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Re: Naked techniques ?/saving and killing.

John ,

The Ratai Dori (naked techniques), are techniques that do not depend on the
wearing of a
uwagi. Most techniques in jujutsu assume the utilization or
control of ones clothing such as the collar, sleeve or lapel etc... The Ratai
Dori do not. An
example of techniques considered Ratai Dori would be chokes that do not utilize
the collar
or gi but instead rely on pressure to the neck applied via the naked arm.

The Kassatsu are resusitation techniques. Shingo's translation of them as
"saving and
killing" is rather misleading. Perhaps, "saving from dying" would be better.
They are
techniques to save an unconscious person who would otherwise die without
intervention.
Kassatsu is still taught in most good Judo schools where students are
occasionally choked
unconscious during newaza. Shindo Yoshin ryu includes such unusual kassatsu as
how to
resusitate a person drowned, hanged or overcome by smoke inhilation.

It should be remebered that techniques such as these, although listed as part of
the Wado
ryu for its admission into the Butokukai were never actually taught as part of
the Wado ryu
curriculum. They were included by Ohtsuka to bolster Wado ryu's perception by
the
Butokukai membership committee as Japanese in origin.

FWIW...Shingo Ohgami and I are in the process of writing a comprehensive book on
the
history and technical legacy of Shindo Yoshin ryu. We do not have a publish date
as
research for the book continues. I must say that the greater Wado community
owes
Shingo Ohgami a huge debt for the years of tireless research he has undertaken.
I have
had personal access the staggering amount of documentation compiled by Shingo
and am
convinced no one else alive today has a better or more objective picture of
Wado's
complete history than he does. When my documentation is combined with his, a
very clear
picture emerges concerning Wado ryu's roots in classical jujutsu and its
evolution into a
modern school of budo. Ohtsuka was obviously a renegade genius in a culture
that did
not apppreciate renegades. This created great cultural and technical challenges
for him
that he met in ways that remain in many ways controversal. Whatever his
admirers or
detractors say, Wado ryu remains a vibrant representation of the melding of
classical and
modern budo, Ohtsuka's living manifestation of "Keiko Shokon" ( Reflecting on
the past
to better meet the challenges of the present. )

......Watch for a preview of our research in the form of a short essay on Shindo
Yoshin ryu
soon to be published online at www.koryu.com

Toby Threadgill / TSYR

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--- In wadokarate@yahoogroups.com, "jocho711" <jocho711@...> wrote:
>
> Dear forum members,
>
> The following is taken from Shingo Ohgami's web-page on the
> History of Wadoryu Karate, and is from the Technical
> System of Wadoryu By Dr. Fujiwara, presented in 'Wadokai
> 60 years' ... I was interested to know what the following
> techniques are/were: 'saving and killing techniques'
> and with much curiosity 'naked techniques' ?
>
> Regards,
>
> John.
>
>
>
> Kassatsu Jizaigata 5
> (Saving and killing techniques)
> Suikatsu, Rakukatsu, Oukatsu, Yukatsu, Enkatsu, Toukatsu, Dakatsu
> Shindo Yoshinryu (T.B. - 7)
>
> Rataidori 3
> (Naked techniques)
> Maedori, Yokodori, Ushirodori, Shindo Yoshinryu
>




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Dear forum members, The following is taken from Shingo Ohgami's web-page on the History of Wadoryu Karate, and is from the Technical System of Wadoryu By Dr....
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Hi John, I'm going to have a semi-educated guess at this: The first 7 end with 'katsu' so this suggests to me that they are techniques for revival, though...
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Hi John, I have heard the term "Naked" chokes used in a modern Jujutsu context, where I believe it is reference to techniques applied direct to the neck / body...
GARY NEEDHAM
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John , The Ratai Dori (naked techniques), are techniques that do not depend on the wearing of a uwagi. Most techniques in jujutsu assume the utilization or ...
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Hi Toby, Thank you for your reply, Great news to hear of the book that's in the works. That's one to definitely look forward to. I attended one of Mr. Ohgami's...
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