- Kaimana Klassic (Hawaii) Feb 2003 - (bids close 15 Nov)
(unfortunately this is also the same weekend as one of our tour events... we
should maybe try to avoid this clash for next year? a small number of us
went to this tournament in 2002 and it was great, would be cool to get 2
full NZ teams there, Open and Womens)




-----Original Message-----
From: Rachel Grindlay [mailto:rachg@...]
Sent: Thursday, 7 November 2002 10:23 p.m.
To: upc-international@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [upc-international] Finland 2004


I agree with most of your sentiments/concerns Dave.

I think it is possible to get teams in all divisions. But to do so, we (I)
need to prepare people now, not 6 months before. If certain people only want
to go on a 'top' team then that is there prerogative. If they don't make the
'top' team (which I presume will be the co-ed team) then they have the
choice of playing with the open or womens team (should there be enough
players to form) or not going at all. This is why I am keen to make people
aware of the potential situation now, not 8 months out, so if people only
want to play on the top team they can start putting in the hard yards now to
ensure they do as much as possible to ensure selection.

I agree that getting people to Finland is going to be hard enough (re:
money/leave from work) without expecting attendance at other international
tournaments. I was not suggesting that attendance at build-up events would
be part of the selection criteria. This is just another reason for planning
for Finland now - so that players can (if they want to) plan to expand their
international experience prior to then. If NZ teams can get to Kaimana or
some other overseas tournament - great! If not, well we need to work with
what we've got.

I am also sceptical about World Disc Games. I don't think that our energies
should be focused on it, if someone wants to organise a kiwi team to go then
good for them. But I don't see that an official NZ team will go. I have not
heard anything more from Japan about the possibility of the Pacific Rim
championships (chasing up on this though).

In my mind the possibilities for teams (or parts of teams) to prepare prior
to Finland are:

Open/Womens Teams
- Kaimana Klassic (Hawaii) Feb 2003 - (bids close 15 Nov)
- Australian Nationals April 2003
- Kaimana Klassic (Hawaii) Feb 2004
- Australian Nationals April 2004

Co-ed
- Australian Mixed Nationals - Oct 2003

There may be other events which are also suitable.

Rachel

-----Original Message-----
From: Dave Sanders [mailto:dave@...]
Sent: Wednesday, 6 November 2002 3:52 p.m.
To: upc-international@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [upc-international] Finland 2004


I think we should go to any/all events as long as enough people are keen to
train and capable of representing NZ. However, it isn't always that easy is
it...

Finland. Right now I wouldn't think we have enough people willing and/or
able to represent NZ to fill teams in every division, there will always be
some people that would want to go, but only if it is a top team. In which
case it comes back to what division or divisions are aimed for.

The build-up of other international tournaments is a nice idea, however, it
again becomes tough as there will always be people that for some reason or
another would want to go some of them and not others. If we start putting
rules in place about having to go to a certain number of build-up
tournaments or something, then there will always be exceptions asked for,
and that will be hard to deal with. Our current international player
numbers do not really suit being able to exclude people completely because
they can't make one of the build-up events.

Sorry to be a bit pessimistic about it all, personally I know I'd love to go
to as many tournaments as possible, especially world class tournaments, but
there is a limit to how many of these you can attend and how far into the
future many people here can plan for. It was tricky enough getting the 2
teams to WUCC with many people initially entered withdrawing for a multitude
of reasons.

WDG. Can't really find out much about this, the organiser Tom was at WUCC
trying to convince as many people/teams/countries as possible to go, and
really seemed to put it on a bit thick. I can't seem to find out much about
what is happening with Ultimate there, and what I have found worries me a
little, such as:
Under "Registered Ultimate teams" there are only 3.
http://www.worlddiscgames.com/format_ultimate.htm - talks about how it will
be run... just sounds dodgy to me, what do you lot think?

Sorry if not a lot of this makes sense, just rambling off some thoughts...
Dave S.


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