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Re: [upc-international] Australian Nationals 2003

Why not?

1) Aus nats is not an international event.
2) Aus nats is a club event.
Given these, why send official NZ rep teams? If this event is to be part of
a bigger NZ rep build up then I would concede that this might make sense,
but it's not. Aus does not send rep teams to our 'nationals'.
3) We already have an official (ie. WFDF sanctioned) international event in
2003 that is far more appropriate for the selection policy (Asia/Oceania
champs), and I am not sure that we can realistically sustain more than one
official international foray.
4) The Asia/Oceania champs deserves our support and there is a risk that by
pushing Aus nats, we will dilute any support for Asia/Oceania champs. I
think Asia/Oceania champs deserves our official support more than Aus
nationals.
5) With the possibility of the NZ Open being an open/womens event there is a
good chance that our own club teams will be thinking about attending Aus
nats. This is much more in line with encouraging regional development.

Of course if our own club teams decide to focus on Aus nats and that dilutes
support for Asia/Oceania champs, then so be it. There is realistically
nothing that we can do to stop this (nor would we want to IMO). But at
least that lack of support wouldn't have stemmed from an official
decision/policy from the NZFDA, instead it has come from regional
interest -> development...

R

----- Original Message -----
From: "Hayden Glass" <hayden@...>
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Sent: Monday, November 11, 2002 11:42 PM
Subject: RE: [upc-international] Australian Nationals 2003


> why don't we just use the processes in the draft representation policy for
> now for aussie nats, and then whenever these nobel prize winning thoughts
on
> regional development and tournies are created we can change the rep policy
> to suit?
>
> i think the idea of forming a squad to play a game at every tour event is
an
> excellent one. but it means that we need to get together a selector or two
> (or three) real soon so that they can organise things to make this stuff
> happen. april is real close.
>
> nice work rach.
>
>
> h
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rachel Grindlay [mailto:rachg@...]
> Sent: Thursday, 31 October 2002 15:14
> To: Upc-International@Yahoogroups. Com
> Subject: [upc-international] Australian Nationals 2003
>
>
> The Australian National Ultimate Championships for 2003 will be held over
> 25-28 April 2003 in Canberra. It is 6 months until the tournament.
>
> I want to notify people wanting to attend what the selection
> criteria/process will be for teams. Since the draft representation policy
> has been parked until we have some further thoughts on regional
development
> and tournaments I am unsure how to proceed from here.
>
> One suggestion that has been made to me, is that an initial squad is
formed
> at the first 'tour'* event, and that there is a time slot allocated at
that
> event, and those following which enables to squad to play one game. (i.e.
if
> there are 25 men interested in attending Aus Nats then they will play a
game
> at each tour event, and then from those who are in this squad a team is
> selected). This would depend on their being time available at tournaments
to
> fit such a game in. Interested players could be required to attend at
least
> 1 or 2 of these events so that selectors are able to see all candidates
> playing. The problem with this is the timing of the final selections may
be
> too close to the dates of Aussie Nats. A benefit of this would be that the
> players get to actually play some mens/womens ultimate and also get to
play
> at least a couple of times with their team mates.
>
> [*or should that be the first tournament in the series of tournaments
which
> were formerly known as the tour.]
>
> Anyway, has anyone got thoughts on this? I see little point having a
> selection policy if it is not used. But more importantly the principles of
> the policy are what I think are crucial: "The process used to select teams
> for international events is clear and transparent, simple, and rationally
> defensible."
>
> Rachel
>
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The Australian National Ultimate Championships for 2003 will be held over 25-28 April 2003 in Canberra. It is 6 months until the tournament. I want to notify...
Rachel Grindlay
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Another suggestion has been that Australian Nationals (as an overseas, but not an international tournament) not attract an official selection response, and...
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why don't we just use the processes in the draft representation policy for now for aussie nats, and then whenever these nobel prize winning thoughts on ...
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Nov 11, 2002
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Why not? 1) Aus nats is not an international event. 2) Aus nats is a club event. Given these, why send official NZ rep teams? If this event is to be part of a...
Richard Lewis-Shell
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the question is should we officially select a team or teams for aussie nats in april, or leave it to clubs to sort teams out. the twin goals of international...
Hayden Glass
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Nov 12, 2002
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... sounds good to me! R...
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Australian National Ultimate Championships 24-27th April 2003 Canberra There has been a fair amount of discussion about how the teams that go to Australian...
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i think that you are right rach: * it is definitely worth seeing what the clubs want to do with regard to aussie nats. * i share your scepticism that any of...
Hayden Glass
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Jan 14, 2003
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... One possibility here, is that our clubs could field mens teams, while the womens' team(s) are less club oriented, perhaps more like what we saw for Aus...
Richard Lewis-Shell
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Jan 14, 2003
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I'm still not a fan of selecting an official NZ rep team for an non-international event. I think interested players should be able to get themselves there...
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Jan 14, 2003
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Bluefish will most likely send a men's team to Aussie Nats. If we need extras we'll ask specific players. I don't think teams going to Aussie should be...
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Hey Rach happy new year chick, hope it was large I have heard that you will be around for the 1st tour event, if so are you gonna play with Frenzy??? pegs ... ...
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