for those of you who have just joined us, we are discussing selection for
finland.
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there is a upc selection process for international teams (in draft, but
basically completed). i think we should use that.

the first step (once selectors are asked to volunteer and some are chosen)
is to ask for players who want to be considered for selection. to my mind
the difference from shane's proposal is pretty minor because you will get
all the country's top players wanting to go to finland anyway. the selectors
provide the quality control.

but the most important thing is that something needs to happen soon. who is
responsible for this on the upc?

-----Original Message-----
From: Shane Vuletich [mailto:shane@...]
Sent: Tuesday, 14 January 2003 16:44
To: 'Hayden Glass'; 'Richard Lewis-Shell'
Cc: act30@...; andrew.pegler@...;
semnz@...; brett_carlyle@...; dave@...;
j.tapiata@...; justin_thirkell@...; street@...;
hay@...; 'Rachel Grindlay'
Subject: RE: NZ Open Nationals - playing with the Aussie boyz


I think the NZUPC should identify the top 30 players in NZ and invite
them to be part of the development squad. At least then it has some
prestige, and would serve as 'quality control' (the absence of which has
sometimes been to the detriment of national teams in the past). We (the
appointed selectors and coach, whoever they may be) should view all
players on this season's tour, hand pick say 18-20 men and 10-12 women,
and offer them the opportunity to be part of the development squad. If
they're not part of the development squad they can't go to Worlds.

I can't see any other way to do this without paying huge disrespect to
the 2nd seeding we're likely to get at Worlds.

S

Shane Vuletich
Principal Consultant
Covec Limited
PO Box 300107 Albany
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m +64 21 346 552
f +64 9 916 1971


-----Original Message-----
From: Hayden Glass [mailto:hayden@...]
Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2003 4:34 PM
To: Richard Lewis-Shell; Shane Vuletich
Cc: act30@...; andrew.pegler@...;
semnz@...; brett_carlyle@...; dave@...;
j.tapiata@...; justin_thirkell@...; street@...;
hay@...; Rachel Grindlay
Subject: RE: NZ Open Nationals - playing with the Aussie boyz

that's great rick (i.e., i completely agree that mixed is a better
option
for focus than split for finland). i guess shane's point still stands
though. when can we expect the selection process to get underway?

-----Original Message-----
From: Richard Lewis-Shell [mailto:nog@...]
Sent: Tuesday, 14 January 2003 08:28
To: Shane Vuletich
Cc: 'Hayden Glass'; act30@...;
andrew.pegler@...; semnz@...;
brett_carlyle@...; dave@...; j.tapiata@...;
justin_thirkell@...; street@...; hay@...;
Rachel Grindlay
Subject: Re: NZ Open Nationals - playing with the Aussie boyz


The UPC is likely to give a mixed team higher priority than an open
team - mainly due to the recent WUCC results. But if there's interest
in another mens team on top of the mixed team, that would be great.
BTW - Finland is 2004.

R

On Tuesday, January 14, 2003, at 08:21 AM, Shane Vuletich wrote:

> Sounds like a good idea, but I can't make it either. We should,
> however, be looking to form a development squad for Worlds 2003 in
> Finland, and also looking for some sponsorship. I figure a squad of
> 25-30 players would be reasonable, and a final selection of around 20
> players early next year. Perhaps the NZUPC could initiate this?
>
> S
>
> Shane Vuletich
> Principal Consultant
> Covec Limited
> PO Box 300107 Albany
> p +64 9 916 1961
> m +64 21 346 552
> f +64 9 916 1971
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Hayden Glass [mailto:hayden@...]
> Sent: Monday, January 13, 2003 9:31 PM
> To: act30@...; andrew.pegler@...;
> semnz@...; brett_carlyle@...; dave@...;
> j.tapiata@...; justin_thirkell@...; nog@...;
> peter@...; shane@...; hay@...
> Subject: RE: NZ Open Nationals - playing with the Aussie boyz
>
> do you think it is worth getting together to talk about this at some
> point
> at tour 1? basically we need to find someone to organise things from
> this
> end, i guess. seems like a great idea to me even if, sadly, i will not
> be
> able to make it.
>
> perhaps someone has already responded to piers?
>
>
> h
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Piers Truter [mailto:piers@...]
> Sent: Monday, 30 December 2002 16:13
> To: act30@...; andrew.pegler@...;
> semnz@...; brett_carlyle@...; dave@...;
> hayden@...; j.tapiata@...;
> justin_thirkell@...; nog@...; peter@...;
> shane@...; hay@...
> Cc: Jonathan Potts; david obrien; Tom Rogacki;
> mryan@...; Sacha Vidler
> Subject: NZ Open Nationals - playing with the Aussie boyz
>
>
> Hello there,
>
> One of the benefits of a kiwi flatmate is access to her e-mail address
> list. Particularly useful if you are planning shenanigans in NZ in
> April. I would like to invite you and the flower of NZ male ultimate
to
> join the cream of Aussie male ultimate for secret men's business in
> Palmerston North (or Wellington if you think it would be better). This
> is the plan.
>
> NZ nationals are on 4-6 April. We are going to bring one team (maybe 2
> teams depending on interest) made up of players from all over the
> eastern seaboard. The team has players from QLD, VIC, ACT and NSW. All
> the players are either current Aussie national team players or players
> that are likely to be selected for Australia in our next outing to
> Worlds in 2004. We are planning to arrive in NZ 2 days early and run a
> training camp for 2 days prior to the tournament. The aim is to figure
> out how ultimate is played in the different states in Australia and
> forge a composite style that suits every one. We also have many chiefs
> and few indians - so we will have to figure out how a team should be
> captained and what works best for a team. It is sort of an experiment
> in
> team cohesion. The goal is to figure out for the Australian team in
> 2004
> what is best in terms of making a team and to provide an environment
> for
> players to shake off city league bad habits and step up to the next
> level with a bunch of really good players around them.
>
> We would love for you to join us in the training camp. We would love
> you
> to invite those NZ male players you think would fit into the
> environment
> (you invite them - you know them best). We would love you to come
along
> and teach us how you play ultimate. Basically we think that the whole
> thing will be fantastic for all the players involved and that we can
> have a lot of fun at the same time. Before you come, we will have to
> talk before hand to figure out which sections of the 2 days NZ run and
> which sections Australia run. We envisage playing 3-4 games in 2 days
-
> mixing the Aussie and NZ boyz up.
>
> That is the plan. We will be there. Come out and play.
>
> Piers
> +61 402 103131
>
>