Went to the opening of Heather Mills' (Paul McCartney's ex-wife) vegan
café vbites yesterday http://www.vbites.com/ Met quite a few of the
crowd who do the vegan fayres around the country, so it was nice to
catch-up.  The food was pretty good (ok NOT really diet food, but...).
  The wait was a little long, but you expect that on the first day (&
with the big crowd), but the staff seemed friendly (& the one's I
talked to were vegan as well so actually knew what you were going on
about :-).  I'd recommend it, but it is a trek out of town if you're
coming from Brighton (just walk west along the promenade for a good
long way if you don't mind walking!).  I had a salad (you get a mix of
3 or 5 small salads in one depending on the size of salad you order) &
some fries (yea fries, it was a planned refeed - I expected I'd
actually be eating worse than I did :-).  Afterwards we hit the beach
for a vegan BBQ a few clever people had thought to organise (that
translates to 'vegans getting drunk on the beach').  I just ate some
more while the others drank.  You don't want to fill up that stomach
with alcohol when you could do it even better with MORE food :-)
Still I expect I'll be eating there again quite often, the only issue
is you have to make a special trip to get there & unless you're a
skater (there's a skate park outside), dog walker (dogs are welcome),
or a parent of a young kiddie (there's a playpark outside the door)
then there's no real reason to be in the area.  I usually jog past it
several time a week, but that's only the halfway point, from there I
jog back, but I'm sure I'll find an excuse to eat there again quite
soon.
Anyway I thought you might be interested in my day,
Speak later I'm off to do legs,

Pete Ryan www.veganbodybuilding.org

Has anyone watched the new movie "Food inc".  If so what do you think about it?
I've not found it released so far in the UK, but hopefully at some point.
anyway, for those who've not heard about it here's a link
http://www.foodincmovie.com/

I've spent the last few days reformatting my PC as I managed to kill
windows over the weekend, so hopefully I'll be updating the site, blog
etc over the next few days.  Just glad to have made it back online!
Speak later,

Pete Ryan www.veganbodybuilding.org

Hello All!

We have started a new section of NaturalBodybuildingEvents.com called "Promoter
Profiles."

http://www.naturalbodybuildingevents.com/promoter_profiles.html

The first group of promoters is...
 
Brian Cannone
New Haven, CT
 
James B. Jefferson
Atlantic City, NJ & Philadelphia, PA
  
Shawna Meyer
St. Louis, MO
 
Jesse & Jennifer Dale
Indiana

http://www.naturalbodybuildingevents.com/promoter_profiles.html

We decided to start this section of my site because I think the promoters often
get overlooked by many in the business who don't realize how much effort goes
into running a quality show and we hope folks will to get to know the promoters
a little better.

If you promote a Natural show from any sanctioning organization and are
interested in having a profile page, please contact me at
NaturalBodybuildingEvents@... for the details.

Have a great day!





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Must be the metabolism is working right....

TR

   ----- Original Message -----
   From: Vegan Bodybuilding
   To: veganbodybuilding@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: Tuesday, June 23, 2009 2:41 PM
   Subject: Re: [VeganBodybuilding] Status Update...





   Nice one Tom - good to see you can go on holiday & still lose fat!
   that's dedication!

   Pete Ryan www.veganbodybuilding.org

   2009/6/23 Tom Rogers <jeditom@...>:
   >
   >
   > Just another update, I have been losing 1 to 1.5 lbs each week and weighed
   > in at 190 lbs this past Sunday. This week looking forward to weighing in
   > around 188.5 lbs or so. BF% coming down 1% each week.
   >
   > Last week I had a vacation in Florida, USA and I trained only a couple times
   > there - wanted to give the body a break. Also did not stay 100% on diet, was
   > about 70-75% compliant, but when I came back, I weighed in LESS than when I
   > left by 1/2 pound. That was a very nice surprise, I expected to weigh in
   > more!
   >
   > Looking really cut, starting to see the ABS (sides and upper) with
   > seperation. Lower ABS will be the last to go I guess. Arms, delts, legs
   > getting very vascular as well. I am seeing veins in places I did not see
   > before. When training at the gym, look almost "show ready" in these body
   > parts - I should definitely be ready - have 20 weeks to go.
   >
   > Jumped training up from Mon-Wed-Fri to M-T-W-Th-F five day split using heavy
   > low rep compound exercises and higher rep isolation exercises after heavy
   > moves are done. Doing Cardio 5 days a week in AM after 1 scoop protein
   > shake, glutamine, and BCAAs. Up to 50 minutes per day now. Doing posing
   > practice on Sundays. Eating 6 meals per day, carb cycling - 2 days no carbs
   > 1700 cals, 2 days low GI carbs only 1850 cals, 2 days high carbs 2050 cals
   > then a CHEAT DAY, this has really helped me alot! And it has not hurt my
   > progress! But at the 12 weeks out mark, I will be dropping the Cheat Day and
   > just continue to cycle carbs as above.
   >
   > I received the poster for my contest, will get the application in after it
   > is out on July 5.
   >
   > Getting really psyched, but after taking some pics, I wonder why I look alot
   > better in the gym mirrors than I do in the camera.
   >
   > I'll post a current pic soon as I can.
   >
   > -TRogers
   >
   > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
   >
   >




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Nice one Tom - good to see you can go on holiday & still lose fat!
that's dedication!

Pete Ryan www.veganbodybuilding.org

2009/6/23 Tom Rogers <jeditom@...>:
>
>
> Just another update, I have been losing 1 to 1.5 lbs each week and weighed
> in at 190 lbs this past Sunday. This week looking forward to weighing in
> around 188.5 lbs or so. BF% coming down 1% each week.
>
> Last week I had a vacation in Florida, USA and I trained only a couple times
> there - wanted to give the body a break. Also did not stay 100% on diet, was
> about 70-75% compliant, but when I came back, I weighed in LESS than when I
> left by 1/2 pound. That was a very nice surprise, I expected to weigh in
> more!
>
> Looking really cut, starting to see the ABS (sides and upper) with
> seperation. Lower ABS will be the last to go I guess. Arms, delts, legs
> getting very vascular as well. I am seeing veins in places I did not see
> before. When training at the gym, look almost "show ready" in these body
> parts - I should definitely be ready - have 20 weeks to go.
>
> Jumped training up from Mon-Wed-Fri to M-T-W-Th-F five day split using heavy
> low rep compound exercises and higher rep isolation exercises after heavy
> moves are done. Doing Cardio 5 days a week in AM after 1 scoop protein
> shake, glutamine, and BCAAs. Up to 50 minutes per day now. Doing posing
> practice on Sundays. Eating 6 meals per day, carb cycling - 2 days no carbs
> 1700 cals, 2 days low GI carbs only 1850 cals, 2 days high carbs 2050 cals
> then a CHEAT DAY, this has really helped me alot! And it has not hurt my
> progress! But at the 12 weeks out mark, I will be dropping the Cheat Day and
> just continue to cycle carbs as above.
>
> I received the poster for my contest, will get the application in after it
> is out on July 5.
>
> Getting really psyched, but after taking some pics, I wonder why I look alot
> better in the gym mirrors than I do in the camera.
>
> I'll post a current pic soon as I can.
>
> -TRogers
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>

Just another update, I have been losing 1 to 1.5 lbs each week and weighed in at
190 lbs this past Sunday. This week looking forward to weighing in around 188.5
lbs or so. BF% coming down 1% each week.

Last week I had a vacation in Florida, USA and I trained only a couple times
there - wanted to give the body a break. Also did not stay 100% on diet, was
about 70-75% compliant, but when I came back, I weighed in LESS than when I left
by 1/2 pound. That was a very nice surprise, I expected to weigh in more!

Looking really cut, starting to see the ABS (sides and upper) with seperation.
Lower ABS will be the last to go I guess. Arms, delts, legs getting very
vascular as well. I am seeing veins in places I did not see before. When
training at the gym, look almost "show ready" in these body parts - I should
definitely be ready - have 20 weeks to go.

Jumped training up from Mon-Wed-Fri to M-T-W-Th-F five day split using heavy low
rep compound exercises and higher rep isolation exercises after heavy moves are
done. Doing Cardio 5 days a week in AM after 1 scoop protein shake, glutamine,
and BCAAs. Up to 50 minutes per day now. Doing posing practice on Sundays.
Eating 6 meals per day, carb cycling - 2 days no carbs 1700 cals, 2 days low GI
carbs only 1850 cals, 2 days high carbs 2050 cals then a CHEAT DAY, this has
really helped me alot! And it has not hurt my progress! But at the 12 weeks out
mark, I will be dropping the Cheat Day and just continue to cycle carbs as
above.

I received the poster for my contest, will get the application in after it is
out on July 5.

Getting really psyched, but after taking some pics, I wonder why I look alot
better in the gym mirrors than I do in the camera.

I'll post a current pic soon as I can.

-TRogers



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Hi all,
  there's a new book all about cycling anatomy.  If it's as good as the
books about bodybuilding anatomy it should be pretty useful to any
cyclists on the list, you can have a look at http://tinyurl.com/mujpaw
Also I've updated the blog with a bit about a new book called "The
vegan cook's bible" that isn't vegan! & another post about a few new
products I found in the local health food shop the other day, both can
be found at http://veganbodybuilding.blogspot.com/

All the best,

Pete Ryan www.veganbodybuilding.org

Hi everyone here's the direct link to Pat's new page
http://www.veganbodybuilding.org/pat-euro_singlelift09.htm  Sounds
like she had a great time & did really well.

Pete Ryan www.veganbodybuilding.org

Hi John,
yea I've tried that, but it's got such a limited selection, you can't
really find ratios of sugars, you can't really get an overall picture
of the carb make-up of the fruits in question.  I was hoping for a
simple list that shows all the sugar & amounts.

Pete Ryan www.veganbodybuilding.org


2009/6/11 megavegan <megavegan@...>:
>
>
> Pete, try http://www.nutritiondata.com/tools/nutrient-search
> enter sucrose, fructose, etc in the "highest in" box then select "fruits and
> fruit juices". You get a pretty comprehensive analysis.
>
> --- In veganbodybuilding@yahoogroups.com, Vegan Bodybuilding <pete@...>
> wrote:
>>
>> Is there a site that tells you the type & % of sugar in common fruits
>> out there (glucose, fructose etc). I thought it might be handy if
>> anyone had stumbled across an easy reference guide.
>>
>> Pete Ryan www.veganbodybuilding.org
>>
>
>

Pete, try http://www.nutritiondata.com/tools/nutrient-search
enter sucrose, fructose, etc in the "highest in" box then select "fruits and
fruit juices". You get a pretty comprehensive analysis.


--- In veganbodybuilding@yahoogroups.com, Vegan Bodybuilding <pete@...> wrote:
>
> Is there a site that tells you the type & % of sugar in common fruits
> out there (glucose, fructose etc).  I thought it might be handy if
> anyone had stumbled across an easy reference guide.
>
> Pete Ryan www.veganbodybuilding.org
>

Is there a site that tells you the type & % of sugar in common fruits
out there (glucose, fructose etc).  I thought it might be handy if
anyone had stumbled across an easy reference guide.

Pete Ryan www.veganbodybuilding.org

Low carbing plant-based style.
There appear advantages for those with cholesterol issues.

Pete Ryan www.veganbodybuilding.org

http://tinyurl.com/mlrs2u

  Arch Intern Med. 2009 Jun 8;169(11):1046-54.
Related Articles

     The effect of a plant-based low-carbohydrate ("eco-atkins") diet
on body weight and blood lipid concentrations in hyperlipidemic
subjects.

     Jenkins DJ, Wong JM, Kendall CW, Esfahani A, Ng VW, Leong TC,
Faulkner DA, Vidgen E, Greaves KA, Paul G, Singer W.

     Clinical Nutrition and Risk Factor Modification Center, St
Michael's Hospital, 61 Queen St E, Toronto, ON M5C 2T2, Canada.
cyril.kendall@....

     BACKGROUND: Low-carbohydrate, high-animal protein diets, which are
advocated for weight loss, may not promote the desired reduction in
low-density lipoprotein cholesterol (LDL-C) concentration. The effect
of exchanging the animal proteins and fats for those of vegetable
origin has not been tested. Our objective was to determine the effect
on weight loss and LDL-C concentration of a low-carbohydrate diet high
in vegetable proteins from gluten, soy, nuts, fruits, vegetables,
cereals, and vegetable oils compared with a high-carbohydrate diet
based on low-fat dairy and whole grain products. METHODS: A total of
47 overweight hyperlipidemic men and women consumed either (1) a
low-carbohydrate (26% of total calories), high-vegetable protein (31%
from gluten, soy, nuts, fruit, vegetables, and cereals), and vegetable
oil (43%) plant-based diet or (2) a high-carbohydrate lacto-ovo
vegetarian diet (58% carbohydrate, 16% protein, and 25% fat) for 4
weeks each in a parallel study design. The study food was provided at
60% of calorie requirements. RESULTS: Of the 47 subjects, 44 (94%)
(test, n = 22 [92%]; control, n = 22 [96%]) completed the study.
Weight loss was similar for both diets (approximately 4.0 kg).
However, reductions in LDL-C concentration and total cholesterol-HDL-C
and apolipoprotein B-apolipoprotein AI ratios were greater for the
low-carbohydrate compared with the high-carbohydrate diet (-8.1% [P =
.002], -8.7% [P = .004], and -9.6% [P = .001], respectively).
Reductions in systolic and diastolic blood pressure were also seen
(-1.9% [P = .052] and -2.4% [P = .02], respectively). CONCLUSION: A
low-carbohydrate plant-based diet has lipid-lowering advantages over a
high-carbohydrate, low-fat weight-loss diet in improving heart disease
risk factors not seen with conventional low-fat diets with animal
products. Trial Registration clinicaltrials.gov Identifier:
NCT00256516.

this is way off topic, but I decided to add it up (perks of running
the list).  If everyone could take a second & go to
http://tinyurl.com/ll5lo6 & vote for 'D'.  It's a bit of work from a
vegan sculpture.  You'd be doing me a real favour

Forgot to tell you: the new manager at our gym has brought in three new pairs of
dumbbells ...34kg, 38kg, 42kg. 42kg, I can use for shrugs, low-rep one arm rows;
seems way too heavy for anything else. But hey, this time next year, I expect
I'll be asking him for something heavier. Maybe :o)


--- In veganbodybuilding@yahoogroups.com, Vegan Bodybuilding <pete@...> wrote:
>
> You work with what you've got, I'm sure you'd find methods of working
> around issues.  You might even be doing that now, as we've all got
> limitations.  For a start your gym is pretty limited, yet you get
> around that & train ok.  I'd find it hard to work in such a limited
> environment, but you do really well in it.  As time goes on you know
> you'll have to think of other ways to work around those limitations
> like pre-exhausting bodyparts etc, so you can keep making gains with
> limited equipment.  You may have bodyparts that respond slowly &
> you'll have to figure out how to get those up with the rest.  For me
> that's the limbs, I've got real 'ecto limbs', both arms & legs need to
> be built as they're smaller in proportion than I think they should be
> when compared to my trunk (which I think looks ok).
> Right better go & eat.
> Speak later,
>
> Pete Ryan www.veganbodybuilding.org
>
> 2009/6/10 megavegan <megavegan@...>:
> >
> >
> > These elbow injuries, Pete, I was going to suggest you might not be eating
> > enough ... then realized if YOU ate any more, it would cause a global
> > famine.
> > Good to hear the experiment's working, though; such constraints on training
> > choices would spoil workouts for me.
> >
> > --- In veganbodybuilding@yahoogroups.com, Vegan Bodybuilding <pete@>
> > wrote:
> >>
> >> The answer to that is yes. I've hit new heights in my arm lifts &
> >> several people have mention my arms look better. I have tried several
> >> times a week training for arms, but, especially for triceps, I can
> >> easily get elbow issues, with several times a week training I get a
> >> few weeks good gains, then I'm forced to back off due to pain issues,
> >> this hasn't happened using this system...so far. As for
> >> enjoyment..hitting a heavier weight every week, without fail for 6
> >> months...yea I enjoyed that :-). If I can even get a few more months
> >> before I hit a wall I'd like to try it...if for no other reason than
> >> to find out where the wall is.
> >> I think John, I'm not constructed as sturdily as you, nor do I respond
> >> quite as readily to exercise stimuli as you. Overuse injuries are
> >> pretty easy for me to acquire if I hit bodyparts multiple times a
> >> week. You also have that phenomenal recovery where you can hit set
> >> after set with very little recovery time, I don't have that either.
> >> Probably your gains have been more than mine, but for me compared my
> >> previous gains in a similar time frame, it's been exceptional. If
> >> someone is getting good gains, then I wouldn't suggest they change
> >> what they're doing, but keep going until the gains dry up, then maybe
> >> consider a change. I'm just holding myself to the same standard..the
> >> gains don't seem to have dried up yet, so why change it quite yet.
> >>
> >> Pete Ryan www.veganbodybuilding.org
> >>
> >> 2009/6/10 megavegan <megavegan@>:
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > The time comes, Pete, when you have to ask yourself: Is this working?
> >> > ... Is
> >> > it??
> >> > I began concentrating on biceps from the time you started this
> >> > experiment -
> >> > variety of exercises, variety of loads and rep ranges, between 2 and 4
> >> > times
> >> > a week in phases, and I've had excellent gains.
> >> > Also, are you enjoying it? You're never going to perform optimally if
> >> > you're
> >> > not.
> >> > - John
> >> >
> >> > --- In veganbodybuilding@yahoogroups.com, Vegan Bodybuilding <pete@>
> >> > wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> As I suspect May early June was an issue as I was away at Bristol,
> >> >> then Turin, so I missed a couple of sessions. I've been 100%
> >> >> consistent for 6 months, so missing a week or 2 isn't a biggie. I've
> >> >> been hit by a bad cold (I expect it's an Italian cold-nasty they are
> >> >> :-), so I don't expect to hit the gym until the weekend. When I do
> >> >> I'll lower the weight a bit, take 4 weeks to get back up to where I
> >> >> was, then continue. I might consider changing the tricep
> >> >> movement...I'll think about that a few days as I had reach just about
> >> >> finish point on that I believe.
> >> >> Anyway round 2 of the arm challenge will be kicking off around this
> >> >> weekend - if anyone else fancies joining in on then, the company is
> >> >> always welcome :-). How have you done with your arms over the last 6
> >> >> months? Mine have improved quite a bit & by Jan 1 2010 they should be
> >> >> really starting to look better (being naturally ectomorphic my arms
> >> >> tend towards being a bit stringy).
> >> >> Right I'm off to lay down for a bit,
> >> >>
> >> >> Pete Ryan www.veganbodybuilding.org
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >
> >
>

You work with what you've got, I'm sure you'd find methods of working
around issues.  You might even be doing that now, as we've all got
limitations.  For a start your gym is pretty limited, yet you get
around that & train ok.  I'd find it hard to work in such a limited
environment, but you do really well in it.  As time goes on you know
you'll have to think of other ways to work around those limitations
like pre-exhausting bodyparts etc, so you can keep making gains with
limited equipment.  You may have bodyparts that respond slowly &
you'll have to figure out how to get those up with the rest.  For me
that's the limbs, I've got real 'ecto limbs', both arms & legs need to
be built as they're smaller in proportion than I think they should be
when compared to my trunk (which I think looks ok).
Right better go & eat.
Speak later,

Pete Ryan www.veganbodybuilding.org

2009/6/10 megavegan <megavegan@...>:
>
>
> These elbow injuries, Pete, I was going to suggest you might not be eating
> enough ... then realized if YOU ate any more, it would cause a global
> famine.
> Good to hear the experiment's working, though; such constraints on training
> choices would spoil workouts for me.
>
> --- In veganbodybuilding@yahoogroups.com, Vegan Bodybuilding <pete@...>
> wrote:
>>
>> The answer to that is yes. I've hit new heights in my arm lifts &
>> several people have mention my arms look better. I have tried several
>> times a week training for arms, but, especially for triceps, I can
>> easily get elbow issues, with several times a week training I get a
>> few weeks good gains, then I'm forced to back off due to pain issues,
>> this hasn't happened using this system...so far. As for
>> enjoyment..hitting a heavier weight every week, without fail for 6
>> months...yea I enjoyed that :-). If I can even get a few more months
>> before I hit a wall I'd like to try it...if for no other reason than
>> to find out where the wall is.
>> I think John, I'm not constructed as sturdily as you, nor do I respond
>> quite as readily to exercise stimuli as you. Overuse injuries are
>> pretty easy for me to acquire if I hit bodyparts multiple times a
>> week. You also have that phenomenal recovery where you can hit set
>> after set with very little recovery time, I don't have that either.
>> Probably your gains have been more than mine, but for me compared my
>> previous gains in a similar time frame, it's been exceptional. If
>> someone is getting good gains, then I wouldn't suggest they change
>> what they're doing, but keep going until the gains dry up, then maybe
>> consider a change. I'm just holding myself to the same standard..the
>> gains don't seem to have dried up yet, so why change it quite yet.
>>
>> Pete Ryan www.veganbodybuilding.org
>>
>> 2009/6/10 megavegan <megavegan@...>:
>> >
>> >
>> > The time comes, Pete, when you have to ask yourself: Is this working?
>> > ... Is
>> > it??
>> > I began concentrating on biceps from the time you started this
>> > experiment -
>> > variety of exercises, variety of loads and rep ranges, between 2 and 4
>> > times
>> > a week in phases, and I've had excellent gains.
>> > Also, are you enjoying it? You're never going to perform optimally if
>> > you're
>> > not.
>> > - John
>> >
>> > --- In veganbodybuilding@yahoogroups.com, Vegan Bodybuilding <pete@>
>> > wrote:
>> >>
>> >> As I suspect May early June was an issue as I was away at Bristol,
>> >> then Turin, so I missed a couple of sessions. I've been 100%
>> >> consistent for 6 months, so missing a week or 2 isn't a biggie. I've
>> >> been hit by a bad cold (I expect it's an Italian cold-nasty they are
>> >> :-), so I don't expect to hit the gym until the weekend. When I do
>> >> I'll lower the weight a bit, take 4 weeks to get back up to where I
>> >> was, then continue. I might consider changing the tricep
>> >> movement...I'll think about that a few days as I had reach just about
>> >> finish point on that I believe.
>> >> Anyway round 2 of the arm challenge will be kicking off around this
>> >> weekend - if anyone else fancies joining in on then, the company is
>> >> always welcome :-). How have you done with your arms over the last 6
>> >> months? Mine have improved quite a bit & by Jan 1 2010 they should be
>> >> really starting to look better (being naturally ectomorphic my arms
>> >> tend towards being a bit stringy).
>> >> Right I'm off to lay down for a bit,
>> >>
>> >> Pete Ryan www.veganbodybuilding.org
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>>
>
>

These elbow injuries, Pete, I was going to suggest you might not be eating
enough ... then realized if YOU ate any more, it would cause a global famine.
Good to hear the experiment's working, though; such constraints on training
choices would spoil workouts for me.

--- In veganbodybuilding@yahoogroups.com, Vegan Bodybuilding <pete@...> wrote:
>
> The answer to that is yes.  I've hit new heights in my arm lifts &
> several people have mention my arms look better.  I have tried several
> times a week training for arms, but, especially for triceps, I can
> easily get elbow issues, with several times a week training I get a
> few weeks good gains, then I'm forced to back off due to pain issues,
> this hasn't happened using this system...so far.  As for
> enjoyment..hitting a heavier weight every week, without fail for 6
> months...yea I enjoyed that :-).  If I can even get a few more months
> before I hit a wall I'd like to try it...if for no other reason than
> to find out where the wall is.
> I think John, I'm not constructed as sturdily as you, nor do I respond
> quite as readily to exercise stimuli as you.  Overuse injuries are
> pretty easy for me to acquire if I hit bodyparts multiple times a
> week.  You also have that phenomenal recovery where you can hit set
> after set with very little recovery time, I don't have that either.
> Probably your gains have been more than mine, but for me compared my
> previous gains in a similar time frame, it's been exceptional.  If
> someone is getting good gains, then I wouldn't suggest they change
> what they're doing, but keep going until the gains dry up, then maybe
> consider a change.  I'm just holding myself to the same standard..the
> gains don't seem to have dried up yet, so why change it quite yet.
>
> Pete Ryan www.veganbodybuilding.org
>
> 2009/6/10 megavegan <megavegan@...>:
> >
> >
> > The time comes, Pete, when you have to ask yourself: Is this working? ... Is
> > it??
> > I began concentrating on biceps from the time you started this experiment -
> > variety of exercises, variety of loads and rep ranges, between 2 and 4 times
> > a week in phases, and I've had excellent gains.
> > Also, are you enjoying it? You're never going to perform optimally if you're
> > not.
> > - John
> >
> > --- In veganbodybuilding@yahoogroups.com, Vegan Bodybuilding <pete@>
> > wrote:
> >>
> >> As I suspect May early June was an issue as I was away at Bristol,
> >> then Turin, so I missed a couple of sessions. I've been 100%
> >> consistent for 6 months, so missing a week or 2 isn't a biggie. I've
> >> been hit by a bad cold (I expect it's an Italian cold-nasty they are
> >> :-), so I don't expect to hit the gym until the weekend. When I do
> >> I'll lower the weight a bit, take 4 weeks to get back up to where I
> >> was, then continue. I might consider changing the tricep
> >> movement...I'll think about that a few days as I had reach just about
> >> finish point on that I believe.
> >> Anyway round 2 of the arm challenge will be kicking off around this
> >> weekend - if anyone else fancies joining in on then, the company is
> >> always welcome :-). How have you done with your arms over the last 6
> >> months? Mine have improved quite a bit & by Jan 1 2010 they should be
> >> really starting to look better (being naturally ectomorphic my arms
> >> tend towards being a bit stringy).
> >> Right I'm off to lay down for a bit,
> >>
> >> Pete Ryan www.veganbodybuilding.org
> >>
> >
> >
>

The answer to that is yes.  I've hit new heights in my arm lifts &
several people have mention my arms look better.  I have tried several
times a week training for arms, but, especially for triceps, I can
easily get elbow issues, with several times a week training I get a
few weeks good gains, then I'm forced to back off due to pain issues,
this hasn't happened using this system...so far.  As for
enjoyment..hitting a heavier weight every week, without fail for 6
months...yea I enjoyed that :-).  If I can even get a few more months
before I hit a wall I'd like to try it...if for no other reason than
to find out where the wall is.
I think John, I'm not constructed as sturdily as you, nor do I respond
quite as readily to exercise stimuli as you.  Overuse injuries are
pretty easy for me to acquire if I hit bodyparts multiple times a
week.  You also have that phenomenal recovery where you can hit set
after set with very little recovery time, I don't have that either.
Probably your gains have been more than mine, but for me compared my
previous gains in a similar time frame, it's been exceptional.  If
someone is getting good gains, then I wouldn't suggest they change
what they're doing, but keep going until the gains dry up, then maybe
consider a change.  I'm just holding myself to the same standard..the
gains don't seem to have dried up yet, so why change it quite yet.

Pete Ryan www.veganbodybuilding.org

2009/6/10 megavegan <megavegan@...>:
>
>
> The time comes, Pete, when you have to ask yourself: Is this working? ... Is
> it??
> I began concentrating on biceps from the time you started this experiment -
> variety of exercises, variety of loads and rep ranges, between 2 and 4 times
> a week in phases, and I've had excellent gains.
> Also, are you enjoying it? You're never going to perform optimally if you're
> not.
> - John
>
> --- In veganbodybuilding@yahoogroups.com, Vegan Bodybuilding <pete@...>
> wrote:
>>
>> As I suspect May early June was an issue as I was away at Bristol,
>> then Turin, so I missed a couple of sessions. I've been 100%
>> consistent for 6 months, so missing a week or 2 isn't a biggie. I've
>> been hit by a bad cold (I expect it's an Italian cold-nasty they are
>> :-), so I don't expect to hit the gym until the weekend. When I do
>> I'll lower the weight a bit, take 4 weeks to get back up to where I
>> was, then continue. I might consider changing the tricep
>> movement...I'll think about that a few days as I had reach just about
>> finish point on that I believe.
>> Anyway round 2 of the arm challenge will be kicking off around this
>> weekend - if anyone else fancies joining in on then, the company is
>> always welcome :-). How have you done with your arms over the last 6
>> months? Mine have improved quite a bit & by Jan 1 2010 they should be
>> really starting to look better (being naturally ectomorphic my arms
>> tend towards being a bit stringy).
>> Right I'm off to lay down for a bit,
>>
>> Pete Ryan www.veganbodybuilding.org
>>
>
>

The time comes, Pete, when you have to ask yourself: Is this working? ... Is
it??
I began concentrating on biceps from the time you started this experiment -
variety of exercises, variety of loads and rep ranges, between 2 and 4 times a
week in phases, and I've had excellent gains.
Also, are you enjoying it? You're never going to perform optimally if you're
not.
- John

--- In veganbodybuilding@yahoogroups.com, Vegan Bodybuilding <pete@...> wrote:
>
> As I suspect May early June was an issue as I was away at Bristol,
> then Turin, so I missed a couple of sessions.  I've been 100%
> consistent for 6 months, so missing a week or 2 isn't a biggie.  I've
> been hit by a bad cold (I expect it's an Italian cold-nasty they are
> :-), so I don't expect to hit the gym until the weekend.  When I do
> I'll lower the weight a bit, take 4 weeks to get back up to where I
> was, then continue.  I might consider changing the tricep
> movement...I'll think about that a few days as I had reach just about
> finish point on that I believe.
> Anyway round 2 of the arm challenge will be kicking off around this
> weekend - if anyone else fancies joining in on then, the company is
> always welcome :-).  How have you done with your arms over the last 6
> months?  Mine have improved quite a bit & by Jan 1 2010 they should be
> really starting to look better (being naturally ectomorphic my arms
> tend towards being a bit stringy).
> Right I'm off to lay down for a bit,
>
> Pete Ryan www.veganbodybuilding.org
>

As I suspect May early June was an issue as I was away at Bristol,
then Turin, so I missed a couple of sessions.  I've been 100%
consistent for 6 months, so missing a week or 2 isn't a biggie.  I've
been hit by a bad cold (I expect it's an Italian cold-nasty they are
:-), so I don't expect to hit the gym until the weekend.  When I do
I'll lower the weight a bit, take 4 weeks to get back up to where I
was, then continue.  I might consider changing the tricep
movement...I'll think about that a few days as I had reach just about
finish point on that I believe.
Anyway round 2 of the arm challenge will be kicking off around this
weekend - if anyone else fancies joining in on then, the company is
always welcome :-).  How have you done with your arms over the last 6
months?  Mine have improved quite a bit & by Jan 1 2010 they should be
really starting to look better (being naturally ectomorphic my arms
tend towards being a bit stringy).
Right I'm off to lay down for a bit,

Pete Ryan www.veganbodybuilding.org

After losing this write-up once.  Here it is, everything you need to
know about our adventures abroad in sunny Italy
http://www.veganbodybuilding.org/turin09.htm

Pete Ryan www.veganbodybuilding.org

Hello,

Here are the updates for 06/08/2009

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Thanks for the advice! I went back on to bcaa's and glutamine as a result. You
convinced me.




On May 29, 2009, at 1:53 AM, Vegan Bodybuilding <pete@...>
wrote:



Hi Mitch,
first of all I'd say you have probably chosen the least proven
supplement to keep in. I'll add the latest piece of research about
arginine at the end (& of course if you have coldsores steer well
clear as well).
Now onto the other supplements. Do not take any of the amino acids
with protein. The basic process as I understand it goes like this.
The idea of taking amino acids is to get those amino acids into the
muscle tissues & not used for other functions. All amino acids have
one big hurdle to get over before they reach the muscles & that is the
liver. All proteins are broken down into single amino acids & some bi
& tri chains of amino acids before they can be assimilated, so
everything hitting the liver is basically amino acids. One function
of the liver is to recombine these to proteins for the body to use in
all it's functions around the body, skeletal muscle is a low priority
job, so if you have a whole protein with your amino acids, then:
1/ The amino acid trickles into the body slowly & the liver siphons it
off for other functions
2/ Is mixed with a good ratio of other amino acids which helps &
encourages the liver to use these amino acids for other bodily
functions.
The idea of taking the separate amino acid in fairly large doses is
that amino acids are assimilated fast. If you take amino acids, then
within 15-20 minutes they are inside you. When they hit the liver,
it's like a tsunami of 1 or 2 amino acids. The liver does have
reserves of amino acids ready to produce proteins, but such is the
concentrations that the amino acid overwhelms the liver & released
into the blood on mass. Now this huge flood has to be put somewhere &
once you start training your body recognises that there's loads of
this substance available & doesn't breakdown skeletal muscle to obtain
it.
During exercise BCAA's are used for fuel. All exercise uses BCAA's
you'll either get it from blood concentrations first, but if those run
out the next source is skeletal muscle, so you'll burn muscle to fuel
your workouts. The BCAA leucine has also been shown to be a major
anabolic trigger. High levels are one trigger for your body to send
the 'grow' signal to the muscles.
Glutamine is the amino acid used to neutralise low ph (along with
calcium from circulating blood &, if necessary bone) & training makes
you temporarily acidic, so again once blood stores are used up, it's
those muscles that have to supply the glutamine, so again they shrink
as train. Glutamine also has many other functions:
1/Glutamine is the preferred fuel source of the gut. When you take
glutamine a fair % will be assimilated by the gut. Glutamine improves
gut function. Many think this a waste, but think a moment. If the
gut is functioning well, then you are assimilating more...so more of
your food is being assimilated, so you will be getting more nutrition,
so more size &/or strength.
2/ Glutamine improves immune function. So you won't get ill so much,
so you're be more consistent, so you're gain more strength over time,
so you'll get bigger &/or stronger over time.
3/Glutamine aids recover. Most work has been done with people with
serious medical conditions (like bad burns, serious operations etc),
but people recover better using gluatmine. Now think what training is
thought to do. Lifting weights causes micro-tears in muscle fibres
which then have to heal (& grow just that tiny bit bigger). We know
glutamine helps healing & training is an injury that needs healing, so
wouldn't it make some sense that you would recover faster from a
training session by including glutamine?

Both BCAA's & glutamine aren't 'sexy' supplements that promise 10
pounds of muscle in 30 days, or have the often big initial gains of
creatine, but over the long haul I believe they add up to more gains
that 90% of stuff out there.
Actually my growing supplements of choice are:
1/ Protein powder
2/ BCAA's
3/ Glutamine
4/ Creatine
You don't need more than that (a multi vit, B12 & some EFA source for
overall health as well). Yes take more if you like, but those are the
basics.

Here's how I'd take them pre-workout

Have a meal or protein shake an hour or so before a workout. The meal
should be low fat/high protein with some complex carbs, the shake
should have some lower GI carbs included (assuming you're not
dieting). Eat early enough that the food has time to move out of the
stomach before training. A little while before training (& once the
stomach has emptied) take your BCAA's, glutamine & creatine. That
will hit your stomach & be assimilated very quickly as there is no
need for the body to take the time breaking it down, it just goes
straight in. Now start your warm-up & off you go.

Below I'll include the latest arginine research from April this year.

Pete Ryan www.veganbodybuilding,org

http://tinyurl.com/pnpzpx

1: Med Sci Sports Exerc. 2009 Apr;41(4):773-9.Click here to read Links
Hemodynamic and vascular response to resistance exercise with L-arginine.
Fahs CA, Heffernan KS, Fernhall B.

Department of Kinesiology and Community Health, Exercise and
Cardiovascular Research Laboratory, University of Illinois at
Urbana-Champaign, Champaign, IL 61820, USA.

PURPOSE: L-arginine, the precursor to nitric oxide (NO), has been
shown to improve endothelial function in patients with endothelial
dysfunction. Resistance exercise has been shown to increase arterial
stiffness acutely with no definitive cause. It is possible that a
reduction in NO bioavailability is responsible for this. The purpose
of this study was to examine the effect of acute L-arginine
supplementation and resistance exercise on arterial function. METHODS:
Eighteen (N = 18) young men (24.2 +/- 0.7 yr) volunteered for this
study. In a crossover design, subjects underwent body composition
testing, 1-repetition maximum testing for the bench press and the
biceps curls and performed two acute bouts of resistance exercise in
which they consumed either placebo or 7 g L-arginine before each
resistance exercise bout. Anthropometric measures, augmentation index
(AIx), arterial stiffness, and forearm blood flow (FBF) were assessed
before and after each treatment condition. RESULTS: There were
significant (P < 0.05) time effects after the resistance exercise;
there was a reduction in brachial stiffness (P = 0.0001), an increase
in central aortic stiffness (P = 0.004), an increase in AIx (P =
0.023), an increase in FBF (P = 0.000), and an increase in arm
circumference (P = 0.0001) after exercise. CONCLUSIONS: The increase
in central arterial stiffness and wave reflection was not attenuated
by acute supplementation with L-arginine; furthermore, blood flow was
not augmented with supplementation. On the basis of these data,
l-arginine does not appear to change the hemodynamic and vascular
responses to resistance exercise.

2009/5/28 mitch <mitchseaman2000@...>:
>
>
>
>
> Had a question about pre-workout supplements. Right now i'm taking 4g
> arginine, 4g glutamine, and 4 bcaa capsules, i forget how much of each bcaa.
> Whatever is in the recommended dose of the only vegan ones i've ever seen at
> seattle super supplements. Since i keep reading to take these by themselves,
> as aminos compete for the same receptors, at what point am i basically
> taking protein and have lost the benefits of each of these aminos
> individually? Am i missing something obvious?
>
> I'm thinking of cutting them all out except arginine, as that's the only one
> that seems to make much noticeable difference pre-workout. If i take
> glutamine in all protein shakes i can tell a big overall difference, and
> bcaa's don't seem to change anything.
>
> -Mitch
>
>

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The food is included - they really didn't think that one through did
they :-) Me, an off-season Robbie, Maz the gob (not just for his
talking abilities is he 'le gob'!) & Liz (ok she probably eats like a
normal person).  Rationing in Italy by the end of the weekend, that's
my prediction :-)

Pete Ryan www.veganbodybuilding.org

2009/6/4 megavegan <megavegan@...>:
>
>
> Hope it goes well, Pete. Pack plenty of food. Doubt there'll be enough in
> Turin to last YOU three days :o) Bring me back a XL suntan.
>
> --- In veganbodybuilding@yahoogroups.com, Vegan Bodybuilding <pete@...>
> wrote:
>>
>> Hi all,
>> just packing & stuff for my trip to the Turin Vegfest. Despite the
>> bad weather warning I'm looking forward to seeing how vegan athletes
>> are doing in Europe. I won't be around from tomorrow until Monday,
>> then I'll be upping the new webpage of our travels. In the meantime
>> our very own John Machin will (I hope) be taking the helm of our list
>> & any issues he's the man to ask.
>> My training has suffered a bit this last week, but hopefully I'll get
>> back on track after this trip.
>> If anyone's going to the vegfest. I hope you'll be popping over to
>> say Hi to us & help with a bit of translating :-)
>> Speak to you all soon & put up what you're doing training-wise & how
>> you've got on over the last 6 months of training - it's June-time for
>> the mid-year review. Are you closer to your goals than on Jan 1st?
>> Right back to the packing :-)
>>
>> Pete Ryan www.veganbodybuilding.org
>>
>> PS Just posted up a bit about Robbie on his blog - it's a picture of
>> him as a young bodybuilder & today (well last year)
>> http://robbiehazeley.blogspot.com/2009/06/young-robbie.html
>>
>
>

Hope it goes well, Pete. Pack plenty of food. Doubt there'll be enough in Turin
to last YOU three days :o) Bring me back a XL suntan.

--- In veganbodybuilding@yahoogroups.com, Vegan Bodybuilding <pete@...> wrote:
>
> Hi all,
> just packing & stuff for my trip to the Turin Vegfest.  Despite the
> bad weather warning I'm looking forward to seeing how vegan athletes
> are doing in Europe.  I won't be around from tomorrow until Monday,
> then I'll be upping the new webpage of our travels. In the meantime
> our very own John Machin will (I hope) be taking the helm of our list
> & any issues he's the man to ask.
> My training has suffered a bit this last week, but hopefully I'll get
> back on track after this trip.
> If anyone's going to the vegfest.  I hope you'll be popping over to
> say Hi to us & help with a bit of translating :-)
> Speak to you all soon & put up what you're doing training-wise & how
> you've got on over the last 6 months of training - it's June-time for
> the mid-year review.  Are you closer to your goals than on Jan 1st?
> Right back to the packing :-)
>
> Pete Ryan www.veganbodybuilding.org
>
> PS Just posted up a bit about Robbie on his blog - it's a picture of
> him as a young bodybuilder & today (well last year)
> http://robbiehazeley.blogspot.com/2009/06/young-robbie.html
>

Hi all,
just packing & stuff for my trip to the Turin Vegfest.  Despite the
bad weather warning I'm looking forward to seeing how vegan athletes
are doing in Europe.  I won't be around from tomorrow until Monday,
then I'll be upping the new webpage of our travels. In the meantime
our very own John Machin will (I hope) be taking the helm of our list
& any issues he's the man to ask.
My training has suffered a bit this last week, but hopefully I'll get
back on track after this trip.
If anyone's going to the vegfest.  I hope you'll be popping over to
say Hi to us & help with a bit of translating :-)
Speak to you all soon & put up what you're doing training-wise & how
you've got on over the last 6 months of training - it's June-time for
the mid-year review.  Are you closer to your goals than on Jan 1st?
Right back to the packing :-)

Pete Ryan www.veganbodybuilding.org

PS Just posted up a bit about Robbie on his blog - it's a picture of
him as a young bodybuilder & today (well last year)
http://robbiehazeley.blogspot.com/2009/06/young-robbie.html

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Hi all,
just finished updating the site.  Here's how our weekend went in
Bristol http://www.veganbodybuilding.org/bristol09.htm
All the best,

Pete Ryan www.veganbodybuilding.org

Just wanted to touch base...I have applied the things Pete had mentioned to me
as far as how to diet for a Bodybuilding show. I was super psyched when I
weighed in Saturday AM. Last Sunday I was 196.2 lbs and not moving down in a
week or two, but Saturday I weighed in at  193.2 lbs. Now because Sunday I
always seemed to be up more than Friday, I weighed in Sunday as well....192.6
lbs! I was really surprised, but when I entered the BF% numbers into my
spreadsheet, I was really depressed to see that most of what I lost was LBM, not
BF!

I averaged 2100 cals per day that week 40% Protein, 31% Carbs, 29% Fats - gonna
see how this week goes with the current diet plan I am using, and the BB/Cardio
Training plan and if I lose LBM again, I will make changes immediately. Still
going to apply what Pete said, but in a different way. I may need to put carbs
around 40% or more as they spare LBM and protein - but I want to cycle them, and
lower fats to 15%.

Right now I do BB 3 days per week, M-W-F at 6pm and Cardio before Meal 1
M-T-W-Th-F.

Mon/Wed will be Treadmill for 47 minutes, Tue/Thur will be HIiT on the Eliptical
for 22 minutes, Fri will be Recumbent Bike for 45 minutes.

BB is about 50 minutes each day, 3 sets per exercise, 3 exercises per body part,
each set to positive failure, heavy as I can - First exercise per bodypart has a
warm up set NTF. I try to limit rest between sets/exercises to 60 seconds. Legs
120 seconds.

I am eating 6 meals per day, 2.5 - 3 hours apart. Mon/Tue low carbs (green
veggies) protein and fats, Wed/Thur medium carbs (low GI clean starchy carbs -
none last meal), Fri/Sat high carbs (clean starchy carbs - none last meal)

Funny thing, when I train, I am looking really cut in the upper body (except
lower ABS).

I spent 2.5 hours yesterday shaving to start tanning and to be really visible
when I take photos this week. Will take progress pics the rest of the way -
about 5.5 months left to Nov 7 2009 show. I am going to try to do a video about
my bodybuilding story/journey headed towards my first show.

Getting a BodPod and skin caliper BF% assessment done June 26, 2009 to see how
close my BF% calculations are at home. According to my current calculations, I
should come in around 4-6% BF at 164-168lbs, we'll see.

-Tom Rogers



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Just about to leave for Bristol, but generally yes amino go in best on
an empty stomach.  Some contest prep guys have postulated that heavy
molecular weight carbs (like waxy maize) 'might' speed intake, but
there's no research on that & is only a hypothesis so for now I'd
stick with empty.  Definitely no proteins or fats as they slow
assimilation.

Pete Ryan www.veganbodybuilding.org

2009/5/29 Imran Ali <imranali7777@...>:
>
>
> Good conversation here. So, should one take aminos on an empty stomach? Or
> with any food?
>
> "Politics is the shadow cast on society by big business... the attenuation
> of the shadow will not change the substance." -John Dewey
>
> ________________________________
> From: megavegan <megavegan@...>
> To: veganbodybuilding@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Friday, May 29, 2009 4:08:50 AM
> Subject: [veganbodybuilding] Re: pre-workout
>
> Mitch, every major supplement manufacturer produces a pre-workout
> formula, often containing over 30 different anabolic ingredients -
> including 6-10 amino acids in combination.
> Think the key with absorption is the amount you're taking of each amino.
> 5g of each isn't a problem. Also, many aminos combine to produce even
> better results than when taken singly - beta-alanine and creatine;
> arginine and glutamine, for instance.
> If you're still worried about combining, take half, then the other half
> 15 minutes later. Absorption of aminos is very fast.
> BCAAs, although you may not notice it, are having an effect of improving
> performance. I'd stick with them, or just use leucine, the most potent
> amino in BCAAs. Increase the dose to 10g; powder's better than capsules.
> Other pre-workout nutrients to consider: taurine 1-3g, creatine 5g,
> beta-alanine 1-3g, citrulline malate 3g, caffeine 200mg.
>
> --- In veganbodybuilding@ yahoogroups. com, mitch <mitchseaman2000@ ...>
> wrote:
>
>> Had a question about pre-workout supplements. Right now i'm taking 4g
> arginine, 4g glutamine, and 4 bcaa capsules, i forget how much of each
> bcaa. Whatever is in the recommended dose of the only vegan ones i've
> ever seen at seattle super supplements. Since i keep reading to take
> these by themselves, as aminos compete for the same receptors, at what
> point am i basically taking protein and have lost the benefits of each
> of these aminos individually? Am i missing something obvious?
>>
>> I'm thinking of cutting them all out except arginine, as that's the
> only one that seems to make much noticeable difference pre-workout. If i
> take glutamine in all protein shakes i can tell a big overall
> difference, and bcaa's don't seem to change anything.
>>
>>
>>
>> -Mitch
>>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>

Good conversation here. So, should one take aminos on an empty stomach? Or with
any food?


"Politics is the shadow cast on society by big business... the attenuation of
the shadow will not change the substance." -John Dewey





________________________________
From: megavegan <megavegan@...>
To: veganbodybuilding@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, May 29, 2009 4:08:50 AM
Subject: [veganbodybuilding] Re: pre-workout





Mitch, every major supplement manufacturer produces a pre-workout
formula, often containing over 30 different anabolic ingredients -
including 6-10 amino acids in combination.
Think the key with absorption is the amount you're taking of each amino.
5g of each isn't a problem. Also, many aminos combine to produce even
better results than when taken singly - beta-alanine and creatine;
arginine and glutamine, for instance.
If you're still worried about combining, take half, then the other half
15 minutes later. Absorption of aminos is very fast.
BCAAs, although you may not notice it, are having an effect of improving
performance. I'd stick with them, or just use leucine, the most potent
amino in BCAAs. Increase the dose to 10g; powder's better than capsules.
Other pre-workout nutrients to consider: taurine 1-3g, creatine 5g,
beta-alanine 1-3g, citrulline malate 3g, caffeine 200mg.

--- In veganbodybuilding@ yahoogroups. com, mitch <mitchseaman2000@ ...>
wrote:

> Had a question about pre-workout supplements. Right now i'm taking 4g
arginine, 4g glutamine, and 4 bcaa capsules, i forget how much of each
bcaa. Whatever is in the recommended dose of the only vegan ones i've
ever seen at seattle super supplements. Since i keep reading to take
these by themselves, as aminos compete for the same receptors, at what
point am i basically taking protein and have lost the benefits of each
of these aminos individually? Am i missing something obvious?
>
> I'm thinking of cutting them all out except arginine, as that's the
only one that seems to make much noticeable difference pre-workout. If i
take glutamine in all protein shakes i can tell a big overall
difference, and bcaa's don't seem to change anything.
>
>
>
> -Mitch
>

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