Hi Toby,

Thank you for your reply,
Great news to hear of the book that's in the works. That's one
to definitely look forward to. I attended one of Mr. Ohgami's
courses some years ago and he's definitely a man of great knowledge
and very approachable when one has a question. a real Gent.

Thanks again.

John.


--- In wadokarate@yahoogroups.com, "tobin_threadgill"
<tthreadgill@...> wrote:
>
> John ,
>
> The Ratai Dori (naked techniques), are techniques that do not depend
on the wearing of a
> uwagi. Most techniques in jujutsu assume the utilization or
> control of ones clothing such as the collar, sleeve or lapel etc...
The Ratai Dori do not. An
> example of techniques considered Ratai Dori would be chokes that do
not utilize the collar
> or gi but instead rely on pressure to the neck applied via the naked
arm.
>
> The Kassatsu are resusitation techniques. Shingo's translation of
them as "saving and
> killing" is rather misleading. Perhaps, "saving from dying" would be
better. They are
> techniques to save an unconscious person who would otherwise die
without intervention.
> Kassatsu is still taught in most good Judo schools where students
are occasionally choked
> unconscious during newaza. Shindo Yoshin ryu includes such unusual
kassatsu as how to
> resusitate a person drowned, hanged or overcome by smoke inhilation.
>
> It should be remebered that techniques such as these, although
listed as part of the Wado
> ryu for its admission into the Butokukai were never actually taught
as part of the Wado ryu
> curriculum. They were included by Ohtsuka to bolster Wado ryu's
perception by the
> Butokukai membership committee as Japanese in origin.
>
> FWIW...Shingo Ohgami and I are in the process of writing a
comprehensive book on the
> history and technical legacy of Shindo Yoshin ryu. We do not have a
publish date as
> research for the book continues. I must say that the greater Wado
community owes
> Shingo Ohgami a huge debt for the years of tireless research he has
undertaken. I have
> had personal access the staggering amount of documentation compiled
by Shingo and am
> convinced no one else alive today has a better or more objective
picture of Wado's
> complete history than he does. When my documentation is combined
with his, a very clear
> picture emerges concerning Wado ryu's roots in classical jujutsu and
its evolution into a
> modern school of budo. Ohtsuka was obviously a renegade genius in a
culture that did
> not apppreciate renegades. This created great cultural and
technical challenges for him
> that he met in ways that remain in many ways controversal. Whatever
his admirers or
> detractors say, Wado ryu remains a vibrant representation of the
melding of classical and
> modern budo, Ohtsuka's living manifestation of "Keiko Shokon" (
Reflecting on the past
> to better meet the challenges of the present. )
>
> ......Watch for a preview of our research in the form of a short
essay on Shindo Yoshin ryu
> soon to be published online at www.koryu.com
>
> Toby Threadgill / TSYR
>
> __________________________
>
>
> --- In wadokarate@yahoogroups.com, "jocho711" <jocho711@> wrote:
> >
> > Dear forum members,
> >
> > The following is taken from Shingo Ohgami's web-page on the
> > History of Wadoryu Karate, and is from the Technical
> > System of Wadoryu By Dr. Fujiwara, presented in 'Wadokai
> > 60 years' ... I was interested to know what the following
> > techniques are/were: 'saving and killing techniques'
> > and with much curiosity 'naked techniques' ?
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > John.
> >
> >
> >
> > Kassatsu Jizaigata 5
> > (Saving and killing techniques)
> > Suikatsu, Rakukatsu, Oukatsu, Yukatsu, Enkatsu, Toukatsu, Dakatsu
> > Shindo Yoshinryu (T.B. - 7)
> >
> > Rataidori 3
> > (Naked techniques)
> > Maedori, Yokodori, Ushirodori, Shindo Yoshinryu
> >
>