Spin classes at Bonzai start tomorrow 6-730pm.

I am going to be leading the ride tomorrow night...unless anyone else is
interested???

They don't have a stock pile of used trainers so they ask that you bring
your own trainer, towel and/or mat and hydration.

If you can not make it tomorrow, we will continue this every Tuesday 6-730pm
for awhile.  Also, if anyone is interested in leading a ride, let me know,
and I will put you on the schedule when a time works for you.

Should be a hoot!

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~~~~~/\o
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Katie Gage Davison
katiedavison.blogspot.com
snappletriteam.com
trirats.net


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My sister in law is asking about a Garmin for her husband who is an amateur
marathoner (I guess that is a relative term - he is just getting back to running
and finished Chicago in 3:21:50).

I like my Forerunner 305 a lot (just wish I could swim w/ it).  She is looking
at the Forerunner 405.

Any recommendations for a runner only GPS HRM watch would be appreciated.

Runners world seems also sided against stretching....

http://www.runnersworld.com/article/0,7120,s6-241-287--7001-0,00.html


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I have a KSWISS coupon that I got at Chicago tri that I will never use.  It is
for 30% off.  Send me a message if you want it. But please only do it if you
REALLY are going to use it (I can't guarantee that it will still work, but there
is no expiration date).

For those of you who might have qualified today at Richmond, just wanted to
warn you and others that the Boston Marathon is closed for entries for the
2010 race.



I suggest that you be ready to register for 2011 right when they open up
registration next year as I anticipate that the flood of marathoners from
today until mid-February will be sitting at their computer, thus closing the
race out even earlier next year.



Debi



  <http://www.ucandoitcoach.us/> UCANDOIT-Finalsmall

Debi Bernardes

USAT Level 2 Coach

USAC Level 3 Coach

8385 Tomahawk Drive

King George, VA 22485

(540) 709-1484





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She did Meridian Stretching which is a form of resistance stretching (not
PNF, but close as it's done on your own without a partner).



Debi



From: trirats@yahoogroups.com [mailto:trirats@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Buffy Slayer
Sent: Saturday, November 14, 2009 7:51 AM
To: Katie Davison
Cc: trirats@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Tri RATS] Kevin - here's those stretching links I promised you





Didn't Dara Torres credit stretching with helping her swimming performance?
I didn't really take stretching seriously until I reached 45 or so
experienced a couple of running injuries. I do various static stretches and
some yoga, as well, because I feel better all over when I do. I have read
studies about stretching, but I'm going to do what appears to work for ME.
:)

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Didn't Dara Torres credit stretching with helping her swimming performance? I
didn't really take stretching seriously until I reached 45 or so experienced a
couple of running injuries. I do various static stretches and some yoga, as
well, because I feel better all over when I do. I have read studies about
stretching, but I'm going to do what appears to work for ME. :)







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Are there any RATs heading to Ironman Arizona this month?

I want to sign up again for next year. The policy for signing up for MDot races
seems to have changed.  Other than actually going to Arizona and signing up is
it possible to have someone on site after the race sign up for you? If that is
possible was wondering if anyone would be willing to sign me up?

Thanks -Rob

No studies no worries. 
Post workout stretching and occassional isolated stretching makes the 'whole'
feel good.  It is a great break on a warm evening after a tough training week
to throw the yoga mat on the patio and bask in the warmth of the sun, and feel
your muscles stretch and relax.  koombayah.
Almost never stretch before, not enough after, and in the middle I'm your
contrarian.  Not enough veggies, party before the race, I don't mind you
drafting off of me,  I might catch a short break off of you in a race, suck on
a tootsie pop on the marathon leg, pass out in the medical tent, and have a cold
one on the way home!
Rock On.

Scott

 



________________________________
From: Debi Bernardes <bernardes@...>
Cc: trirats@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Fri, November 13, 2009 11:54:37 AM
Subject: RE: [Tri RATS] Kevin - here's those stretching links I promised you

 
David has started an interesting discussion.

I use stretching (as stated before, active isolated and yoga) generally at
night before I go to bed. I use to help maintain my range of motion. I do
not (nor have I ever) thought it reduced muscle soreness (good nutrition
does this), nor does it make me go faster. It just allows me to continue to
train and race.

What do other RATS use in their normal training program? Stretch or Not?
Why?

Debi

From: trirats@yahoogroups .com [mailto:trirats@yahoogroups .com] On Behalf Of
Debi Bernardes
Sent: Friday, November 13, 2009 11:43 AM
To: 'David Flynn'
Cc: trirats@yahoogroups .com
Subject: RE: [Tri RATS] Kevin - here's those stretching links I promised you

And the article states just what I said it didn't study - older athletes.
Plus it talks about pre-exercise stretching - which I wholly agree with the
article.

Re-read my post J

From: trirats@yahoogroups .com <mailto:trirats% 40yahoogroups. com>
[mailto:trirats@yahoogroups .com <mailto:trirats% 40yahoogroups. com> ] On
Behalf Of
David Flynn
Sent: Friday, November 13, 2009 11:28 AM
To: Debi Bernardes
Cc: trirats@yahoogroups .com <mailto:trirats% 40yahoogroups. com>
Subject: Re: [Tri RATS] Kevin - here's those stretching links I promised you

Debi - you said:

"That's because there is no money in stretching to make sure really good
studies done. If you could get the drug or insurance companies involved I
bet they would find different results."

I believe you are not really crediting who is actually behind the studies I
quoted here:

The CDC did a study of 361 other stretching studies, plus a separate study
of 2,600 Australian army recruits, then controlled trials in the Aug. 31
issue of the British Medical Journal, Domhnall MacAuley, from The Queen's
University
of Belfast, and Thomas M. Best, from the University of Wisconsin Medical
School in Madison, the study published in New Scientist magazine, plus this
summation from the CDC:

"It's one of those common practices that doesn't have any science behind
it," says Dr. Julie Gilchrist, an injury-prevention researcher with the
Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC).

She was part of a team that combed six decades worth of fitness studies and
found no evidence for the long-standing assumption that pre-exercise
stretching heads off sprains, strains or pains. Nor does it appear to help
you jump higher, run faster or otherwise boost performance in typical
fitness endeavors, according to the CDC study, which appeared last year in
the journal Medicine & Science in Sports & Exercise.

Honestly - I am herd pressed to even find ONE study advocating stretching.
Can anyone else find one?

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Whenever I spend insufficient time in my schedule stretching, I wind up
injured as I ramp duration or intensity.  I usually try to spend 10-15
minutes on stretching and core strength at the end of each workout.

- Andrea

-----Original Message-----
From: trirats@yahoogroups.com [mailto:trirats@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Michael Tine
Sent: Friday, November 13, 2009 12:19 PM
To: Bernardes
Cc: trirats
Subject: RE: [Tri RATS] Kevin - here's those stretching links I promised you


Not.  Because I'm lazy.



CC: trirats@yahoogroups.com
From: bernardes@...
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 2009 11:54:37 -0500
Subject: RE: [Tri RATS] Kevin - here's those stretching links I promised you





David has started an interesting discussion.

I use stretching (as stated before, active isolated and yoga) generally at
night before I go to bed. I use to help maintain my range of motion. I do
not (nor have I ever) thought it reduced muscle soreness (good nutrition
does this), nor does it make me go faster. It just allows me to continue to
train and race.

What do other RATS use in their normal training program? Stretch or Not?
Why?

Debi

From: trirats@yahoogroups.com [mailto:trirats@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Debi Bernardes
Sent: Friday, November 13, 2009 11:43 AM
To: 'David Flynn'
Cc: trirats@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Tri RATS] Kevin - here's those stretching links I promised you

And the article states just what I said it didn't study - older athletes.
Plus it talks about pre-exercise stretching - which I wholly agree with the
article.

Re-read my post J

From: trirats@yahoogroups.com <mailto:trirats%40yahoogroups.com>
[mailto:trirats@yahoogroups.com <mailto:trirats%40yahoogroups.com> ] On
Behalf Of
David Flynn
Sent: Friday, November 13, 2009 11:28 AM
To: Debi Bernardes
Cc: trirats@yahoogroups.com <mailto:trirats%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Re: [Tri RATS] Kevin - here's those stretching links I promised you

Debi - you said:

"That's because there is no money in stretching to make sure really good
studies done. If you could get the drug or insurance companies involved I
bet they would find different results."

I believe you are not really crediting who is actually behind the studies I
quoted here:

The CDC did a study of 361 other stretching studies, plus a separate study
of 2,600 Australian army recruits, then controlled trials in the Aug. 31
issue of the British Medical Journal, Domhnall MacAuley, from The Queen's
University
of Belfast, and Thomas M. Best, from the University of Wisconsin Medical
School in Madison, the study published in New Scientist magazine, plus this
summation from the CDC:

"It's one of those common practices that doesn't have any science behind
it," says Dr. Julie Gilchrist, an injury-prevention researcher with the
Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC).

She was part of a team that combed six decades worth of fitness studies and
found no evidence for the long-standing assumption that pre-exercise
stretching heads off sprains, strains or pains. Nor does it appear to help
you jump higher, run faster or otherwise boost performance in typical
fitness endeavors, according to the CDC study, which appeared last year in
the journal Medicine & Science in Sports & Exercise.

Honestly - I am herd pressed to even find ONE study advocating stretching.
Can anyone else find one?

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Yahoo! Groups Links

I imagine you all know what I am going to say about this.

I love hot yoga.

buhaha

On Fri, Nov 13, 2009 at 12:22 PM, Nathan Miller <n8mill@...> wrote:

> I HATE stretching.  However, I do agree that it keeps your range of motion
> up (especially needed for runners who end up unable to touch their toes).
>  I
> can't say that I currently do much stretching.  I do the wall stretch and
> stair (ankle) stretch pretty often because they are easy and I seem to have
> to crack my ankle or something during the wall stretch to feel less tight.
> Otherwise my lower calf seems to lock up when I run.  Anyways, in my mind,
> stretching is good like Debi said.  Keeping range of motion allows you to
> be
> more efficient while racing, which makes you go faster.  IMO.
>
> On Fri, Nov 13, 2009 at 11:54 AM, Debi Bernardes <bernardes@...>
> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > David has started an interesting discussion.
> >
> > I use stretching (as stated before, active isolated and yoga) generally
> at
> > night before I go to bed. I use to help maintain my range of motion. I do
> > not (nor have I ever) thought it reduced muscle soreness (good nutrition
> > does this), nor does it make me go faster. It just allows me to continue
> to
> > train and race.
> >
> > What do other RATS use in their normal training program? Stretch or Not?
> > Why?
> >
> > Debi
> >
> >
> > From: trirats@yahoogroups.com <trirats%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:
> > trirats@yahoogroups.com <trirats%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of
> > Debi Bernardes
> > Sent: Friday, November 13, 2009 11:43 AM
> > To: 'David Flynn'
> > Cc: trirats@yahoogroups.com <trirats%40yahoogroups.com>
> > Subject: RE: [Tri RATS] Kevin - here's those stretching links I promised
> > you
> >
> >
> > And the article states just what I said it didn't study - older athletes.
> > Plus it talks about pre-exercise stretching - which I wholly agree with
> the
> > article.
> >
> > Re-read my post J
> >
> > From: trirats@yahoogroups.com <trirats%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:
> > trirats%40yahoogroups.com <trirats%2540yahoogroups.com>>
> > [mailto:trirats@yahoogroups.com <trirats%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:
> > trirats%40yahoogroups.com <trirats%2540yahoogroups.com>> ] On
> >
> > Behalf Of
> > David Flynn
> > Sent: Friday, November 13, 2009 11:28 AM
> > To: Debi Bernardes
> > Cc: trirats@yahoogroups.com <trirats%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:
> > trirats%40yahoogroups.com <trirats%2540yahoogroups.com>>
> > Subject: Re: [Tri RATS] Kevin - here's those stretching links I promised
> > you
> >
> > Debi - you said:
> >
> > "That's because there is no money in stretching to make sure really good
> > studies done. If you could get the drug or insurance companies involved I
> > bet they would find different results."
> >
> > I believe you are not really crediting who is actually behind the studies
> I
> > quoted here:
> >
> > The CDC did a study of 361 other stretching studies, plus a separate
> study
> > of 2,600 Australian army recruits, then controlled trials in the Aug. 31
> > issue of the British Medical Journal, Domhnall MacAuley, from The Queen's
> > University
> > of Belfast, and Thomas M. Best, from the University of Wisconsin Medical
> > School in Madison, the study published in New Scientist magazine, plus
> this
> > summation from the CDC:
> >
> > "It's one of those common practices that doesn't have any science behind
> > it," says Dr. Julie Gilchrist, an injury-prevention researcher with the
> > Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC).
> >
> > She was part of a team that combed six decades worth of fitness studies
> and
> > found no evidence for the long-standing assumption that pre-exercise
> > stretching heads off sprains, strains or pains. Nor does it appear to
> help
> > you jump higher, run faster or otherwise boost performance in typical
> > fitness endeavors, according to the CDC study, which appeared last year
> in
> > the journal Medicine & Science in Sports & Exercise.
> >
> > Honestly - I am herd pressed to even find ONE study advocating
> stretching.
> > Can anyone else find one?
> >
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> >
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> >
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> >
> >
> >
>
>
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>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>


--
~~~~~/\o
~~~~~~~~~~~~

Katie Gage Davison
katiedavison.blogspot.com
snappletriteam.com
trirats.net


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I HATE stretching.  However, I do agree that it keeps your range of motion
up (especially needed for runners who end up unable to touch their toes).  I
can't say that I currently do much stretching.  I do the wall stretch and
stair (ankle) stretch pretty often because they are easy and I seem to have
to crack my ankle or something during the wall stretch to feel less tight.
Otherwise my lower calf seems to lock up when I run.  Anyways, in my mind,
stretching is good like Debi said.  Keeping range of motion allows you to be
more efficient while racing, which makes you go faster.  IMO.

On Fri, Nov 13, 2009 at 11:54 AM, Debi Bernardes <bernardes@...> wrote:

>
>
> David has started an interesting discussion.
>
> I use stretching (as stated before, active isolated and yoga) generally at
> night before I go to bed. I use to help maintain my range of motion. I do
> not (nor have I ever) thought it reduced muscle soreness (good nutrition
> does this), nor does it make me go faster. It just allows me to continue to
> train and race.
>
> What do other RATS use in their normal training program? Stretch or Not?
> Why?
>
> Debi
>
>
> From: trirats@yahoogroups.com <trirats%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:
> trirats@yahoogroups.com <trirats%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of
> Debi Bernardes
> Sent: Friday, November 13, 2009 11:43 AM
> To: 'David Flynn'
> Cc: trirats@yahoogroups.com <trirats%40yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: RE: [Tri RATS] Kevin - here's those stretching links I promised
> you
>
>
> And the article states just what I said it didn't study - older athletes.
> Plus it talks about pre-exercise stretching - which I wholly agree with the
> article.
>
> Re-read my post J
>
> From: trirats@yahoogroups.com <trirats%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:
> trirats%40yahoogroups.com <trirats%2540yahoogroups.com>>
> [mailto:trirats@yahoogroups.com <trirats%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:
> trirats%40yahoogroups.com <trirats%2540yahoogroups.com>> ] On
>
> Behalf Of
> David Flynn
> Sent: Friday, November 13, 2009 11:28 AM
> To: Debi Bernardes
> Cc: trirats@yahoogroups.com <trirats%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:
> trirats%40yahoogroups.com <trirats%2540yahoogroups.com>>
> Subject: Re: [Tri RATS] Kevin - here's those stretching links I promised
> you
>
> Debi - you said:
>
> "That's because there is no money in stretching to make sure really good
> studies done. If you could get the drug or insurance companies involved I
> bet they would find different results."
>
> I believe you are not really crediting who is actually behind the studies I
> quoted here:
>
> The CDC did a study of 361 other stretching studies, plus a separate study
> of 2,600 Australian army recruits, then controlled trials in the Aug. 31
> issue of the British Medical Journal, Domhnall MacAuley, from The Queen's
> University
> of Belfast, and Thomas M. Best, from the University of Wisconsin Medical
> School in Madison, the study published in New Scientist magazine, plus this
> summation from the CDC:
>
> "It's one of those common practices that doesn't have any science behind
> it," says Dr. Julie Gilchrist, an injury-prevention researcher with the
> Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC).
>
> She was part of a team that combed six decades worth of fitness studies and
> found no evidence for the long-standing assumption that pre-exercise
> stretching heads off sprains, strains or pains. Nor does it appear to help
> you jump higher, run faster or otherwise boost performance in typical
> fitness endeavors, according to the CDC study, which appeared last year in
> the journal Medicine & Science in Sports & Exercise.
>
> Honestly - I am herd pressed to even find ONE study advocating stretching.
> Can anyone else find one?
>
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>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
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>
>
>


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Not.  Because I'm lazy.



CC: trirats@yahoogroups.com
From: bernardes@...
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 2009 11:54:37 -0500
Subject: RE: [Tri RATS] Kevin - here's those stretching links I promised you





David has started an interesting discussion.

I use stretching (as stated before, active isolated and yoga) generally at
night before I go to bed. I use to help maintain my range of motion. I do
not (nor have I ever) thought it reduced muscle soreness (good nutrition
does this), nor does it make me go faster. It just allows me to continue to
train and race.

What do other RATS use in their normal training program? Stretch or Not?
Why?

Debi

From: trirats@yahoogroups.com [mailto:trirats@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Debi Bernardes
Sent: Friday, November 13, 2009 11:43 AM
To: 'David Flynn'
Cc: trirats@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Tri RATS] Kevin - here's those stretching links I promised you

And the article states just what I said it didn't study - older athletes.
Plus it talks about pre-exercise stretching - which I wholly agree with the
article.

Re-read my post J

From: trirats@yahoogroups.com <mailto:trirats%40yahoogroups.com>
[mailto:trirats@yahoogroups.com <mailto:trirats%40yahoogroups.com> ] On
Behalf Of
David Flynn
Sent: Friday, November 13, 2009 11:28 AM
To: Debi Bernardes
Cc: trirats@yahoogroups.com <mailto:trirats%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Re: [Tri RATS] Kevin - here's those stretching links I promised you

Debi - you said:

"That's because there is no money in stretching to make sure really good
studies done. If you could get the drug or insurance companies involved I
bet they would find different results."

I believe you are not really crediting who is actually behind the studies I
quoted here:

The CDC did a study of 361 other stretching studies, plus a separate study
of 2,600 Australian army recruits, then controlled trials in the Aug. 31
issue of the British Medical Journal, Domhnall MacAuley, from The Queen's
University
of Belfast, and Thomas M. Best, from the University of Wisconsin Medical
School in Madison, the study published in New Scientist magazine, plus this
summation from the CDC:

"It's one of those common practices that doesn't have any science behind
it," says Dr. Julie Gilchrist, an injury-prevention researcher with the
Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC).

She was part of a team that combed six decades worth of fitness studies and
found no evidence for the long-standing assumption that pre-exercise
stretching heads off sprains, strains or pains. Nor does it appear to help
you jump higher, run faster or otherwise boost performance in typical
fitness endeavors, according to the CDC study, which appeared last year in
the journal Medicine & Science in Sports & Exercise.

Honestly - I am herd pressed to even find ONE study advocating stretching.
Can anyone else find one?

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David has started an interesting discussion.



I use stretching (as stated before, active isolated and yoga) generally at
night before I go to bed.  I use to help maintain my range of motion.  I do
not (nor have I ever) thought it reduced muscle soreness (good nutrition
does this), nor does it make me go faster.  It just allows me to continue to
train and race.



What do other RATS use in their normal training program?  Stretch or Not?
Why?



Debi



From: trirats@yahoogroups.com [mailto:trirats@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Debi Bernardes
Sent: Friday, November 13, 2009 11:43 AM
To: 'David Flynn'
Cc: trirats@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Tri RATS] Kevin - here's those stretching links I promised you





And the article states just what I said it didn't study - older athletes.
Plus it talks about pre-exercise stretching - which I wholly agree with the
article.

Re-read my post J

From: trirats@yahoogroups.com <mailto:trirats%40yahoogroups.com>
[mailto:trirats@yahoogroups.com <mailto:trirats%40yahoogroups.com> ] On
Behalf Of
David Flynn
Sent: Friday, November 13, 2009 11:28 AM
To: Debi Bernardes
Cc: trirats@yahoogroups.com <mailto:trirats%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Re: [Tri RATS] Kevin - here's those stretching links I promised you

Debi - you said:

"That's because there is no money in stretching to make sure really good
studies done. If you could get the drug or insurance companies involved I
bet they would find different results."

I believe you are not really crediting who is actually behind the studies I
quoted here:

The CDC did a study of 361 other stretching studies, plus a separate study
of 2,600 Australian army recruits, then controlled trials in the Aug. 31
issue of the British Medical Journal, Domhnall MacAuley, from The Queen's
University
of Belfast, and Thomas M. Best, from the University of Wisconsin Medical
School in Madison, the study published in New Scientist magazine, plus this
summation from the CDC:

"It's one of those common practices that doesn't have any science behind
it," says Dr. Julie Gilchrist, an injury-prevention researcher with the
Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC).

She was part of a team that combed six decades worth of fitness studies and
found no evidence for the long-standing assumption that pre-exercise
stretching heads off sprains, strains or pains. Nor does it appear to help
you jump higher, run faster or otherwise boost performance in typical
fitness endeavors, according to the CDC study, which appeared last year in
the journal Medicine & Science in Sports & Exercise.

Honestly - I am herd pressed to even find ONE study advocating stretching.
Can anyone else find one?

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And the article states just what I said it didn't study - older athletes.
Plus it talks about pre-exercise stretching - which I wholly agree with the
article.



Re-read my post J



From: trirats@yahoogroups.com [mailto:trirats@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
David Flynn
Sent: Friday, November 13, 2009 11:28 AM
To: Debi Bernardes
Cc: trirats@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Tri RATS] Kevin - here's those stretching links I promised you





Debi - you said:

"That's because there is no money in stretching to make sure really good
studies done. If you could get the drug or insurance companies involved I
bet they would find different results."

I believe you are not really crediting who is actually behind the studies I
quoted here:

The CDC did a study of 361 other stretching studies, plus a separate study
of 2,600 Australian army recruits, then controlled trials in the Aug. 31
issue of the British Medical Journal, Domhnall MacAuley, from The Queen's
University
of Belfast, and Thomas M. Best, from the University of Wisconsin Medical
School in Madison, the study published in New Scientist magazine, plus this
summation from the CDC:

"It's one of those common practices that doesn't have any science behind
it," says Dr. Julie Gilchrist, an injury-prevention researcher with the
Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC).

She was part of a team that combed six decades worth of fitness studies and
found no evidence for the long-standing assumption that pre-exercise
stretching heads off sprains, strains or pains. Nor does it appear to help
you jump higher, run faster or otherwise boost performance in typical
fitness endeavors, according to the CDC study, which appeared last year in
the journal Medicine & Science in Sports & Exercise.

Honestly - I am herd pressed to even find ONE study advocating stretching.
Can anyone else find one?

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Scott, there are a ton of Aquabike events.  Savageman, Kinetic also more local
races with that option.  And seems a lot of the 70.3 are including it.

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>
> Are there any good races in this area or do most people who can't run just
> do triathlons and not run?  Is there a separate division in triathlons?
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Debi - you said:

"That's because there is no money in stretching to make sure really good
studies done.  If you could get the drug or insurance companies involved I
bet they would find different results."

  I believe you are not really crediting who is actually behind the studies I
quoted here:

The CDC did a study of 361 other stretching studies, plus a separate study
of 2,600 Australian army recruits, then controlled trials in the Aug. 31
issue of the British Medical Journal, Domhnall MacAuley, from The Queen's
University
of Belfast, and Thomas M. Best, from the University of Wisconsin Medical
School in Madison, the study published in New Scientist magazine, plus this
summation from the CDC:

"It's one of those common practices that doesn't have any science behind
it," says Dr. Julie Gilchrist, an injury-prevention researcher with the
Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC).

She was part of a team that combed six decades worth of fitness studies and
found no evidence for the long-standing assumption that pre-exercise
stretching heads off sprains, strains or pains. Nor does it appear to help
you jump higher, run faster or otherwise boost performance in typical
fitness endeavors, according to the CDC study, which appeared last year in
the journal Medicine & Science in Sports & Exercise.

Honestly - I am herd pressed to even find ONE study advocating stretching.
Can anyone else find one?


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That's because there is no money in stretching to make sure really good
studies done.  If you could get the drug or insurance companies involved I
bet they would find different results.

There has not been testing on how simple things like active isolated
stretching, and yoga (and other forms) do prevent injuries.

My question of the studies - who are they focusing on?  30 year olds?

Try telling this to a 45+ competitor who has learned that if they don't
maintain their range of motion they will get injured sure as it snows in
Minnesota.

That is why I promote stretching (not the static crap with the leg on a
chair or pushing against a wall) - to maintain the range of motion that you
were born with.

And in terms of increasing performance?  Personally I think that if you are
injured you are not going to perform, although being healthy and injury free
does mean you can perform.  This is one way of looking at it.

I will agree though that stretching before a workout/race does not help.  It
does not reduce soreness post exercise/race, and it won't re-grow hair.

But it does help you to maintain your given range of motion.  I stretch
either post run (mostly using yoga/active isolated forms) or at night while
watching the tube, and use dynamic warm up drills before exercises or races.

Debi

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David Flynn
Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2009 10:37 PM
To: trirats@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Tri RATS] Kevin - here's those stretching links I promised you

Kevin - here's what I promised you last month:

So studies now say stretching may be useless...  Kevin - Your thoughts?

There are too many studies to quote here - but in short, *stretching doesn't
appear to prevent injury, speed recovery from injury, or increase
performance.*  It only increases range of motion - which probably isn't
needed for most people.  In fact - it would likely causing micro tears in
muscle can actually increase the probability of injury.  Trainers all debunk
this by saying "you just have to stretch right".  Well...no one at the CDC
of in the military studies has any idea what "the right way" actually is.
We do know that animals don't stretch - not even cats when they are sharping
their claws.  No primate stretches - not even the tree dwellers.  I realize
there's a lotta people out there quoting other trainers - but here are the
actually studies.

See the CDC study of studies at -
http://walking.about.com/cs/med/a/stretch0304.htm

Also see (Micro tears) - http://www.physorg.com/news166121437.html

And - (Military - broken link is quoted below)  -
http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/441042

Also -

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/567584.stm

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/health/2002208437_stretch16.html

http://saveyourself.ca/articles/stretching.php




   From Medscape Medical News <http://www.medscape.com/news> Value of
Stretching to Prevent Soreness, Injury Questioned

Laurie Barclay, MD

Authors and Disclosures


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Sept. 6, 2002 - Contrary to popular thinking, stretching before or after
exercise does not prevent muscle soreness or muscle injury, according to a
systematic review of controlled trials in the Aug. 31 issue of the British
Medical Journal.

"Stretching before or after exercising does not confer protection from
muscle soreness," write Rob D. Herbert and Michael Gabriel from the
University of Sydney in New South Wales, Australia. "Stretching before
exercising does not seem to confer a practically useful reduction in the
risk of injury, but the generality of this finding needs testing.
Insufficient research has been done with which to determine the effects of
stretching on sporting performance."

From a literature search, the authors identified five randomized or
quasi-randomized studies of moderate quality which reported sufficient data
on the effects of stretching on muscle soreness to be included in the
analysis. Three studies evaluated stretching after exercising, and two
evaluated stretching before exercising. Pooled analysis of data from 77
healthy, young adult subjects suggested that stretching produced small and
statistically insignificant reductions in muscle soreness 24 hours after
exercising, estimated to be only 0.9 mm on a 100 mm scale (95% confidence
interval [CI], -2.6 to 4.4 mm).

"Most athletes will consider effects of this magnitude too small to make
stretching to prevent later muscle soreness worthwhile," the authors write.

Two studies on army recruits in military training showed that stretching
before exercise insignificantly reduced injury risk by 5% (pooled hazard
ratio, 0.95; 95% CI, 0.78-1.16). Because risk of injury in military recruits
is high, approximately 20% over the training period of 12 weeks, a 5%
reduction in relative risk implies a reduction in absolute risk of about 1%.
The authors therefore conclude that the average subject would need to
stretch for 23 years to prevent one injury.

"Although these data imply that the muscle stretching protocol used in these
studies does not appreciably reduce risk of injury in army recruits
undergoing military training, it is not possible to rule out with certainty
a clinically worthwhile effect of other stretch protocols on risk of injury
in other populations," the authors write. "It would be particularly
interesting to determine if more prolonged stretching carried out by
recreational athletes over many months or years can produce meaningful
reductions in risk of injury."

In an accompanying editorial, Domhnall MacAuley, from The Queen's University
of Belfast, and Thomas M. Best, from the University of Wisconsin Medical
School in Madison, point out that much in sport and exercise medicine is not
supported by research evidence.

"Stretching is long established as one of the fundamental principles in
athletic care.... Sport is rife with pseudoscience, and it is difficult to
disentangle the evangelical enthusiasm of the locker room from research
evidence," they write. Other unanswered questions about musculoskeletal
injury include the value of ice, compression, and elevation, as well as the
optimal frequency and duration of these treatments.

"Much of sport and exercise medicine and the management of musculoskeletal
injury has developed empirically, with little research evidence," they
conclude. "Some of the basic principles of caring for acute injuries of the
soft tissues have never been questioned, yet there is often little evidence
to support common practice."

*BMJ.* 2002;325:451-452, 468-470

*Reviewed by Gary D. Vogin, MD*


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It's actually for my wife.  She just found out that she needs surgery to
repair a fistula in her inner ear.  She won't be able to run for the rest of
her life and she was just starting get into triathlon.  It hit her pretty
hard so I told her that I will run for her as a relay but also thought the
aquavelo would be another option.



My knees also hurt J  They keep taking turns!



Scott





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BB decoder ring - 2009 - why can't you run ? Knees ?
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Date: Fri, 13 Nov 2009 08:28:04
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Subject: RE: [Tri RATS] aquabike or aquavelo

J I was stuck calculating what year e00c is.



Cheers,



Scott



I hate typing on my PDA!



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Cheese man has a swim only and aqua bike option. Heard a rumor e00c was the
last year for it.
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Date: Fri, 13 Nov 2009 06:07:44
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<mailto:trirats%40yahoogroups.com> >
Subject: [Tri RATS] aquabike or aquavelo

Are there any good races in this area or do most people who can't run just
do triathlons and not run? Is there a separate division in triathlons?

Scott

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BB decoder ring - 2009 - why can't you run ?  Knees ?
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Date: Fri, 13 Nov 2009 08:28:04
To: <rggendro@...>; 'RATS'<trirats@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: RE: [Tri RATS] aquabike or aquavelo

J  I was stuck calculating what year e00c is.



Cheers,



Scott



I hate typing on my PDA!



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Rich Gendron
Sent: Friday, November 13, 2009 7:47 AM
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Subject: Re: [Tri RATS] aquabike or aquavelo

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Date: Fri, 13 Nov 2009 06:07:44
To: <trirats@yahoogroups.com <mailto:trirats%40yahoogroups.com> >
Subject: [Tri RATS] aquabike or aquavelo

Are there any good races in this area or do most people who can't run just
do triathlons and not run? Is there a separate division in triathlons?

Scott

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J  I was stuck calculating what year e00c is.



Cheers,



Scott



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Sent: Friday, November 13, 2009 7:47 AM
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Subject: Re: [Tri RATS] aquabike or aquavelo

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last year for it.
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Date: Fri, 13 Nov 2009 06:07:44
To: <trirats@yahoogroups.com <mailto:trirats%40yahoogroups.com> >
Subject: [Tri RATS] aquabike or aquavelo

Are there any good races in this area or do most people who can't run just
do triathlons and not run? Is there a separate division in triathlons?

Scott

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Scott, there are a ton of Aquabike events.  Savageman, Kinetic also more local
races with that option.  And seems a lot of the 70.3 are including it.

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> Date: Fri, 13 Nov 2009 12:45:29
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> Subject: Re: [Tri RATS] aquabike or aquavelo
>
> Cheese man has a swim only and aqua bike option.  Heard a rumor e00c was the
last year for it.
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> Date: Fri, 13 Nov 2009 06:07:44
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> Subject: [Tri RATS] aquabike or aquavelo
>
> Are there any good races in this area or do most people who can't run just
> do triathlons and not run?  Is there a separate division in triathlons?
>
>
>
> Scott
>
>
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Kevin - here's what I promised you last month:

So studies now say stretching may be useless...  Kevin - Your thoughts?

There are too many studies to quote here - but in short, *stretching doesn't
appear to prevent injury, speed recovery from injury, or increase
performance.*  It only increases range of motion - which probably isn't
needed for most people.  In fact - it would likely causing micro tears in
muscle can actually increase the probability of injury.  Trainers all debunk
this by saying "you just have to stretch right".  Well...no one at the CDC
of in the military studies has any idea what "the right way" actually is.
We do know that animals don't stretch - not even cats when they are sharping
their claws.  No primate stretches - not even the tree dwellers.  I realize
there's a lotta people out there quoting other trainers - but here are the
actually studies.

See the CDC study of studies at -
http://walking.about.com/cs/med/a/stretch0304.htm

Also see (Micro tears) - http://www.physorg.com/news166121437.html

And - (Military - broken link is quoted below)  -
http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/441042

Also -

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/567584.stm

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/health/2002208437_stretch16.html

http://saveyourself.ca/articles/stretching.php




   From Medscape Medical News <http://www.medscape.com/news> Value of
Stretching to Prevent Soreness, Injury Questioned

Laurie Barclay, MD

Authors and Disclosures


Information from Industry
   *Assess clinically focused product information on
Medscape.*<http://as.webmd.com/event.ng/Type=click&FlightID=4327&AdID=9002&Targe\
tID=10288&Values=25,31,46,51,63,77,87,91,102,145,150,192,205,208,221,222,229,234\
,236,240,249,297,302,305,306,308,309,312,1469,1963,2019,2183,3173,3175,3183,3184\
,3185,3186,3188,3219,3220,3415,3436,3438,3443,6840,7178,11474,13842,13857,14128,\
14130,15191&Redirect=http%3a//www.medscape.com/medscapetoday/infosite?src=0_0_ad\
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14130,15191&Redirect=http%3a//www.medscape.com/medscapetoday/infosite?src=0_0_ad\
_rct>

Sept. 6, 2002 — Contrary to popular thinking, stretching before or after
exercise does not prevent muscle soreness or muscle injury, according to a
systematic review of controlled trials in the Aug. 31 issue of the British
Medical Journal.

"Stretching before or after exercising does not confer protection from
muscle soreness," write Rob D. Herbert and Michael Gabriel from the
University of Sydney in New South Wales, Australia. "Stretching before
exercising does not seem to confer a practically useful reduction in the
risk of injury, but the generality of this finding needs testing.
Insufficient research has been done with which to determine the effects of
stretching on sporting performance."

From a literature search, the authors identified five randomized or
quasi-randomized studies of moderate quality which reported sufficient data
on the effects of stretching on muscle soreness to be included in the
analysis. Three studies evaluated stretching after exercising, and two
evaluated stretching before exercising. Pooled analysis of data from 77
healthy, young adult subjects suggested that stretching produced small and
statistically insignificant reductions in muscle soreness 24 hours after
exercising, estimated to be only 0.9 mm on a 100 mm scale (95% confidence
interval [CI], -2.6 to 4.4 mm).

"Most athletes will consider effects of this magnitude too small to make
stretching to prevent later muscle soreness worthwhile," the authors write.

Two studies on army recruits in military training showed that stretching
before exercise insignificantly reduced injury risk by 5% (pooled hazard
ratio, 0.95; 95% CI, 0.78-1.16). Because risk of injury in military recruits
is high, approximately 20% over the training period of 12 weeks, a 5%
reduction in relative risk implies a reduction in absolute risk of about 1%.
The authors therefore conclude that the average subject would need to
stretch for 23 years to prevent one injury.

"Although these data imply that the muscle stretching protocol used in these
studies does not appreciably reduce risk of injury in army recruits
undergoing military training, it is not possible to rule out with certainty
a clinically worthwhile effect of other stretch protocols on risk of injury
in other populations," the authors write. "It would be particularly
interesting to determine if more prolonged stretching carried out by
recreational athletes over many months or years can produce meaningful
reductions in risk of injury."

In an accompanying editorial, Domhnall MacAuley, from The Queen's University
of Belfast, and Thomas M. Best, from the University of Wisconsin Medical
School in Madison, point out that much in sport and exercise medicine is not
supported by research evidence.

"Stretching is long established as one of the fundamental principles in
athletic care.... Sport is rife with pseudoscience, and it is difficult to
disentangle the evangelical enthusiasm of the locker room from research
evidence," they write. Other unanswered questions about musculoskeletal
injury include the value of ice, compression, and elevation, as well as the
optimal frequency and duration of these treatments.

"Much of sport and exercise medicine and the management of musculoskeletal
injury has developed empirically, with little research evidence," they
conclude. "Some of the basic principles of caring for acute injuries of the
soft tissues have never been questioned, yet there is often little evidence
to support common practice."

*BMJ.* 2002;325:451-452, 468-470

*Reviewed by Gary D. Vogin, MD*


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

I meant Chessie man, not cheese man.
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-----Original Message-----
From: "Rich Gendron" <rggendro@...>
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 2009 12:45:29
To: <scott.weinhold@...>; RATS<trirats@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Re: [Tri RATS] aquabike or aquavelo

Cheese man has a swim only and aqua bike option.  Heard a rumor e00c was the
last year for it.
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-----Original Message-----
From: "Scott H Weinhold" <scott.weinhold@...>
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 2009 06:07:44
To: <trirats@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [Tri RATS] aquabike or aquavelo

Are there any good races in this area or do most people who can't run just
do triathlons and not run?  Is there a separate division in triathlons?



Scott





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[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Cheese man has a swim only and aqua bike option.  Heard a rumor e00c was the
last year for it.
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From: "Scott H Weinhold" <scott.weinhold@...>
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 2009 06:07:44
To: <trirats@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [Tri RATS] aquabike or aquavelo

Are there any good races in this area or do most people who can't run just
do triathlons and not run?  Is there a separate division in triathlons?



Scott





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Eagleman in June has a half-iron distance Aquavelo.



Chesapeakeman in September has an iron-distance Aquavelo.



Have fun!
Melissa



To: trirats@yahoogroups.com
From: scott.weinhold@...
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 2009 06:07:44 -0500
Subject: [Tri RATS] aquabike or aquavelo





Are there any good races in this area or do most people who can't run just
do triathlons and not run? Is there a separate division in triathlons?

Scott

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Dear friends,

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USAT-certified Triathlon coaches who have all qualified for and race in Kona,
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Ironman veteran and will provide you with the expert knowledge and practical
skills to improve your performance in an Ironman triathlon.  Camp runs for Fri @
10 AM through Sun @ 2 PM and includes Ironman specific workouts in all three
events.

Timing is perfect for any athletes training for summer Ironman races like Coeur
d'Alene, Lake Placid, Ironman Germany or Vineman.

Location: The camp will be headquartered at scenic Sherando Lake, Virginia near
Waynesboro (adjacent to both the southern entrance of Skyline Drive and the
northern entrance to the Blue Ridge Parkway).  It's a 2.5 hour drive from
Reston.

Cost: Only $345 if you pay in full or reserve your spot with a $100 deposit by
12/31/09!  Regular price is $395. Includes all meals, seminars and a camping
spot at our group campground.

Attendance is limited to only 20 participants so sign up now to reserve your
spot!

More information to register: www.enduranceworks.net then click on "Camps" in
the menu bar.  Please contact me with any questions: david@....

Best regards,

David Glover
Email: david@...
Web: enduranceworks.net

Hi Tom,

Another great Ironman race usually the weekend after Lake Placid is the (Full)
Vineman (www.vineman.com) in Santa Rosa, CA.  Vineman just celebrated its 20th
anniversary this year - it's the oldest Ironman race in the continental U.S. -
and offers the full 140.6 Ironman distance without having to sign up a year in
advance.

I've done the race 6x and keep going back because of the venue (Sonoma County =
wine country) and the overall experience.

Cheers,
David Glover
Web: enduranceworks.net

--- In trirats@yahoogroups.com, Tom Barbieri <tom.barbieri@...> wrote:
>
> Hey RATs -
>
> I am doing some long-term planning. Included is IM Lake Placid in 2011. I have
heard that signing up the day after the event for the next year, on-location is
preferred. Is there an advantage to doing this over signing up on-line? Is it
difficult to sign-up on-line?
>
> I volunteered at the 2000 & 2001 races, but did investigate sign-up
procedures. That distance was not even "a glimmer in my eye" at the time. From
experience, can anyone share any secrets on how I should plan on signing up for
this high-demand event?
>
> Thanks!
>
> Tom Barbieri
>
> 703-657-9329 Cell
> 703-391-6064 Home
>
> tom.barbieri@...
>

Are there any good races in this area or do most people who can't run just
do triathlons and not run?  Is there a separate division in triathlons?



Scott





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You can also consider the community fund slot.  I was unable to be there to
volunteer and get in line so my only option turned out to be the community
fund slot.  Frankly, it turned out cheaper for me than volunteering would
have been.  If your company or spouses' company does a charitable donation
match then they will cover half the fee.  Then, if you consider the tax
deduction you end up spending less than the travel, food, and lodging would
cost you to go up there for the weekend to volunteer.



I like to volunteer just for the sake of volunteering so I'm not suggesting
that it's a bad thing; I'm just suggesting that if you have no other options
the community fund slot can be a good option, and potentially an even lower
cost option than volunteering to get a slot.  It also has the benefit of
being transferable to another race should something come up that would keep
you from being able to participate.



Scott





From: trirats@yahoogroups.com [mailto:trirats@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Erik Melis
Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2009 8:44 PM
To: 'Tom Barbieri'; trirats@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Tri RATS] IM Lake Placid





Tom,

After last year's race, which my wife and I did, the demand for on-site
registration for the 2009 race was so great that there was no on-line
registration for the race at all. My recommendation if you want the best
shot at being able to get into the race in 2011 is to be a volunteer at the
2010 race since volunteers get priority chance at on-site registration over
the general public.

Good luck,

Erik

-----Original Message-----
From: trirats@yahoogroups.com <mailto:trirats%40yahoogroups.com>
[mailto:trirats@yahoogroups.com <mailto:trirats%40yahoogroups.com> ] On
Behalf Of
Tom Barbieri
Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2009 7:26 PM
To: trirats@yahoogroups.com <mailto:trirats%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [Tri RATS] IM Lake Placid

Hey RATs -

I am doing some long-term planning. Included is IM Lake Placid in 2011. I
have heard that signing up the day after the event for the next year,
on-location is preferred. Is there an advantage to doing this over signing
up on-line? Is it difficult to sign-up on-line?

I volunteered at the 2000 & 2001 races, but did investigate sign-up
procedures. That distance was not even "a glimmer in my eye" at the time.
From experience, can anyone share any secrets on how I should plan on
signing up for this high-demand event?

Thanks!

Tom Barbieri

703-657-9329 Cell
703-391-6064 Home

tom.barbieri@... <mailto:tom.barbieri%40me.com>

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