I met with Rich Enright and his friend Bruce Carmichael today.
They went to do some skeet shooting at 9:00 and we met at the Jasmine, a
great Chinese restaurant at 11:30 and foundered ourselves and then to Richs
house in Encinitas Calif.We had a great time with a great variety of things
to throw.
We threw lots of knives in sets of 8,mostly Cold Steel and Branton throwers.
Rich and I had 4 torpedoes between us and we lit up the targets with them.
The torpedos stick easily from 8 ft and 14 ft and I persist in trying an
underhand throw from as far as 20 ft with average luck, but it is so much
easier to throw them underhand. I don't mean easier to stick but easier to
throw the 2 lb. monsters.
They wear your arm out overhand but underhand you can just lob them in with
little effort.
It is a different throw however and takes getting used to. I'm far from
having mastered it yet.
Bruce had a throwing shovel and we had a lot of fun with that. Bruce has it
totally mastered putting in throw after throw in the bullseye and 2 point
ring.
He said it was a different type of throw and it took me 8 throws before I
had a stick.
We had 6 hawks between us and we bounced a few of them but we stuck some
too.
We threw for about 3 hours and it was great, especially for me because at
home I am a completly solitary thrower, having noone to throw with.
It's so much more enjoyable when you have a partner or two.
My wife and I, our son,daughter inlaw and 2 1/2 year old granddaughter are
headed for Anaheim and Disneyland tomorrow(Mon) for a few days,then a
wedding in LA and back again to San Diego next Sunday.
Next Tuesday (Oct 10th) I have a session setup with Carl Geddes whom I
haven't met as yet but we're getting together thru the wonders of the
internet and the hard work and love of knife throwing shown by Matt Rapaport
and Tim Valentine,unheralded managers of the Throwers List and The Sticking
Point.
Retirement is wonderful and am I ever glad I got into knife throwing.
Talk to you next week
Chuck



Chuck Fogarty

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When the sea is smooth

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Carl Geddes here.  You are welcome to call me and set up a time to come by
my house and throw a few knives.  Call me at work, my number is
800-824-2995.

Carl
-----Original Message-----
From: madinmd@... <madinmd@...>
To: thrower@egroups.com <thrower@egroups.com>
Date: Monday, September 25, 2000 5:12 AM
Subject: [thrower] San Diego Trip


>
>Mr. Fogarty:
>
>Larry Czekaj here.
>
>Some friends and I are planning a trip to San Diego in early
>November.
>It's only going to be for a weekend (dates forthcoming), but I would
>love to come by for a few hours of "hurlin' metal."
>
>What do you think?
>
> - L. H. Czekaj
>
>
>
>

Hi Carl
We're leaving now for Anaheim and LA.
As of your last email I was to call you next Mon about throwing Tues (Oct
10th). Ill be on the phone a week from today.
Chuck


>From: "cgeddes" <cgeddes@...>
>Reply-To: thrower@egroups.com
>To: <thrower@egroups.com>
>Subject: Re: [thrower] San Diego Trip
>Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2000 09:17:01 -0700
>
>Larry,
>
>Carl Geddes here.  You are welcome to call me and set up a time to come by
>my house and throw a few knives.  Call me at work, my number is
>800-824-2995.
>
>Carl
>-----Original Message-----
>From: madinmd@... <madinmd@...>
>To: thrower@egroups.com <thrower@egroups.com>
>Date: Monday, September 25, 2000 5:12 AM
>Subject: [thrower] San Diego Trip
>
>
> >
> >Mr. Fogarty:
> >
> >Larry Czekaj here.
> >
> >Some friends and I are planning a trip to San Diego in early
> >November.
> >It's only going to be for a weekend (dates forthcoming), but I would
> >love to come by for a few hours of "hurlin' metal."
> >
> >What do you think?
> >
> > - L. H. Czekaj
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>




Chuck Fogarty

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When the sea is smooth

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Chuck,

I look forward to throwing with you.  Plan on the afternoon of throwing so I
can seek away from work.  Will you be able to stay for dinner?

Carl
-----Original Message-----
From: charles fogarty <koato29@...>
To: thrower@egroups.com <thrower@egroups.com>
Date: Monday, October 02, 2000 10:51 AM
Subject: Re: [thrower] San Diego Trip


>Hi Carl
>We're leaving now for Anaheim and LA.
>As of your last email I was to call you next Mon about throwing Tues (Oct
>10th). Ill be on the phone a week from today.
>Chuck
>
>
>>From: "cgeddes" <cgeddes@...>
>>Reply-To: thrower@egroups.com
>>To: <thrower@egroups.com>
>>Subject: Re: [thrower] San Diego Trip
>>Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2000 09:17:01 -0700
>>
>>Larry,
>>
>>Carl Geddes here.  You are welcome to call me and set up a time to come by
>>my house and throw a few knives.  Call me at work, my number is
>>800-824-2995.
>>
>>Carl
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: madinmd@... <madinmd@...>
>>To: thrower@egroups.com <thrower@egroups.com>
>>Date: Monday, September 25, 2000 5:12 AM
>>Subject: [thrower] San Diego Trip
>>
>>
>> >
>> >Mr. Fogarty:
>> >
>> >Larry Czekaj here.
>> >
>> >Some friends and I are planning a trip to San Diego in early
>> >November.
>> >It's only going to be for a weekend (dates forthcoming), but I would
>> >love to come by for a few hours of "hurlin' metal."
>> >
>> >What do you think?
>> >
>> > - L. H. Czekaj
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>Chuck Fogarty
>
>Anyone can be captain
>When the sea is smooth
>
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Fellow Throwers:

Go to:

http://www.forestry.auburn.edu/forclub/Conclave/Conclave2000/KnifeThro
w.html

Who are these guys?  Anyone here a member?

  - L. H. Czekaj

Check this out...

http://www.klingon.org/KIWG/pages/kristak.htm

  - L. H. Czekaj

The group;

Does any one know who these people are??

http://www.forestry.auburn.edu/forclub/conclave/conclave2000/knifetthrow.html

Dallas Richardson wrote:

The group;

Does any one know who these people are??
Sorry, the first one was missspelled
 

http://www.forestry.auburn.edu/forclub/Conclave/Conclave2000/knifeThrow.html

maybe this one will work???

Dallas Richardson wrote:

http://www.forestry.auburn.edu/forclub/Conclave/Conclave2000/knifeThrow.html

maybe this one will work???
 

Dallas, you don't have to keep mailing the group to ask who these people
are. We've seen your question now 3 times!

This appears to be an annual contest of the Auburn U. Forestry club
(society of American Foresters). Seems like an interesting group of folks,
but I can't say I'm impressed with their knife throwing rules. The contest
seems bent on simulating a once in a lifetime throw with a real knife that
would be prone to breaking if one practiced very much with it unless the
thrower was very very good... But being into lumberjack sports (see near
the bottom of the thrower web site for links to more of this), I'm sure
the knife throwing event is but a small part of their over-all conclave.

On Thu, 5 Oct 2000, Dallas Richardson wrote:

> The group;
>
> Does any one know who these people are??
>
> http://www.forestry.auburn.edu/forclub/conclave/conclave2000/knifetthrow.html
>
>
>
>
>

    mjr@... mrapaport@... KD6KVH
   matthew rapaport     http://www.sonic.net/~quine/thrower.html
    The difference between theory and practice is that in theory
        there is no difference, while in practice, there is!

Some beautiful workmanship in these fantasy weapons, but its also
interesting that throwers are noticable for their absence, though the
double bladed axe (jey'nas) might be thrown, the pommel would make release
somewhat problematic. Seems no one has thought to put implements
specifically designed for throwing into Klingon hands...

On Thu, 5 Oct 2000 madinmd@... wrote:

> Check this out...
>
> http://www.klingon.org/KIWG/pages/kristak.htm
>
>  - L. H. Czekaj
>
>
>
>
>

    mjr@... mrapaport@... KD6KVH
   matthew rapaport     http://www.sonic.net/~quine/thrower.html
    The difference between theory and practice is that in theory
        there is no difference, while in practice, there is!

Matthew Rapaport wrote:

Dallas, you don't have to keep mailing the group to ask who these people
are. We've seen your question now 3 times!

Actually I belong to this guild
I gave K'Daq some pointers on the handle it used to be wider at the end and
would have prevented a smooth release.
Guess I have been moonlighting
Jason also known as Dk'tagh
----- Original Message -----
From: "Matthew Rapaport" <quine@...>
To: <thrower@egroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2000 7:38 PM
Subject: Re: [thrower] Klingon Knife Maker


> Some beautiful workmanship in these fantasy weapons, but its also
> interesting that throwers are noticable for their absence, though the
> double bladed axe (jey'nas) might be thrown, the pommel would make release
> somewhat problematic. Seems no one has thought to put implements
> specifically designed for throwing into Klingon hands...
>
> On Thu, 5 Oct 2000 madinmd@... wrote:
>
> > Check this out...
> >
> > http://www.klingon.org/KIWG/pages/kristak.htm
> >
> >  - L. H. Czekaj
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>    mjr@... mrapaport@... KD6KVH
>   matthew rapaport     http://www.sonic.net/~quine/thrower.html
>    The difference between theory and practice is that in theory
>        there is no difference, while in practice, there is!
>
>
>
>
>
>

In a message dated 10/5/00 5:07:05 PM Pacific Daylight Time, jchasse@...
writes:

<< Actually I belong to this guild
  I gave K'Daq some pointers on the handle it used to be wider at the end and
  would have prevented a smooth release.
  Guess I have been moonlighting
  Jason also known as Dk'tagh >>
The big banana looking thing is said to be made of titanium?  Isnt that a tad
expensive? Lee

And what Jason forgets to mention is that there is a klingon throwing
knife on the pages -though true klingons get close
               Phil
On Thu, 5 Oct 2000 15:02:40 -0400 Jason Chasse <jchasse@...> wrote:

> Actually I belong to this guild
> I gave K'Daq some pointers on the handle it used to be wider at the end and
> would have prevented a smooth release.
> Guess I have been moonlighting
> Jason also known as Dk'tagh
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Matthew Rapaport" <quine@...>
> To: <thrower@egroups.com>
> Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2000 7:38 PM
> Subject: Re: [thrower] Klingon Knife Maker
>
>
> > Some beautiful workmanship in these fantasy weapons, but its also
> > interesting that throwers are noticable for their absence, though the
> > double bladed axe (jey'nas) might be thrown, the pommel would make release
> > somewhat problematic. Seems no one has thought to put implements
> > specifically designed for throwing into Klingon hands...
> >
> > On Thu, 5 Oct 2000 madinmd@... wrote:
> >
> > > Check this out...
> > >
> > > http://www.klingon.org/KIWG/pages/kristak.htm
> > >
> > >  - L. H. Czekaj
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >    mjr@... mrapaport@... KD6KVH
> >   matthew rapaport     http://www.sonic.net/~quine/thrower.html
> >    The difference between theory and practice is that in theory
> >        there is no difference, while in practice, there is!
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>

----------------------

phil.west@...

The knife I helped him on i believe was 5160
They use a lot of titanium because these are usually show pieces and not
really for use.
I agree with Lee I dont know where they get the money for titanium.
Jason
----- Original Message -----
From: <TONKASILA@...>
To: <thrower@egroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2000 8:40 PM
Subject: Re: [thrower] Klingon Knife Maker


> In a message dated 10/5/00 5:07:05 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
jchasse@...
> writes:
>
> << Actually I belong to this guild
>  I gave K'Daq some pointers on the handle it used to be wider at the end
and
>  would have prevented a smooth release.
>  Guess I have been moonlighting
>  Jason also known as Dk'tagh >>
> The big banana looking thing is said to be made of titanium?  Isnt that a
tad
> expensive? Lee
>
>
>
>
>

I had a conversation with Bob Karp last night.  Next years's IKTA
tournament will NOT be held in conjunction with the WWAC convention
in
Las Vegas.

Bob, instead, plans to hold his tournament in Phoenix, AZ in
March...the exact dates will (hopefully) be set within the next two
weeks.

  - L. H. Czekaj

Wow, that's a change, and a breakup that's been in the works I suspect for
a few years already. Looking forward to hearing more about this.

On Fri, 6 Oct 2000 madinmd@... wrote:

> I had a conversation with Bob Karp last night.  Next years's IKTA
> tournament will NOT be held in conjunction with the WWAC convention
> in
> Las Vegas.
>
> Bob, instead, plans to hold his tournament in Phoenix, AZ in
> March...the exact dates will (hopefully) be set within the next two
> weeks.
>
>  - L. H. Czekaj
>
>
>
>
>

    mjr@... mrapaport@... KD6KVH
   matthew rapaport     http://www.sonic.net/~quine/thrower.html
    The difference between theory and practice is that in theory
        there is no difference, while in practice, there is!

To the group;
I am sending to the group, two attachments, both are of a
news paper article that I cut out, that thought that would
be of interest to this group.  Normally I do not do this,
but thought this may be an exception.

it is unreadably small on my screen...
can i get a synopsis?
TIA

A.  : .     A.  : .

superflous1@... wrote:

it is unreadably small on my screen...
can i get a synopsis?
TIA

A.  : .     A.  : .
 

still not   :-(
it's just one of web tv's limitations that scanned newsprint is
illegible i   guess.

A.  : .     A.  : .

Hi all. Apologies for the irrelevant dump from Dallas yesterday. He is
now gone (on his own I might add). This sort of thing will happen from
time to time as newbies to the net think that just everyone in the world
absolutely *must* be interested in their favorite cause celeb. They simply
do not think through the consequences of their actions and what would
happen if every one did the same thing. I apologize particularly to our
international readers for whom the material was particularly irrelevant
and some of whom must pay by the kilobyte to read this list.

While I can't stop ALL spam, I could stop attachments. That is, I can flip
a switch on the list that would prevent attachments to email. This would
stop some of the worst offenses (not that we've had many), but it would
also prevent us from sharing images relevant to the list like pics of new
throwers, knife designs, etc. If any of you have a strong feeling about
this one way or another, please email me PERSONALLY, NOT TO THE LIST, and
let me know. If I get enough sentiment for blocking attachments I'll do
it.

Personally, I'm not inclined to do it at this time. Since onelist came to
be owned by yahoo (appropos in U.S. idiom in this case) this has happened
only twice or so, and that's not too bad considering the level of activity
of this list. But do let me know if these occasional off-topic attachments
are so bothersome that you'd rather have no attachments at all. Again, do
NOT MAIL THE LIST with your opinion. Mail me (mjr@...). If
we all vote on this via the list, problem will be worse than the spam!

Thank you

Tha management :-)

    mjr@... mrapaport@... KD6KVH
   matthew rapaport     http://www.sonic.net/~quine/thrower.html
    The difference between theory and practice is that in theory
        there is no difference, while in practice, there is!

My apologies to those that aren't interested in slings, but I've been playing
with some shorter
slings and been pleasantly surprised. My first foray was with slings of about 22
to 24 inches,
and it was a bit  more accurate than the longer 29 to 32 inch slings have been
for me. My
next try was with a sling of about 15 inches, and found that I needed no wind up
to get
maximum speed from my throw, but just a single movement forward whips that
projectile
directly into the target. Doesn't mean that I haven't driven my throws into the
ground, but the
accuracy of my throws improved quite a bit with a shortened sling. Anyone else
out there
notice that? Actually Ron Hood, told about that quite a while back, about some
Indians in the
South American mountains that started with short slings of about 12 inches and
even after
moving on to longer slings still kept the shorter ones for short range small
game use. Don't
know why it took me so long to try it out myself, but the sling that I tried was
from the Truk
Island area and was 15 inches long and was from coir fiber. It came with a foot
ball shaped
stone that was roughly 4 inches long by 1 3/4 inches wide. I've not thrown the
stone( too
darn valuable to me whole and unbroken), but some one spent some time grinding
that down
to make this shape for a reason. I've also heard of South Pacific Islanders
using foot ball
shaped stones(biconical) of a larger size as hand thrown weapons(source
forgotten by now),
due to improved ballistics this shape afforded. Wonder which came first the
slingstone or the
shaped handstone?
JimB


Maker of fiber slings. Ancient weapons from nylon or hemp.  See
http://www.usasn.com/~lbt/burdine.html and
http://www.pipeline.com/~jburdine/index.html for examples of my work.
more information or send SASE to The Fiberworks Armory,
1006 Kingsview ct.:Henderson,Nv. 89015 for my brochure.

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Hi All:

I hear that you can usae a football shaped stone in a sling and it will spin
and go straight and stable in the air.  Is this so?  If so can it be done
with the hand.
Man if this works I could make mini football shurikens,  Yeah thats it mini
football shurikens HEH HEH HEH

Jason

I remeber seeing a program on The History Channel about the history of
weapons.The segment on the sling showed recovered Roman sling bullets that
were football shaped.
----- Original Message -----
From: Jason Chasse <jchasse@...>
To: <thrower@egroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, October 08, 2000 10:15 AM
Subject: [thrower] football shaped stones


> Hi All:
>
> I hear that you can usae a football shaped stone in a sling and it will
spin
> and go straight and stable in the air.  Is this so?  If so can it be done
> with the hand.
> Man if this works I could make mini football shurikens,  Yeah thats it
mini
> football shurikens HEH HEH HEH
>
> Jason
>
>
>
>

Yep, I'm still around. Just back from NY as a matter of fact.

As for " La fille sur le pont" (french title) I have to say that I
completely agree with Ed. The film is nice enough, although I found it a bit
too self-conscious, but how I wish that someone had hired me in the crew, (I
am an assistant director here in Paris) so that Daniel Auteuil could at
least have pretented that he knew how to throw a knife! The posture and the
gestures are really too fake, it seems that he doesn't even try to make us
believe that he is an actual thower!

For what I can remember Daniel Auteuil, whom I briefly met once, is left
handed. And I heard that the knives have especially been made for the film.

The only thing that puzzles me, Ed, is why he would have to change the
distance to the target when he throws the knives by the blade, especially at
such short distance. He would just have to adjust his throwing, wouldn't he
?

For once they do a movie on knife throwing, in my hometown, with people I
know, and I'm not part of it. No wonder they messed it up ;-))

Take care and split the red circle in 2

David

> Matthew Rapaport wrote
> Great review Ed, thanks! Sounds like the knife thrower was a perfect set
> up for a suicidal girl. The dramatic tension in such a relationship would
> be a natural. The French do those movies especially well! I wonder if our
> Parisian contingent (David you still here?) have seen it?
>
>>Ed Sackett wrote:
>
>> Last night I put on my jacket with the AKTA patch and went to see The
>> Girl on the Bridge (La Fille sur le Pont) at a (sort of) art theater in
>> Royal Oak, Michigan. The Girl on the Bridge has been getting more play
>> than is usual for subtitled foreign-language movies in the U.S. (most
>> Americans seem to have trouble going to a movie and reading at the same
>> time), and I think it's because of the knife throwing theme. The story
>> involves a seedy professional knife thrower named Gabor (Daniel Auteuil)
>> and a suicidal girl named Adele (Vanessa Paradis). He recruits her to be
>> the "target" in his act, and the movie follows their professional and
>> romantic ups and downs.
>>
>> The throwing? Um, well.... The throwing is all faked in conventional
>> style: knives planted in the target with a thunk! on the sound-track as
>> if they'd just stuck. A few are hammered in solidly, then plucked by a
>> prop man so they quiver; snip a few frames while editing, and there you
>> are: inexpensive drama that fools nobody.
>>
>> It would be too much to expect Daniel Auteuil to throw his own knives,
>> of course, but I wish somebody had at least given him a few minutes of
>> coaching. He stands with his feet together and throws at what appears to
>> be 3.5 to 4.5 meters (this isn't consistent) with an odd ladylike
>> motion. (Is Auteuil left handed? He throws with his left hand, and I
>> wonder if the director had him do that so that his movements would look
>> stranger. Oh well, I never made a movie, what do I know?) He throws once
>> with his right hand, just to show he can do it, and he grips the knives
>> in various wonderful ways, mostly by the handle, often palming them as
>> he addresses the target, then laying two fingers forward along the
>> blade. An uninstructed person will do this, in an unconscious attempt to
>> make the knife fly without spinning. The only time we actually see a
>> knife thrown, it hits the target sideways -- Gabor is down on his luck
>> in Istanbul, and he's bouncing them.
>>
>> The knives are interesting. They look like 12-inch Blazing Arrow or
>> Viper knockoffs of good quality, but with a one-piece hard plastic
>> fighting knife hilt hammered on over the tang. A professional, someone
>> who almost never blangs a knife, might possibly concoct something like
>> this for stage work. Somebody knowledgeable about various makers' knives
>> should have a look at these. We're supposed to think that the knives are
>> very sharp, even though we see Gabor throw a couple by the blade
>> (without changing his distance to the target!).
>>
>> Gabor's act seems to consist entirely of the human target turn. Granted
>> the movie has to focus on the relationship between Gabor and Adele (aka
>> The Little Piece of Candy, and she _is_ a wee cute thing), but I don't
>> find this convincing. No cutting stunts? No balloon bursting? No cross
>> knives?
>>
>> No rehearsals either, and that's REALLY unconvincing. He even knicks
>> Adele during every performance! If impalement acts were as dangerous as
>> this movie wants you to think, nobody would stage them.
>>
>> The movie itself? Oh, it's OK, a meat-and-potatoes romantic comedy. It
>> would be a disaster in Hollywood's hands, but the French have been
>> making these since the Melie brothers were in short pants, and it's a
>> pleasing entertainment for a week night; there's even a happy ending.
>>
>> Go here
>>
>> http://girlonthebridge.com/
>>
>> for some flack on the flick. Then sit back, relax, and wait for it on
>> video.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
> mjr@... mrapaport@... KD6KVH
> matthew rapaport     http://www.sonic.net/~quine/thrower.html
> The difference between theory and practice is that in theory
> there is no difference, while in practice, there is!
>
>
>
>
>
>