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In a message dated 07/10/03 5:38:03 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
no_reply@yahoogroups.com writes:

> Over the years I've seen many players come and go, yes they make the team
> but as they leave they don't break the team, you bond with new
> players....guess its really what
> life is about.

      You are right, but still, it's painful for me to see Tom having to play
against the Braves now, seeing the media make a fuss over it, and seeing both
Tom & Greg Maddux not as productive as they used to be.  I think they are
having trouble with that new machine being used in some ballparks (Shea is one)
that signal the umpire whether a pitch is in or out of the strike zone.  Control
pitchers like Glavine & Maddux need to be able to fool hitters into swinging
at something that isn't going where the batter thinks it's going.  I read
yesterday that Tom complained that umpires have told him that they aren't going
to
give him any called strikes "on the corners" when the machine tells them it
is out.
      It looks like technology is starting to take the game out of the hands
of the umpires, and when you make baseball less about strategy and more about
science, I think it takes a lot of the enjoyment out of watching baseball.  I
hope our guys can rebound in the second half of the season.

       Pam

Honk if you love peace & quiet!

9-11-2001 Always remember...
YYYYYYYYYY
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If I had everything I'd carry it in my heart and pass it out to all
the wonderful people in the world, meanwhile I would enjoy life just
as much as I do now.

I agree, I am a Braves fan.  Over the years I've seen many players
come and go, yes they make the team but as they leave they don't
break the team, you bond with new players....guess its really what
life is about.  Think of all the friends you've had through the years
and how many you've left behind but also remember how many you have
now.  They all shape who you are but not what you are.




--- In tomglavineclub@yahoogroups.com, sungold723@a... wrote:
> In a message dated 04/30/03 2:28:45 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
> no_reply@yahoogroups.com writes:
>
> > You love a team but, it is always changing. I am a Braves fan
forever and,
> > miss Glavine. I wish him the best...
>
>      Well, this list does not get very much action.  Having said
that, I feel
> as you did, very sorry that they let Tom go.  (And Kevin Millwood,
too.)  I
> am a Braves fan first, but I always liked Tom as a player and as a
person
> (not that I ever met him, but everything I've read about him has
been so
> positive).  I won't put the blame on Tom, this is how baseball (and
NFL
> football) is now; you can probably kiss goodbye the notion that any
one
> player will remain with one team for his whole career.  From what I
read, Tom
> would have liked to stay with the Braves, but they really didn't
offer him
> anything.  For a player of his longevity, I thought that the Braves
owed him
> a decent contract offer, or a good reason why not.  Sometimes,
maybe it's
> your pride that's on the line.  I am still a Braves fan, not a Mets
fan, but
> I continue to wish Tom Glavine all the best in his career, and in
his future.
>
>       Pam
>
> You can't have everything.  Where would you put it?
>
> 9-11-2001 Always remember...
> YYYYYYYYYY
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> YYYYYYYYYY
> YYYYYYYYYY
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Now that he's playing for a last place team, he probably regrets the
decision himself.
I'm only surprised that his record is as good as it.
How much better would his record be if he didn't have overpaid
bufoons like Mo Vaughn backing him up?

--- In tomglavineclub@yahoogroups.com, dees_car <no_reply@y...>
wrote:
> I have been a Tom Glavine fan for 11 years now, he is my favorite
> player and always will be. I have met Tom more than once and he is
> always so giving toward his fans in fact I met him again in March
at
> the Mets Spring Training camp and as always he was still the
nicest
> player I have ever met. I was very upset and disappointed how the
> Braves treated him because to me they will never have another
player
> as dedicated to the game, the team, and his fans. He is truely the
> example of what a baseball player should be. I wish him the best
of
> luck. And for the Braves we'll it's their loss.

I have been a Tom Glavine fan for 11 years now, he is my favorite
player and always will be. I have met Tom more than once and he is
always so giving toward his fans in fact I met him again in March at
the Mets Spring Training camp and as always he was still the nicest
player I have ever met. I was very upset and disappointed how the
Braves treated him because to me they will never have another player
as dedicated to the game, the team, and his fans. He is truely the
example of what a baseball player should be. I wish him the best of
luck. And for the Braves we'll it's their loss.

In a message dated 04/30/03 2:28:45 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
no_reply@yahoogroups.com writes:

> You love a team but, it is always changing. I am a Braves fan forever and,
> miss Glavine. I wish him the best...

      Well, this list does not get very much action.  Having said that, I feel
as you did, very sorry that they let Tom go.  (And Kevin Millwood, too.)  I
am a Braves fan first, but I always liked Tom as a player and as a person
(not that I ever met him, but everything I've read about him has been so
positive).  I won't put the blame on Tom, this is how baseball (and NFL
football) is now; you can probably kiss goodbye the notion that any one
player will remain with one team for his whole career.  From what I read, Tom
would have liked to stay with the Braves, but they really didn't offer him
anything.  For a player of his longevity, I thought that the Braves owed him
a decent contract offer, or a good reason why not.  Sometimes, maybe it's
your pride that's on the line.  I am still a Braves fan, not a Mets fan, but
I continue to wish Tom Glavine all the best in his career, and in his future.

       Pam

You can't have everything.  Where would you put it?

9-11-2001 Always remember...
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This is the first time that I have been to this board since Tom left
the Braves...this will be my last post as I am leaving the group. I
was angry at both sides because, they couldn't make a deal. I thought
the Braves management was too stubborn and, I was thinking Tom should
stay because, he has enough money anyway and, he should stay for his
team and, his fans. I have lost some interest in baseball because of
the things that go on. You love a team but, it is always changing. I
am a Braves fan forever and, miss Glavine. I wish him the best...I
hope the Mets treat him well. But, I will never be a Mets fan.

--- In tomglavineclub@yahoogroups.com, glavine_tom_47
<no_reply@y...> wrote:
> Where DID you find these, anyway?
>

They're in the Baseball America 2003 Super register.
That has complete career stats for every active player in baseball.

Where DID you find these, anyway?

--- In tomglavineclub@yahoogroups.com, brooklyncyclones@a... wrote:
> Here are Glavine's Minor league stats from the Baseball America 2002
Super
> Register:
>
> Yr    Club     (League)  Class  W  L  ERA    G  GS  CG  SV  IP   H
  R   ER
> BB  SO
> 1984  Braves (GCL)     R         2   3  3.34     8  7     0     0
  32   29
> 17  12   13   34
> 1985  Sumter (SAL)    A         9   6  2.35    26  26  2     0   169
  114  58
>  44   73  174
> 1986  Greenville (SL)  AA       11  6  3.41    22  22  2     0   145
  129  62
>  55   70  114
> 1986   Richmond (IL)  AAA     1   5   5.63    7   7    1     0    40
    40
> 29  25   27   12
> 1987   Richmond (IL)  AAA     6  12   3.35   22  22  4     0    150
  142 70
> 56   56   91
>
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Tommy, no matter whose uni you wear, you'll always be a fave of mine
because you care about your fans. Havne't seen you post lately, but I
am waiting to hear from you. Please come back to ATL in high spirits
and ready to show WHY you are worth the hefty price tag! You will be
missed by many.

Love, Always, DeeAnn

PS My best, of course, to Chris and the kids.

i couldn't find them anywhere online, so i figured
someone in here could help out. i was right! thanks
a ton brooklyncyclones, i appreciate it!


--- In tomglavineclub@yahoogroups.com, brooklyncyclones@a... wrote:
> Here are Glavine's Minor league stats from the Baseball America
2002
Super Register:

Here are Glavine's Minor league stats from the Baseball America 2002 Super
Register:

Yr    Club     (League)  Class  W  L  ERA    G  GS  CG  SV  IP   H   R   ER
BB  SO
1984  Braves (GCL)     R         2   3  3.34     8  7     0     0    32   29
17  12   13   34
1985  Sumter (SAL)    A         9   6  2.35    26  26  2     0   169  114  58
  44   73  174
1986  Greenville (SL)  AA       11  6  3.41    22  22  2     0   145  129  62
  55   70  114
1986   Richmond (IL)  AAA     1   5   5.63    7   7    1     0    40    40
29  25   27   12
1987   Richmond (IL)  AAA     6  12   3.35   22  22  4     0    150  142 70
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--- In tomglavineclub@yahoogroups.com, "slowmotionblur
<jchendr68@h...>" <jchendr68@h...> wrote:
> does anyone know where i can find his career minor league numbers?
> thanks!







YOU CAN PROBALY GET TOM GLAVINES MINOR LEAGUE NUMBERS ONLINE.

does anyone know where i can find his career minor league numbers?
thanks!

I know what you mean about the bad taste in your mouth, Angie. I have
it too. I'm still a Braves fan, but it's just really different now.
It really bothered me how the Braves front office treated the entire
situation. They didn't seem to do a very good job in letting Tom know
he was appreciated. I'm also bothered by some fans in Atlanta who
have bashed Tom so terribly. They call him greedy, washed up, doesn't
care about the fans and now that Maddux has agreed to arbitration,
they say "See, Maddux is more loyal that Glavine could ever be" etc,
etc. It really angers me. I'm glad he still has some of his fan base.
Cause the thing is, Tom isn't greedy. Tom isn't washed up. And Tom
certainly does care about his fans. I know that. Ugh. It's all very
unsettling. But, I've already updated my web site with photos of him
in his Mets uniform and I've already purchased a New York Mets
baseball cap. Yep, I've joined the darkside. LOL.

> No matter what uniform he wears, I will always be a Tom Glavine fan
> and I will support him now that he is a Met. I have always been
> faithful to the Atlanta Braves but you know, the way they have
> treated Tommy just leaves a bad taste in my mouth. They have only
> given Greg Maddux a one year deal and this is a man that has won
four
> Cy Young Awards while being a Brave!! What in the world is wrong
with
> the Braves management?!! To treat their two best pitchers the way
> that they have?!! Anyway back to Tommy... He's my guy and I will
> support him no matter what. I admit though, it's gonna be a bit
> strange and it's gonna take a little getting used to seeing him in
> another uniform. I am so ashamed of the Braves management!!! I just
> don't see how I am going to be able to muster up the same support
for
> them after what has happened. But I am opening up my heart and mind
> to the Mets for sure. Tom Glavine stays number one in my heart.
> Thanks for letting me share my opinion. Sincerely-Angie B.
> (anzoo30b@y...)

--- In tomglavineclub@yahoogroups.com, "stonecoldglav
<amanda47@a...>" <amanda47@a...> wrote:
> --- In tomglavineclub@yahoogroups.com, lawsonboy23 <no_reply@y...>
> wrote:
> > TOM GLAVINE IS LEAVING ATLANTA, AND EVEN WORSE HE IS GOING TO THE
> > METS.  TOM I CANT UNDERSTAND WHY YOU WOULD EVER DO THAT.
>
> Well, I think Tom really wanted to stay a member of the Atlanta
> Braves, but it just didn't work out that way. They eventually gave
> him the amount of years that he wanted in his contract, but they
> wanted him to defer a large portion of his salary in the second and
> third years...and I just don't think they could work out the dollar
> amount of that deferment. So they parted ways. It's unfortunate
> because he has spent his entire career with the Braves and it just
> seemed like he was destined to remain a brave. It's definitely
> disappointing for me as a Glavine fan. I am sure it was
disappointing
> for Tom as well. It's not that he was wanting to leave the team. He
> wanted to stay, to finish his career with the Braves. It just
> couldn't be worked out for that to happen. But, I am glad he was
able
> to find a team he felt comfortable with and that could give him
what
> he deserves. I think he has found that in the New York Mets. So, as
> much as I have been conditioned to absolutely detest the Mets, I'm
> having to sway from that now. Though I'll always remain a Braves
fan,
> I now am opening my heart to the Mets as well. Afterall, they just
> landed one of the best southpaw pitchers (not to mention one of the
> classiest human beings) in the game.

No matter what uniform he wears, I will always be a Tom Glavine fan
and I will support him now that he is a Met. I have always been
faithful to the Atlanta Braves but you know, the way they have
treated Tommy just leaves a bad taste in my mouth. They have only
given Greg Maddux a one year deal and this is a man that has won four
Cy Young Awards while being a Brave!! What in the world is wrong with
the Braves management?!! To treat their two best pitchers the way
that they have?!! Anyway back to Tommy... He's my guy and I will
support him no matter what. I admit though, it's gonna be a bit
strange and it's gonna take a little getting used to seeing him in
another uniform. I am so ashamed of the Braves management!!! I just
don't see how I am going to be able to muster up the same support for
them after what has happened. But I am opening up my heart and mind
to the Mets for sure. Tom Glavine stays number one in my heart.
Thanks for letting me share my opinion. Sincerely-Angie B.
(anzoo30b@...)

--- In tomglavineclub@yahoogroups.com, lawsonboy23 <no_reply@y...>
wrote:
> TOM GLAVINE IS LEAVING ATLANTA, AND EVEN WORSE HE IS GOING TO THE
> METS.  TOM I CANT UNDERSTAND WHY YOU WOULD EVER DO THAT.

Well, I think Tom really wanted to stay a member of the Atlanta
Braves, but it just didn't work out that way. They eventually gave
him the amount of years that he wanted in his contract, but they
wanted him to defer a large portion of his salary in the second and
third years...and I just don't think they could work out the dollar
amount of that deferment. So they parted ways. It's unfortunate
because he has spent his entire career with the Braves and it just
seemed like he was destined to remain a brave. It's definitely
disappointing for me as a Glavine fan. I am sure it was disappointing
for Tom as well. It's not that he was wanting to leave the team. He
wanted to stay, to finish his career with the Braves. It just
couldn't be worked out for that to happen. But, I am glad he was able
to find a team he felt comfortable with and that could give him what
he deserves. I think he has found that in the New York Mets. So, as
much as I have been conditioned to absolutely detest the Mets, I'm
having to sway from that now. Though I'll always remain a Braves fan,
I now am opening my heart to the Mets as well. Afterall, they just
landed one of the best southpaw pitchers (not to mention one of the
classiest human beings) in the game.

TOM GLAVINE IS LEAVING ATLANTA, AND EVEN WORSE HE IS GOING TO THE
METS.  TOM I CANT UNDERSTAND WHY YOU WOULD EVER DO THAT.

later on tom.

Sorry to see your former team treated you like yesterday's trash the
same way the Mets treated Edgardo Alfonzo by not resigning him.

It would have been nice to keep him but now he is a Met and although
I will always care for Tom I am still a Braves fan first.


--- In tomglavineclub@y..., rao1_99 <no_reply@y...> wrote:
> I have been a fan for years.  I think right around 1988.  No matter
> what you decide I will still be a fan, however it would be nice to
> keep you and "Shaniqua" in Atlanta.
>
> Ray

Would you believe this is the fourth annual survey? Amazing. Anyway,
here it is, the 2003 Braves Survey. As usual, there are a series
of questions about the Braves and MLB. Please submit your answers
to me personally at dkachur@... (remove the obvious).

After the season is over I will announce the person who got the
highest
score. As a prize, the winner will receive the eternal respect and
adoration of their fellow Braves fans.

You receive 1 point for each question you answer correctly. If
a question has a (2) beside it, that means you can get up to
2 points if you give me the correct player AND the correct number
(statistic). For example, for question 4, if you answered Chipper
Jones, you would get 1 point, but if you guessed Chipper Jones
and 158 games, you would get 2 points. If you guessed Chipper Jones
and 157 games OR Andruw Jones and 158 games, you would get 1 point.
Also, some questions are time sensitive. I will stop accepting
answers for questions 19 and 20 when the respective players sign.
I will stop accepting all answers when spring training begins.

Please direct any inquiries to me.

1) Number of Braves Wins
2) In Which Place Will the Braves Finish
3) How Many Games Ahead or Games Behind Will the Braves Finish
4) Games Played Leader (2)
5) Pitching Appearances Leader (2)
6) Batting Average Leader (2)
7) On Base Percentage Leader (2)
8) Slugging Percentage Leader (2)
9) Home Runs Leader (2)
10) Stolen Bases Leader (2)
11) Pitching Wins Leader (2)
12) Saves Leader (2)
13) Pitching Strikeouts Leader (2)
14) Which Brave Will Get the Most Rookie of the Year Votes?
15) Which Brave Will Get the Most MVP Votes?
16) Which Brave Will Get the Most Cy Young Votes?
17) Who Will Get the Most Playing Time at 1st Base?
18) Who Will Get the Most Playing Time at 2nd Base?
19) Where Will Greg Maddux pitch in 2003
20) Where will Tom Glavine pitch in 2003

MLB
1) NL East Champion
2) NL Central Champion
3) NL West Champion
4) NL Wildcard
5) AL East Champions
6) AL Central Champions
7) AL West Champions
8) AL Wildcard
9) NL Champions
10) AL Champions
11) World Champions
12) National League MVP
13) American League MVP
14) National League Cy Young Award
15) American League Cy Young Award
16) National League Rookie of the Year
17) American League Rookie of the Year
18) National League Manager of the Year
19) American League Manager of the Year
20) All Star Game Champions
21) National League Home Run Leader (2)
22) American League Home Run Leader (2)
23) National League Batting Champion (2)
24) American League Batting Champion (2)
25) National League Pitcher With the Most Strikeouts (2)
26) American League Pitcher With the Most Strikeouts (2)

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I have been a fan for years.  I think right around 1988.  No matter
what you decide I will still be a fan, however it would be nice to
keep you and "Shaniqua" in Atlanta.

Ray

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/MLB-Fans/

tom glavine,


       is getting alot older and does the same thing everyone knows he
lives on the outside of the plate and what happens boom 3 runs 4 runs
oh know we are behind and have to scratch and crwal back into the
game.

        TOMMY GLAVINE, IM A BIG FAN TRY TO WORK THE INSIDE OF PLATE
MORE MAKE THEM GET OFF THE PLATE. TRY TO ADD THE SPLIT FINGER FAST
BALL INTO UR ROTATION.

             UPSET FAN, ROGER RUSSELL   OHIO

I am sure I speak for most of your fans when I say that we are
extremely frustrated but we don't know how to help you. Say the
word. Whichever it might be. We've supported you all season long.
Please don't give up on us because we sure as heck haven't given up
on you! We're behind you all the way!

DeeAnn and your fans
www.geocities.com/glavine_tom_47

Finally, Tom gets to be the #1 starter.  I hope that this year's post
season proves to be different then the others except 95'.

Even after that nasty July, Tommy has still got it.  He pitched 7
shutout innings against the Giants and won his 16th of the year 1-0.
Good game for him!  He could still win the Cy Young although it's
looking like he won't.  Although, miracles can still happen and I can
still hold out hope.

Tom has pitched exceptionally well against the Mets this year,
yeilding only 3 runs in 3 starts so I'm hoping that he can continue
his success in his fourth start against them this season.  He is only
1-1 against New York but the way the Braves have been winning lately,
I wouldn't be surprised if the offense could get him a fe wruns to
work with.  And the game is going to be televised on ESPN, which I'm
very excited about.  Tom deserves this win, it will tie him with
Whitey Ford and it will help put him one more win closer to 20 this
year.