Looking to do the Pan Ohio Hope ride on Aug. 7-10th, a 4 day ride from
Cleveland to Ohio. Has anyone done this before? What are your
suggestions? Insights? What was your experiance? Was is a good ride?
Any information will help. Thanks! CF

Hello,

There is a great ride coming up 7/24 - 7/27 called the Wish A Mile 300
(WAM 300). This is not only a great ride from Traverse City to Chelsea
MI but also benefits the Children of the Make A Wish foundation!

The Make-A-Wish Foundation of Michigan has set a goal to grant 200
wishes ($1.6 million) this year. I have set my fundraising goal at
$1,000 and am writing this post to request your support for the
children of the Make-A-Wish Foundation. A donation would be greatly
appreciated. On behalf of the Make-A-Wish Children, thank you in
advance for helping to make wishes come true.

Making a donation is easy. I have enclosed a link to my personal WAM
300 fundraising page below:
http://netcommunity.wishmich.org/NETCOMMUNITY/Page.aspx?
pid=191&srcid=214&frsid=167

Alternatively:
- goto www.wishmich.org
- select the WAM page underneath the Donate Now button
- select Donate on the right side of the page
- search using my last name
- select my name Chuck Cory
- Select Donate Now

Thank you for helping to share in the power of a wish!

Chuck

Any news update about the Sun AM hit and run on 23 ?

Just wanted to give you a big thank-you for saving my Sunday and getting me
going again after i had my 2nd flat of the day about 15miles out of Portsmouth. 
It was drizzling rain and you still stopped to help me on the side of the road
by giving me a spare tube and then pumping it up for me after my cheap pump
wasn't doing it! If you recognize yourself or if anyone reading this recognizes
this man please tell me who he is! He was tall maybe 6'0 to 6'2, an older man in
his 50's or 60's with a strong IRISH accent and was wearing a rain poncho i
think.  Thanks for your help, Dan W. Ontario, Canada

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Contact the Ad Council

http://www.adcouncil.org/

And ask them to run these types of commercials.

Safe for work.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=wvlkTO8bsWs&feature=related

or search "TAC Australia" on youtube

Thanks

I rode my first TOSRV at age 16 in 1974 and finally made it back in
2008 at 50! Yep i took a 34yr hiatus from TOSRV, only because i'm a
long ways away living here in Ontario Canada! But what a great time i
had and i can't wait to ride TOSRV again, this time i'm not waiting
34yrs! I just wanted to say a special thankyou to a man who stopped on
the side of the road on Sunday morning and helped me change my second
flat in the rain! I used my one and only spare tube on my first flat
and the pump i had was no good either. This man stopped in the rain,
gave me his spare and had a good pump, to get me going again! I dont
think i properly thanked you enough. You were a older man maybe late
50's to early 60's quite tall and had a very distinct IRISH accent. If
you recognize yourself, thanks a million pal!   Dan from Ont Canada.

All,
   I am looking for photos of the Chillicothe food stop.
In particular, photos of the people at the drink station.
I am the person in charge of Chillicothe.  I am trying to put an album
together. Any help appreciated.  Contact me at telstar46@...

I just returned from the Ride of Silence, and as I took off my
jersey, I read the back: "3000 Riders".

Perhaps a tribute/memorial would be to change it to read "2999
Riders" on future jerseys/t-shirts.

~ Frank


On May 14, 2008, at 7:05 PM, WrayJean Cornwell wrote:

> That would also work.....good idea.
> WJ
>
> pdmasterson77@... wrote:
> How about integrating his rider number in next years jerseys and t-
> shirts like a black circle wirth his number or hand out stickers
> wirth his number to put on our helments.
> Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: WrayJean Cornwell
>
> Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 07:03:41
> To:tourofthesciotorivervalley@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [TOSRV] Memorial
>
> That's a very good idea.....it sure would open a lot of drivers eyes.
> WJ
>
> bucapmark45 s.com> wrote:
> Has there been consideration in regards to memorializing the biker who
> was killed that might help draw attention to the danger of cars
> hitting
> bikers? In Bicycling magazine, I've seen pictures of old bikes fixed
> on a stand/pole at the site of fatal car vs bike accidents. My hope is
> someone might have an old bike that they could place at the accident
> site.
>
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>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
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>
>
>



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Tour de Donut is a blast.  Wonderful delicious glazed donuts, as many
as you can eat.  Better eat them fast though, to get the time benefit.
I was 2nd in the mens over 50 group last year and my son was 1st in the
mens under 50.  He didn't eat any donuts though, just road very fast.

Ride is very well done and we are retuning this year with donuts and
victory in mind.

Check out the video:

http://www.dothetest.co.uk/

As a recreational rider and one that's always looking for a well
supported bike tour let me invite you to participate in a National MS
Society Bike Event....the MS150 Bike the Bluegrass.
When I signed on to do my first MS ride in 2006 it was because I
wanted to join other cyclists on a well support bike tour through the
hills of Eastern Kentucky and not because I thought I could make a
difference to someone living with MS. Over the next two years I had
the opportunity to meet some extraordinary people who share a common
thread, they or thier loved one has MS. They live each day fighting
battles to accomplish lifes simplist of tasks. Despite the obstacles
they live with they have inspired me with their positive attitudes
and faith that we are all truly cycling for a cure.
Now as I approach the countdown to the MS150 Bike the Bluegrass I
will ride as a member of Team Schellers to bring attention to this
terrible disease. This time I signed on because I know I can make a
difference to someone living with MS. Understand that MS is affecting
many people in your life or friends lives that we are not even aware
of. It can affect anyone at anytime.
If you can not ride then please consider making a donation to the
National MS Society to support research efforts that will end MS.
by following the attached link to my webpage you can join to ride or
support my ride.

http://main.nationalmssociety.org/site/TR/Bike/KYWBikeEvents?
px=4411658&pg=personal&fr_id=7744

How do you register and how much is it? Any custard doughnuts?!!!!

Hello TOSRV,

Please accept my invitation to join our club, the Cleveland Touring
Club, to  ride Sunday in June on June 8th.  The ride starts in Burton,
Ohio at Century  Village and features a four course hot pasta lunch with
chicken (or veggie).  We expect between 600 & 800 riders and we offer
routes of 25, 50, 62 & 100 miles.  You can find out more about the ride
and print an entry form at:
http://www.clevelandtouringclub.org/sij_2008.htm
<http://www.clevelandtouringclub.org/sij_2008.htm> .
Early registration must be postmarked by this upcoming Saturday, May
24th.  Or if you wish, you can register on-site.  If you have questions,
please do not hesitate to contact me at ClevelandTouringClub@...
or call 440.975.9744.


Best,
Bill Maurey
Sunday in June Ride Director
Cleveland Touring Club



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[In Homer Simpson Voice]
MMmmmmm, Doougghhnuts......

bowersock98 wrote:
>
> Tour De Donut Ohio will be September 6, 2008 in
> Arcanum Ohio at Brumbaugh Fruit/Fun Farm
>
> For those of you that have not heard, this is a unique
> and very fun "race". Your ride of the 30 mile F-L-A-T
> course is timed. At the 3 rest stops you can eat
> donuts. For every donut your eat your card is punched.
> Every donut you eat reduces your time by 5 minutes.
> Prizes for many classes.
>
> Last year top eater consumed 18 donuts!!!!
> Top female ate 15!!!!!!
> You do not have to eat donuts, there will be plenty of
> other good eats.
>
> Fresh apple cider from Brumbaugh Fruit Farm.
> Bring the family for a day of farm fun at Brumbaugh
> Fruit Farm!!!!!!!!!!!
>
> The ride will sell out at 400 riders this
> year-register TODAY.
>
> www.colavitaohiocycling.com
>
>



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Tour De Donut Ohio  will be September 6, 2008 in
Arcanum Ohio at Brumbaugh Fruit/Fun Farm

For those of you that have not heard, this is a unique
and very fun "race".  Your ride of the 30 mile F-L-A-T
course is timed. At the 3 rest stops you can eat
donuts. For every donut your eat your card is punched.
Every donut you eat reduces your time by 5 minutes.
Prizes for many classes.

Last year top eater consumed 18 donuts!!!!
Top female ate 15!!!!!!
You do not have to eat donuts, there will be plenty of
other good eats.

Fresh apple cider from Brumbaugh Fruit Farm.
Bring the family for a day of farm fun at Brumbaugh
Fruit Farm!!!!!!!!!!!

The ride will sell out at 400 riders this
year-register TODAY.

www.colavitaohiocycling.com

2008 Annie Oakley Bike Tour will be July 20 in
Greenville Ohio

15 mile escorted family
25, 50, 62, 100 mile options visiting Annie Oakley
Historic sites with historians from the Annie Oakley
museum on site to answer questions.

Live music, Rope Tricks and other Western Arts at rest
stops.

Full service ride, on rural roads
All options are flat, except the 100 miler

www.colavitaohiocycling.com

Not the best pictures but heres what I got.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/76274250@N00/2499965554/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/76274250@N00/2499965330/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/76274250@N00/2499138837/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/76274250@N00/2499964754/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/76274250@N00/2499964594/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/76274250@N00/2499964350/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/76274250@N00/2499137791/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/76274250@N00/2499963760/

Just noticed these two photos from Saturday. One of the mural, one of
the stadium.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/76274250@N00/2499964166/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/76274250@N00/2500037608/

And one obligatory bike shot from Saturday.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/76274250@N00/2499137155/

I saw him fall.  He shifted when going up the hill and his chain came
off.  When the chain came off he lost all his speed and he couldn't
get his cleats out of his pedals.  With all that happening he lost
his balance and took a hard fall.


--- In tourofthesciotorivervalley@yahoogroups.com, "drnotta"
<DrNotta@...> wrote:
>
> I don't know what happened, but I passed that group before you did.
> The older man was lying on the ground, but conscious and talking.
By
> their body language, the other riders in the group seemed concerned
> but not panicked. There didn't seem to be anyone else injured
besides
> the man on the ground. There were no emergency personnel on scene
yet.
> I thought it might not have been an accident (it was a very weird
> place for a crash) but some type of medical problem. Hope he's
well,
> anyhow.
>

I'll second the Hubbub recommendation - I started riding my fitted
Seven a couple weeks ago, and it makes a difference in comfort and
efficiency.  The hills feel about 10-15% smaller.   They are actually in
Chesterland, and sell only fitted bikes.  They do repairs and parts, too.

Brad Bolton

mrwwrm1 wrote: I don't know about Columbus, but in the Cleveland area
check out
http://www.hubbub.com/ <http://www.hubbub.com/> Diane and Brian are
fantastic at fitting.

Hello all,

I posted my photos on Photobucket -

http://s304.photobucket.com/albums/nn172/gunslinger1911/TOSRV%2008/

I think the mural pix are on page 5.
Enjoy

Only 11 1/2 months till TOSRV '09 !!!!!!!!!
Ross

--- In tourofthesciotorivervalley@yahoogroups.com, "bontempscharly"
<bontempscharly@...> wrote:
>
> --- In tourofthesciotorivervalley@yahoogroups.com, bikewalder
> <no_reply@> wrote:
> >
> > Did anyone take pictures of the new mural and have them posted
anywhere?
> >
>
> I took severa; only three are posted:
>
http://mrguilt.vox.com/library/photo/6a00ccff89bd73673100f48cf774ef000
2.html
> http://mrguilt.vox.com/library/post/mostly-done.html
> http://mrguilt.vox.com/library/post/10432-miles-entering-
portsmouth.html
>
> All my TOSRV posts:
> http://mrguilt.vox.com/library/posts/tags/tosrv+2008/
>
> Enjoy!
>

I don't know about Columbus, but in the Cleveland area check out
http://www.hubbub.com/  Diane and Brian are fantastic at fitting.


--- In tourofthesciotorivervalley@yahoogroups.com, "drnotta"
<DrNotta@...> wrote:
>
> --- In tourofthesciotorivervalley@yahoogroups.com, "mickhewlett"
> <mickhewlett@> wrote:
>
> > patella tendonitis.
> >
>
> Many people's "Bible" of bike fit is Andy Pruitt's Complete Medical
> Guide for Cyclists.
>
> Besides seat height, seat placement and cleat placement, which other
> people have mentioned, crankarm length can be an issue too if you
have
> short femurs.
>
> Does anyone know a good bike fitter in the Columbus area? Lots of
> shops advertise they have gadgets and whatnot, but is there a human
> being who knows what s/he's doing?
>
> Back to your regularly scheduled thread: I wish I'd seen those
mirrors.
>

--- In tourofthesciotorivervalley@yahoogroups.com, "mickhewlett"
<mickhewlett@...> wrote:

> patella tendonitis.
>

Many people's "Bible" of bike fit is Andy Pruitt's Complete Medical
Guide for Cyclists.

Besides seat height, seat placement and cleat placement, which other
people have mentioned, crankarm length can be an issue too if you have
short femurs.

Does anyone know a good bike fitter in the Columbus area? Lots of
shops advertise they have gadgets and whatnot, but is there a human
being who knows what s/he's doing?

Back to your regularly scheduled thread: I wish I'd seen those mirrors.

Greetings all: As usual, many a postings in May after the ride, albeit
the sad tale of the poor Doctor's passing.

I am however glad to have done the ride, successfully completing both
days, and without a flat! Seems there was a larger amount
than "normal"...maybe the rain on Sunday contributed.........

Charlie Pace, great to see you Saturday morning! I have pegged a motto
for TOSRV 2008.....real proud to have coined it "Better a wet tailwind
than a dry headwind"...............we have had a few tailwinds each way
over the years,but Sunday's was awesome, and a TOSRV without rain is
like a normal day without sunshine!

Best regards, see you in 2009..............tony, echo,or, TOSRV since 84

1. Insufficient training.  You can’t expect to ride a bunch of 30-mile
rides, for example, and then do back-to-back centuries without pain
2. Poor pacing.  If you do the last 25 mi. much slower than the first 25,
you are over stripping your ability and looking for trouble.  I always start
out slow and pour it on at the end if I feel good.  Then I am excited in
anticipation of my next long ride.
3. Poor bike fit.  Often the front of the knee will hurt with insufficient
seat height and the rear with too much, but there are all sorts of other fit
issues such as cleat placement, seat forward and aft, even one leg longer
than the other.  I ride a recumbent, so I can’t be more specific here.
4. Insufficient nutrition.  Lack of electrolytes and insufficient hydration
can both cause cramps and slow recovery.  Failure to replace carbs after the
ride can also slow recovery.  There are specialized products that can help.
You can learn about this at www.hammernutrition.com
<http://www.hammernutrition.com/> .  They cater to the ultra endurance
athlete and some of their material is self-serving, but still a good source.
Doing comfortable century rides is the first step to ultra endurance riding.
5. Lack of stretching and strengthening exercises.  Bicycling is a
repetitive motion that strengthens muscle groups while leaving others
relatively weak.  Squats, lunges, hamstring, and quad stretches can make a
big difference in preventing pain, easing recovery and preventing injury.
Never do these cold!  Always warm up first and don’t overdo it.  A trip to a
sports oriented physical therapist would be a good way to get a routine
aimed at your fitness level.
6. I don’t think that cold temps should be an issue if you do the above.  I
see brevet riders riding in the 30s and 40s in shorts without knee problems.

For those of you who really want to learn about yourselves and your
capabilities, I suggest you consider randonneuring.  It’s for people who
want to see what’s beyond riding centuries.  That community can offer
suggestions to help in the areas I mentioned above, as well as in the areas
of equipment, training etc.  For more information see:  http://www.rusa.org/

For the record, I am an ultra endurance bicyclist who uses Hammer products
and is a RUSA member and rides their events.  I have no other vested
interest in either group.

Harry Spatz

-----Original Message-----
From: tourofthesciotorivervalley@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:tourofthesciotorivervalley@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of
juliesmith_87
Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2008 8:59 AM
To: tourofthesciotorivervalley@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [TOSRV] Re: CHUCK HARRIS MIRRORS

I have had the same issue with my knees, this is my 3rd TOSRV and I
noticed the problem on my first one and again on this one. Last
year, my knees ached after two days but it wasn't a big deal (at
least I could still walk up stairs!). I have come to the conclusion
that the temperature at the start of the day has a lot to do with
whether or not my knees will hurt at the end of the day. Last year
it was a bit warmer in the morning (i think). My first TOSRV I rode
in sleet/rain to Circleville with no leggings and I did not wear my
leggings this year. Next time I ride and the temp is below 50 I will
be using Icy Hot and leggings, just to see if my theory is correct.
I just feel like I hurt more when it takes longer to warm up because
of weather. I'm no health care professional but so far my knee pain
has always been consistent with the weather at the start of the day.

Pick up a copy of the book "Bike for Life: How to Ride to 100" it
has section on this very subject as well as an abundance of other
great information.

Julie


--- In tourofthesciotorivervalley@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:tourofthesciotorivervalley%40yahoogroups.com> , "mickhewlett"
<mickhewlett@...> wrote:
>
> THOSE mirrors that Chuck Harris provides are really cool. I didnt
know
> that one of the components used in producing these things is an
actual
> bicycle spoke!!!
>
> This was my first TOSRV and it was a blast. I did suffer a case
of
> patella tendonitis. Anyone know how to eliminate it from
reoccuring
> during longer rides.....20-40miles are not a problem, i didnt
start
> feeling the pain until waverly (apprx 75miles).
>
> Any suggestions will greatly be appreciated.
>
> thanks all for a great ride and thanks to the volunteers for
excellent
> hospitable service.
>
> I put together a little pictorial of my first TOSRV!!!
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tuo7CHk7e94
<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tuo7CHk7e94>
>



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I too love the Chuck Harris mirrors. I got my first one last year at
Hancock Horizontal Hundred and I was instantly devoted. Not only do
these mirrors have a larger visable range of sight, but they are the
most STABLE and still bicycle mirror I have ever owned (and that
includes the one I used to have on my handbars on my hybrid). I love
these mirrors. I just about another one from my club for my helmet
(the other one I have attaches to my sunglasses).

Every time I see Chuck Harris, I want to buy out his entire table...
I want a life-time supply of his mirrors so that I'm never forced to
buy another store brand again!

I did not know they were made out of bike spokes. WAY COOL.

Always,

Heidi E

--- In tourofthesciotorivervalley@yahoogroups.com, "mickhewlett"
<mickhewlett@...> wrote:
>
> THOSE mirrors that Chuck Harris provides are really cool.  I didnt
know
> that one of the components used in producing these things is an
actual
> bicycle spoke!!!
>
> This was my first TOSRV and it was a blast.  I did suffer a case of
> patella tendonitis.  Anyone know how to eliminate it from
reoccuring
> during longer rides.....20-40miles are not a problem, i didnt start
> feeling the pain until waverly (apprx 75miles).
>
> Any suggestions will greatly be appreciated.
>
> thanks all for a great ride and thanks to the volunteers for
excellent
> hospitable  service.
>
> I put together a little pictorial of my first TOSRV!!!
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tuo7CHk7e94
>

Mickhewlett, thanks for sharing that!  Wish I had been there this year.

It led me to another video of the mural...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xtuc9kjUC_Y




________________________________

	 From: tourofthesciotorivervalley@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:tourofthesciotorivervalley@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
mickhewlett
	 Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2008 8:37 AM
	 To: tourofthesciotorivervalley@yahoogroups.com
	 Subject: [TOSRV] CHUCK HARRIS MIRRORS



	 THOSE mirrors that Chuck Harris provides are really cool. I
didnt know
	 that one of the components used in producing these things is an
actual
	 bicycle spoke!!!

	 This was my first TOSRV and it was a blast. I did suffer a case
of
	 patella tendonitis. Anyone know how to eliminate it from
reoccuring
	 during longer rides.....20-40miles are not a problem, i didnt
start
	 feeling the pain until waverly (apprx 75miles).

	 Any suggestions will greatly be appreciated.

	 thanks all for a great ride and thanks to the volunteers for
excellent
	 hospitable service.

	 I put together a little pictorial of my first TOSRV!!!
	 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tuo7CHk7e94
<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tuo7CHk7e94>







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--- In tourofthesciotorivervalley@yahoogroups.com, bikewalder
<no_reply@...> wrote:
>
> Did anyone take pictures of the new mural and have them posted anywhere?
>

I took severa; only three are posted:
http://mrguilt.vox.com/library/photo/6a00ccff89bd73673100f48cf774ef0002.html
http://mrguilt.vox.com/library/post/mostly-done.html
http://mrguilt.vox.com/library/post/10432-miles-entering-portsmouth.html

All my TOSRV posts:
http://mrguilt.vox.com/library/posts/tags/tosrv+2008/

Enjoy!

I have had the same issue with my knees, this is my 3rd TOSRV and I
noticed the problem on my first one and again on this one. Last
year, my knees ached after two days but it wasn't a big deal (at
least I could still walk up stairs!). I have come to the conclusion
that the temperature at the start of the day has a lot to do with
whether or not my knees will hurt at the end of the day. Last year
it was a bit warmer in the morning (i think). My first TOSRV I rode
in sleet/rain to Circleville with no leggings and I did not wear my
leggings this year. Next time I ride and the temp is below 50 I will
be using Icy Hot and leggings, just to see if my theory is correct.
I just feel like I hurt more when it takes longer to warm up because
of weather. I'm no health care professional but so far my knee pain
has always been consistent with the weather at the start of the day.

Pick up a copy of the book "Bike for Life: How to Ride to 100" it
has section on this very subject as well as an abundance of other
great information.

Julie


--- In tourofthesciotorivervalley@yahoogroups.com, "mickhewlett"
<mickhewlett@...> wrote:
>
> THOSE mirrors that Chuck Harris provides are really cool.  I didnt
know
> that one of the components used in producing these things is an
actual
> bicycle spoke!!!
>
> This was my first TOSRV and it was a blast.  I did suffer a case
of
> patella tendonitis.  Anyone know how to eliminate it from
reoccuring
> during longer rides.....20-40miles are not a problem, i didnt
start
> feeling the pain until waverly (apprx 75miles).
>
> Any suggestions will greatly be appreciated.
>
> thanks all for a great ride and thanks to the volunteers for
excellent
> hospitable  service.
>
> I put together a little pictorial of my first TOSRV!!!
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tuo7CHk7e94
>

THOSE mirrors that Chuck Harris provides are really cool.  I didnt know
that one of the components used in producing these things is an actual
bicycle spoke!!!

This was my first TOSRV and it was a blast.  I did suffer a case of
patella tendonitis.  Anyone know how to eliminate it from reoccuring
during longer rides.....20-40miles are not a problem, i didnt start
feeling the pain until waverly (apprx 75miles).

Any suggestions will greatly be appreciated.

thanks all for a great ride and thanks to the volunteers for excellent
hospitable  service.

I put together a little pictorial of my first TOSRV!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tuo7CHk7e94

No, but I spent a week there one night.

mmurphy33@... wrote:                             To Ralph,

  Did you by chance once live in the Northtowne/Northland are of north
  Columbus?

  Thanks,

  Mike Murphy

  On May 14, 2008, at 7:42 PM, Ralph Beale wrote:

  > I'm exhausted just reading your itinerary
  >
  > jbb9495 <jbb9495@...> wrote: If you want more than just a mere
  > 2 day 200 mile ride then join us for
  > a 4 day 400 mile ride. We add the Friday before TOSRV and ride from
  > Cincinnati to Columbus(100 miles), then hook up with TOSRV and ride
  > with 3000 of our best friends to Portsmouth. Party in the park and
  > return with everyone on Sunday to Columbus. Monday we ride back to
  > Cincinnati(100 miles)on fairly flat, well marked, country roads. We
  > even have a SAG for bags.
  > Contact : bjohnson@...
  >
  >
  >
  >
  >
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  >
  >
  >

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