> procedure or sequences but again, I would wonder why the gap was
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> there in the first place? In my experience, erm. 'properly done' wado
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> covers the full spectrum and all requirements needed for its process,
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> I mean, do we need any supplementary trimmings.?
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> Hey Richard, being an old wado man you already know this right
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> or do you really think it is lacking something.?.
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> Good to talk with you again.
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> Reg Kear
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> San no Ya.
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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: tenkhan1600
> To: wadokarate@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2008 10:42 AM
> Subject: Re: [Wado Forum] Taijiquan
>
>
> --- In wadokarate@yahoogroups.com, "Robert Agar-Hutton" <robert@>
> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Steve,
> >
> > I think doing kata slowly as a cool down is a fine idea but
don't get
> > it mixed up with Tai Chi - Tai Chi requires you to use your body
in a
> > way that is different to Wado - not better, not worse, just
different.
> >
> > So doing a kata slowly is no more doing Tai Chi than doing a
kata fast
> > would be like running 800 yd hurdles :)
> >
> > All the best.
> >
> > Robert.
> > ---
> > Robert Agar-Hutton.
> >
> It would be difficult, if not impossible to play Tai Chi as a cool
> down exercise. Properly done it very demanding mentally and
> physically. On the other hand if one were to do Tai Chi as part of
> your training regimen you would learn to focus on structure and
> posture in ways that have a direct improvement on you kata.
>
> On the other hand there are Chi Gung exercises that can serve as warm
> up or cool down exercises that augment any physical exercise. Many
> are Tai Chi like in appearance and could serve the purpose you seem to
> seek.
>
> R C Goad
>





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Hi Richard, Long time since. I agree with your comment on the difficulty (near impossibility?) of cooling down by use of 'properly done' Tai Chi - to say...
Reg Kear
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May 7, 2008
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Reg, Good peripatetic question. I do NOT imply that kata is lacking in any way when instructed. I would go as far as to say that under the proper Wado teacher...
tenkhan1600
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May 7, 2008
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Hi Robert, I'm thinking: to make a statement like you have here you'd need to be conversant with both Tai Chi and Wado ryu kata. Can I ask if you are wado...
Reg Kear
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May 7, 2008
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Hi Reg (and All), I have a fairly convoluted martial arts background (see my out of date but soon to be updated webpage at ...
Robert Agar-Hutton
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May 7, 2008
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That's a fairly bold statement Robert and I'm wondering if you can amplify just how say: Uechiryu or Goju would complement Wado when the two systems are...
Reg Kear
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Hi Reg (and All), ... That's me 'Bold' - OK Good Looking and Bold - OK Intelligent, Good Looking and Bold.... (Could go on but don't want to appear big headed)...
Robert Agar-Hutton
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May 7, 2008
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I'm going to disagree on much of this. As Reg noted it might be a bit early in your Wado career to offer much constructive criticism to the art. Essentially...
tenkhan1600
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May 7, 2008
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Hi, ... I wasn't saying that I was aware of any 'holes' just that simply EVERY martial art (including Wado) has holes. ... Sorry but I think that you misread...
Robert Agar-Hutton
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Robert, Hope I did not sound harsh. Limits of the web and all that. Holes as art: Japanese art has, as you likely know, a principle of use of space and...
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May 7, 2008
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Hi All, Since I have a fairly decent background in the various styles (Wado Ryu, Uechi Ryu , & Tai Chi) discussed, I'd like to share my views on this cross...
Mike
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May 12, 2008
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Hi guys, For some time now I have been following the new thread, which woke up the forum again. What is surprising to me is, why should anyone think of...
jaron ben yochanan
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May 12, 2008
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Jaron, You should thank your teacher for that post. You have a good school....
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He has a general idea how much I thank him and owe him. Thank you yours Jaron --- On Tue, 5/13/08, tenkhan1600 <rgoad@...> wrote: From: tenkhan1600...
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<What is surprising to me is, why should anyone think of anything else to complement his style and in our case, our Wado.> Why should anyone think of it as a...
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... one was certainly never ... in the numerous wado ... You asked for it...you've got it...lol Next time we will do kk10 on that floor.......
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oi weh --- On Wed, 5/14/08, bnashrei <bnashrei@...> wrote: From: bnashrei <bnashrei@...> Subject: [Wado Forum] Re: Taijiquan To:...
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... To be on the safe side, I'll ask my 6 year old son to teach me some of his judo breakfalls.... ;-) Igor...
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Hi All, Jaron said: "What is surprising to me is, why should anyone think of anything else to complement his style and in our case, our Wado." Why ever not? ...
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Hi Rob, "What is surprising to me is, why should anyone think of anything else to complement his style and in our case, our Wado." Why ever not? Because if you...
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Hello dear fraternity, An interesting point seems to have touched here, as the stated problem is actually following: "can I integrate principles of so called...
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May 16, 2008
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Ah Richard, there's no doubt in my mind that the wado in various dojo can test one's credulity - which may well stem from that different perspective you speak...
Reg Kear
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May 8, 2008
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Reg, Different perspective can be taken as a license to wreck havoc if it is not an educated perspective. For example, you could have two very legitimate...
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Hi Robert, Ah yes, thank you for sharing, and you're absolutely right wado does not teach 'firearms skills' but then it doesn't teach Tank or Submarine warfare...
Reg Kear
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Hi Robert Doing the Wado Katas slowly, I know is not Tai Chi but it does have a calming effect after training, but there is always the traditional warm down,a...
steve greenwood
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Hi Richard, My old sensei had a simple answer to this type of lopsided reasoning that suggests 'a need' for something extraneous to 'complement' wado because ...
Reg Kear
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Hi all, Good to see discussion opening out again. Re. the subject in question: It always prompts a smile from me when someone comes out with the old chestnut ...
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And another thing, since this horse is remaining so very still... I will not claim any expertise in any martial arts but I will say that I have had the honour...
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... One needs only to experience one or two throws by Toby Threadgill of SYR, to become painfully aware of the historical importance of breakfall in Wado....
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... Depends on how you are using the word curriculum. If you mean a written down list of what things you will study as part of kyu or dan gradings then I ...
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... I agree, it depends who is out front of the class. It's funny I was thinking about this last night. I currently have a bunch of guys training with me who...
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