I think we should go to any/all events as long as enough people are keen to
train and capable of representing NZ. However, it isn't always that easy is
it...

Finland. Right now I wouldn't think we have enough people willing and/or
able to represent NZ to fill teams in every division, there will always be
some people that would want to go, but only if it is a top team. In which
case it comes back to what division or divisions are aimed for.

The build-up of other international tournaments is a nice idea, however, it
again becomes tough as there will always be people that for some reason or
another would want to go some of them and not others. If we start putting
rules in place about having to go to a certain number of build-up
tournaments or something, then there will always be exceptions asked for,
and that will be hard to deal with. Our current international player
numbers do not really suit being able to exclude people completely because
they can't make one of the build-up events.

Sorry to be a bit pessimistic about it all, personally I know I'd love to go
to as many tournaments as possible, especially world class tournaments, but
there is a limit to how many of these you can attend and how far into the
future many people here can plan for. It was tricky enough getting the 2
teams to WUCC with many people initially entered withdrawing for a multitude
of reasons.

WDG. Can't really find out much about this, the organiser Tom was at WUCC
trying to convince as many people/teams/countries as possible to go, and
really seemed to put it on a bit thick. I can't seem to find out much about
what is happening with Ultimate there, and what I have found worries me a
little, such as:
Under "Registered Ultimate teams" there are only 3.
http://www.worlddiscgames.com/format_ultimate.htm - talks about how it will
be run... just sounds dodgy to me, what do you lot think?

Sorry if not a lot of this makes sense, just rambling off some thoughts...
Dave S.



-----Original Message-----
From: Rachel Grindlay [mailto:rachg@...]
Sent: Wednesday, 6 November 2002 11:33 a.m.
To: upc-international@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [upc-international] Finland 2004


I'm not thinking about getting expressions of interest at this stage. I am
more thinking about just putting it in people's minds.

I agree that a coordinated build-up would be a good idea though, so perhaps
an agreement on what tournaments fit into the build-up would be useful.

The international calendar so far really only has
- Australian Nationals April 2003 & 2004
- Pacific-Rim Champs??? mid-2003???
- Finland Aug 2004

There is the World Disc Games (http://www.worlddiscgames.com/) being held in
California - however I think we are better off to attend a pacific-rim
champs if it happens - though since there has been no further information
about this perhaps WDG should be considered?

Thoughts?

Rachel

P.S. Incidentally Finland is likely to just be WUC with no guts. My
apologies for all those aspiring guts competitors.

-----Original Message-----
From: Richard Lewis-Shell [mailto:nog@...]
Sent: Monday, 4 November 2002 9:23 p.m.
To: upc-international@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [upc-international] Finland 2004


I think it's great to be thinking about Finland this far out -
especially with a possible #2 seeding to defend! If we're going to ask
for expressions of interest, lets do it for all the international
tournaments leading up to Finland - this should help plan an
international participation policy that leads/builds up to Finland.

At this stage we should definitely aim to send teams in more than just
the mixed division - I think NZ Ultimate is far better off with us
having a weak team in a division than not having a team in a division
at all.

R


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