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Re: Stance in Pin An Yon Dan

This is what happens when I work too many long hours in a row and I don't write
down well thought out responses. First of all I have no business trying to
explain technical things over the internet because it is usually an exercise in
futility. What it requires is dojo time with your teacher.

I want to take back what I said earlier. Or at least modify it somewhat. Both
ways are correct. It's just a matter what you are doing in your head. Are you
doing it as 2 distinct movements or 1? I was taught to do it as 1. Otsuka
Sensei did it as one. So does most of his senior students. These kata takes
time to learn and maintain. That's why people who know what they are doing
sometimes end up doing things slightly different at different times. Let me
attempt to deconstruct that kette junzuki plus gyakuzuki bit. (I can hear
Gordon in my ear chastising me ..lol) If you focus on the gyakuzuki then you
miss why the gyakuzuki doesn't work. If the technique before is not set up
correctly then the next one won't be as effective. The key to the gyakuzuki is
how you do the kette junzuki. I am making tons of assumption here once again
but you need to drive the junzuki with the knee of the leg you just kicked with.
You kick, retract sharply, then you must drive the same knee forward to move the
whole body forward so the punch has your entire body behind it. When the front
foot plants as a result of the knee driving the body the punch is done. ( Of
course if you land too long then you can't cut your hip because your hip will be
too open.) If you do not drive with your body then your punch is limp and
meaningless so the gyakuzuki follow is also dead. And after you stick that
punch you have to know how to relax it immediately because the retraction
(hikite) drives the gyakuzuki. If tension remains in the junzuki punch then the
gyakuzuki comes out stiff and slow and therefore weak. And of course unless you
know how to cut your hip the gyakuzuki still won't work as effectively. No knee
thrust(body drive) from the kette junzuki then no good gyakuzuki.

This is one techique done in 3 movements. 1)Kette 2)junzuki 3)gyakuzuki. It is
not 2 movements. At least that is the idea that was driven into my head for
years. So someone is going to ask how one would explain the 3rd and 4th
movement of Chinto where there is a distinct shift of the feet when you go from
naname heikodachi to tate seishan. I don't know.......But I think I can do it
right...mileage may vary depending on the day of the week.

If you are still reading this then you are a major karate nerd...

This stuff can't be worked out over the internet. It can only be worked out in
your dojo with your teacher. So why do I bother? Must be my medication.







Fri May 1, 2009 3:16 pm

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Personally, I would say that the foot position doesn't change through the transition of technique from Junzuki to Gyakuzuki. Gary ...
GARY NEEDHAM
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Apr 29, 2009
9:26 pm

Hi Maicon I think we have been down this road before. I believe this technique is not viewed as two separate punches but a double punch and as such the stance...
Eddie Mc Connell
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Apr 29, 2009
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Hi Maicon Going by Shingo Oghamis' book on wado kata. They are two seperate moves one Jun Zuki in Jun Zuki stance and one Gyaku Zuki in Gyaku Zuki stance....
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Apr 30, 2009
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Hi Maicon I have always seen this as a change to gyakazuki stance on the second punch. The reason for this is that unless the hips are opened up by the slight...
David
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Apr 30, 2009
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... Hi, Personally I have always been taught to change from junzuki position to gyakuzuki position, with the appropriate change in foot position. I have never ...
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Apr 30, 2009
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Hi Tim Here's one guy that doesn't make that adjustment http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qtiYXJcIW1k Reg Kear San no Ya. ... From: tim.shaw@... To:...
Reg Kear
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Apr 30, 2009
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... Hi Reg, Oops trumped by the man himself. But, you know as well as I do that there are a lot of things in that piece of film that he doesn't do (and that he...
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Apr 30, 2009
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Here's Suzuki sensei Tim. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F2A_bt3w6MA Reg Kear San no Ya...
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Apr 30, 2009
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More puzzled than ever now. I have it written down from a training session I did with him at the Sobell Centre in 1984. Funny, just watching that, on the...
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timshaw2002
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Apr 30, 2009
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Hi,   As said before that Ohgami sensei's book that Wadokai standarized it to Gyaku zuki dachi. I checked also in Ohtsuka sensei's book and he writes as he...
jaron ben yochanan
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Apr 30, 2009
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Jaron, I've never done it that way. This is Pinan so I guess for beginners it is ok to go from junzuki to gyakuzuki dachi and sometimes I teach beginners to do...
bnashrei
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May 1, 2009
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You got me thinking now. This isn't a wadoryu vs wadokai thing. This is advanced vs wherever you happen to be in your path kind of thing. That is what makes...
bnashrei
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May 1, 2009
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This is what happens when I work too many long hours in a row and I don't write down well thought out responses. First of all I have no business trying to...
bnashrei
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May 1, 2009
3:17 pm

I saw that as well. Maybe it is a case of desired body movement / position driving the foot movement - the cutting in of the hip at the gyakuzuki point? Gary ...
GARY NEEDHAM
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Apr 30, 2009
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No, it's not your imagination Tim. Reg Kear San no Ya www.sannoya.com...
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Apr 30, 2009
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... Hi Maicon Going by Shingo Ohgamis' book on Wado Kata. They are two moves and should be performed as such i.e jun Zuki in jun Zuki stance and Gyaku Zuki in...
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