It is with deep regret that I must inform you that one of our dearest
friends and a Hall of Fame inductee Chief Thunder Cloud passed away on
the 15th of April 2007 from esophagus Cancer. Doug was one of the
legends of our sport. I will be endeavering to put in our IKTHOF web
site a bio written by Errett Callahan named 'The Passing Of A Legend".
We shall miss him at our banquets and he was one of the four legends of
our sport.I have pictures of the four of them that will become part of
our tribute. Che Che White Cloud, Bob " The Master of the Blade" Carp,
Dick Haines and never to be forgotten Doug "Chief Thunder Cloud"
Waldorf. A tribute to Doug will also be held at the Annual Hall of Fame
dinner on October 7th 2007. In addition a memorial plaque will be made
and placed in our Hall of Fame in his honor. Rest in peace Chief
Thunder Cloud we will miss you. Alamo

I had been pass and around the Alamo many times but until Che Che  White
Cloud and his wife Nancy and Little John and myself went there I really  was not
sure what to expect but it was a very strange and different feeling than  I
have had at any other battle site!
   It was eerie as well as very moving to be standing on such hallowed  ground
where people made a choice to stay and fight for what they believed in
rather than run away which they had the choice to do.
   It almost felt as if the ghosts of those brave souls were measuring  your
worthiness to be standing where they stood, I can't find another way to
describe it?
   Living right next to Valley Forge where there is a lot of history  and
having visited Gettysburg and Shiloh and a few other places where brave men  and
women lost their lives in the pursuit of freedom I have still never felt
something otherworldly touch me the way the Alamo did, I don't have an 
explanation
for it but that is what I felt!
    To be associated with such a historic endeavor is an honor few  people
will ever get the chance to know and to have great friends with you makes  it
all
the better!
                                                                         Joe
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been close to the alamo 100 times  and lived in new braunfels on the lori lane .
never could get to the alamo . would be a trip to throw there. with my income i
would'nt be able to go. good luck on the day. being originally from tenn. and
growing up in south arkansas not too far from washington and having hung out
there some. i always felt a kinship to those who died defending her.
unfortuneately theres always cannon fodder in every war. a fact not too many
people realize . tom

Michael J Bainton <alamomike303@...> wrote:  Dr. Winders

I would like to update you on our tentative throw at the Alamo
on October 6th 2007. My thoughts at this point are that we will have
invitations to 20 to 25 top throwers throughout the US and Europe who
will pay a registration fee of $100.00 to throw in this historic
event. I am also actively contacting sponsors to make the trophies
for the winners of this event as well as having a knife made for the
Alamo museum commemorating the event. With that in mind the IKTHOF
should be able to donate at least $2000.00 to the Alamo as well as
the commemorative knife. With your approval we will arrive at the
Alamo at 6:a.m. the morning of the 6th of October with the throwers
all dressed in period attire. Three throwing blocks will be placed in
the designated area. One of the bocks will be utilized for the
competition and the other two used in demonstrations for the public
on both knife and Tomahawk throwing. We will provide commentators
dressed in period attire for introducing each thrower as he competes
as well as interviews with throwers and people designated by you to
be interviewed ( tourists, Alamo staff etc. ).
At 9 a.m. five or six throwers will compete in the first heat
throwing a total of five games. This should take until 10:00 to 10:15
at that point demonstrations will take place on the two other
throwing blocks by experienced throwers talking about the history of
knife throwing as it pertains to the gallant men that fought and died
there for the courage of their convictions. This process will be
repeated at 11:00 a.m., 1:00 p.m. and 3:00 p.m. after the last
throwers have competed the five games all throwers will be lined up
introduced to the crowd by our commentators and the First. Second and
Third place winners will receive their trophies. All contestants will
receive a certificate of participation from the IKTHOF. In addition I
have the original pictures of the posters I brought to you at our
last meeting on disc, that if they so choose I will give to the gift
shop at the Alamo so that additional revenue can be obtained by
selling them to the tourists that visit the Alamo that day. Throwers
will be available to sign these posters during the day of the throw
should that be deemed a viable idea for the gift shop to participate
in.

Hi all

In the interest of keeping everybody informed I sent the previous
letter today after a meeting with Dr. winders curator of the Alamo.

Alamo






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Dr. Winders

      I would like to update you on our tentative throw at the Alamo
on October 6th 2007.  My thoughts at this point are that we will have
invitations to 20 to 25 top throwers throughout the US and Europe who
will pay a registration fee of $100.00 to throw in this historic
event. I am also actively contacting sponsors to make the trophies
for the winners of this event as well as having a knife made for the
Alamo museum commemorating the event. With that in mind the IKTHOF
should be able to donate at least $2000.00 to the Alamo as well as
the commemorative knife. With your approval we will arrive at the
Alamo at 6:a.m. the morning of the 6th of October with the throwers
all dressed in period attire. Three throwing blocks will be placed in
the designated area. One of the bocks will be utilized for the
competition and the other two used in demonstrations for the public
on both knife and Tomahawk throwing. We will provide commentators
dressed in period attire for introducing each thrower as he competes
as well as interviews with throwers and people designated by you to
be interviewed ( tourists, Alamo staff etc. ).
    At 9 a.m. five or six throwers will compete in the first heat
throwing a total of five games. This should take until 10:00 to 10:15
at that point demonstrations will take place on the two other
throwing blocks by experienced throwers talking about the history of
knife throwing as it pertains to the gallant men that fought and died
there for the courage of their convictions. This process will be
repeated at 11:00 a.m., 1:00 p.m. and 3:00 p.m. after the last
throwers have competed the five games all throwers will be lined up
introduced to the crowd by our commentators and the First. Second and
Third place winners will receive their trophies. All contestants will
receive a certificate of participation from the IKTHOF. In addition I
have the original pictures of the posters I brought to you at our
last meeting  on disc, that if they so choose I will give to the gift
shop at the Alamo so that additional revenue can be obtained by
selling them to the tourists that visit the Alamo that day.  Throwers
will be available to sign these posters during the day of the throw
should that be deemed a viable idea for the gift shop to participate
in.

  Hi all

   In the interest of keeping everybody informed I sent the previous
letter today after a meeting with Dr. winders curator of the Alamo.

Alamo

Thanks guys

    it is my honor to represent such a fine group of people. Alamo



--- In thrower@yahoogroups.com, "Kirk Bass" <kirkmel@...> wrote:
>
> Way to go Mike.  I can't think of a better person to represent us
to
> the folks at the Alamo.
>
>
> Geronimo
>
> --- In thrower@yahoogroups.com, "cinch303" <cinch303@> wrote:
> >
> > Dr. Michael J.  Bainton of Austin, Texas, owner and operator of
> South
> > Austin Karate for the past fifteen years, has once again captured
> the
> > World Championship in Knife throwing as well as the World
> > Championship in Tomahawk throwing.   Bainton set a new World
record
> > score in both events and the Guinness Book of World Records was
> there
> > to record and publish it.  He will also be placed in the Guinness
> > Book of World Records as the most prolific Knife and Tomahawk
> thrower
> > in history for a World Record of most first place wins, a total
of
> 38
> > from April of 2003 to April of 2007 in regional and world
> > championship knife and tomahawk certified events.   Bainton won
> World
> > Championships in knife and Tomahawk Throwing at the Wild West
Arts
> > Club Knife and Tomahawk Throwing World Championships in Las Vegas
> > Nevada in 2003 and 2004, and in 2005 at the Will Rogers WWAC
World
> > Knife Throwing Championships at Claremore Oklahoma.   In 2006 he
> lost
> > by one point to the 2006 World Knife Throwing  Champion, Bob Pyle
> of
> > Brownsboro , Texas at the Che Che White Cloud World Knife and
> > Tomahawk Throwing Championships in Claremore, Oklahoma .   The
2007
> > World Championships held at Claremore, Oklahoma on April 21 was
> > attended by contestants  from the Czech Republic, England,
Germany,
> > Australia, Canada, Sweden, as well as Knife throwers from all
over
> > the United States. Knife throwers from all over the globe have
> dubbed
> > Austin, Texas THE Knife Throwing Capitol of the World because of
> the
> > Annual Knife throwing extravaganza held in Austin, Texas in
October
> > each year.  www.bakido.com    www.ikthof.com
> >
>

Way to go Mike.  I can't think of a better person to represent us to
the folks at the Alamo.


Geronimo

--- In thrower@yahoogroups.com, "cinch303" <cinch303@...> wrote:
>
> Dr. Michael J.  Bainton of Austin, Texas, owner and operator of
South
> Austin Karate for the past fifteen years, has once again captured
the
> World Championship in Knife throwing as well as the World
> Championship in Tomahawk throwing.   Bainton set a new World record
> score in both events and the Guinness Book of World Records was
there
> to record and publish it.  He will also be placed in the Guinness
> Book of World Records as the most prolific Knife and Tomahawk
thrower
> in history for a World Record of most first place wins, a total of
38
> from April of 2003 to April of 2007 in regional and world
> championship knife and tomahawk certified events.   Bainton won
World
> Championships in knife and Tomahawk Throwing at the Wild West Arts
> Club Knife and Tomahawk Throwing World Championships in Las Vegas
> Nevada in 2003 and 2004, and in 2005 at the Will Rogers WWAC World
> Knife Throwing Championships at Claremore Oklahoma.   In 2006 he
lost
> by one point to the 2006 World Knife Throwing  Champion, Bob Pyle
of
> Brownsboro , Texas at the Che Che White Cloud World Knife and
> Tomahawk Throwing Championships in Claremore, Oklahoma .   The 2007
> World Championships held at Claremore, Oklahoma on April 21 was
> attended by contestants  from the Czech Republic, England, Germany,
> Australia, Canada, Sweden, as well as Knife throwers from all over
> the United States. Knife throwers from all over the globe have
dubbed
> Austin, Texas THE Knife Throwing Capitol of the World because of
the
> Annual Knife throwing extravaganza held in Austin, Texas in October
> each year.  www.bakido.com    www.ikthof.com
>

Great job Alamo - we're proud of you! Now you can retire and be a score
keeper!!!!!!!
HaHaHa - I'm NOT joking  :)

I'll call you this afternoon or early evening. I've got a few problems
on the park (this is normal chaos), must must get the wording into the
trophy guy today or tomorrow at latest, and I've got a new maintenance
guy starting this morning.

By the way the trophies will be really nice I think. 9 for knives, 3 for
hawks, and 3 for whips.

Sp eD


Michael J Bainton wrote:
>  Well I thought i better hold off until i get the stamp of approval
> from the new president of the daughters of the Texas republic as soon
> as she is sworn into office next month. By the way did you see your
> picture on the photo page under claremore 2007, let me know what you
> think. Alamo
>
> Ed
>   If you get a chance give me a call i have a couple of ideas i want
> to run by you. Alamo
>
>
>

crispy is DA MAN !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


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Well I thought i better hold off until i get the stamp of approval
from the new president of the daughters of the Texas republic as soon
as she is sworn into office next month. By the way did you see your
picture on the photo page under claremore 2007, let me know what you
think. Alamo

Ed
   If you get a chance give me a call i have a couple of ideas i want
to run by you. Alamo



--- In thrower@yahoogroups.com, brknfthr@... wrote:
>
> Good job Alamo, it's a shame they didn't mention the throw at The
Alamo!
>

>                               Joe
>
>
>
> ************************************** See what's free at
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>
>
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>

Good job Alamo, it's a shame they didn't mention the throw at The  Alamo!

                               Joe



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Dr. Michael J.  Bainton of Austin, Texas, owner and operator of South
Austin Karate for the past fifteen years, has once again captured the
World Championship in Knife throwing as well as the World
Championship in Tomahawk throwing.   Bainton set a new World record
score in both events and the Guinness Book of World Records was there
to record and publish it.  He will also be placed in the Guinness
Book of World Records as the most prolific Knife and Tomahawk thrower
in history for a World Record of most first place wins, a total of 38
from April of 2003 to April of 2007 in regional and world
championship knife and tomahawk certified events.   Bainton won World
Championships in knife and Tomahawk Throwing at the Wild West Arts
Club Knife and Tomahawk Throwing World Championships in Las Vegas
Nevada in 2003 and 2004, and in 2005 at the Will Rogers WWAC World
Knife Throwing Championships at Claremore Oklahoma.   In 2006 he lost
by one point to the 2006 World Knife Throwing  Champion, Bob Pyle of
Brownsboro , Texas at the Che Che White Cloud World Knife and
Tomahawk Throwing Championships in Claremore, Oklahoma .   The 2007
World Championships held at Claremore, Oklahoma on April 21 was
attended by contestants  from the Czech Republic, England, Germany,
Australia, Canada, Sweden, as well as Knife throwers from all over
the United States. Knife throwers from all over the globe have dubbed
Austin, Texas THE Knife Throwing Capitol of the World because of the
Annual Knife throwing extravaganza held in Austin, Texas in October
each year.  www.bakido.com    www.ikthof.com

The fastest way is to go to my web page, http://throwingknives.com/ZielKnife.htm
.

John

John Bailey
bahamajohn@...
www.throwingknives.com and www.LashandSteel.com
"How long you live has nothing to do with how long you're dead but, what you
believe has a lot to do with where your head" (J. Bailey)


----- Original Message -----
From: Richard Hatt
To: thrower@yahoogroups.com
Sent: 4/27/2007 12:41:52 PM
Subject: [thrower] Hmmm


where do I get one(or more) of these Ziel kinves? How much are they selling for?
They look very sexy and I bet good to the touch.

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----- Original Message -----
   From: Richard Hatt
   To: thrower@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: Friday, April 27, 2007 8:13 PM
   Subject: [thrower] Hmmm


   where do I get one(or more) of these Ziel kinves? How much are they selling
for? They look very sexy and I bet good to the touch.

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where do I get one(or more) of these Ziel kinves? How much are they selling for?
They look very sexy and I bet good to the touch.

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  Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos.

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Youre wellcome John, and for sure deserve it for this new and great product.
   The Mini Bo-Kri you gave me is still a Proud part of my small collection.
   Wish you my best wishes
   Dalmo

John Bailey <bahamajohn@...> escreveu:
   Thanks Dalmo for the compliment. And thank you Christian for the review. I set
out to make a competition throwing knife that would have some of the best
features of other guys designs and a few of my own of course. For the most part
I think I accomplished that in the Ziel knife. There are a few flaws that need
to be taken care of and we're expecting a couple of the prototypes to be
delivered in the next week or two.

I was happy to see at the Wild West Arts Club convention, probably 20 or 30
Ziel's flying around. And I didn't hear any complaints, other than the blades
were way too sharp, which I agree and hope to have remedied in the next batch.

Last year I won the QuickDraw knife throwing with my old custom Tru-Bal
Bowie-Axe that Harry Mc'Evoy made especially for me about 30 years ago. It has
always been my favorite QuickDraw knife, especially after I matched it up to a
custom alligator crossed-draw sheath just for that purpose. I've always been
pretty confident with it but this time I took a chance to see if I could
showcase the new Ziel knife.

While at the Shots Show in Orlando I met Mr. Scott Evans director of operations
of, Edge-Work Manufacturing; who specialize in making tactical holsters. After
some discussion and basic design compromises we came up with the tactical speed
rig that I used this year. I was really worried but I also had a lot of
confidence in the finished product.

You can contact Mr. Evans via his e-mail Scott@... or by
telephone at, 910-455-9834 and ask for the QuickDraw knife sheath system that
John Bailey used. You can go to their website and see the other products they
have at,
http://www.tacticalholsters.com/profile.htm

The sheath can be removed by a press of the button from one of three basic belt
attachments. The Paddle, style slips inside your belt (this is the one I like
best). There is also a version that laces on your belt like a regular holster,
or the Drop loop. The one thing I like most about the system is that you can
rotate the sheath in any direction you want. I set mine up in a cross draw
configuration which I think works best.

No doubt all this information is going to get me beat next year at the WWAC,
but... what the who... no one stays on the top of the pile forever.

If any of you have any questions, feel free to ask.

John


John Bailey
bahamajohn@...
www.throwingknives.com and www.LashandSteel.com
"How long you live has nothing to do with how long you're dead but, what you
believe has a lot to do with where your head" (J. Bailey)


----- Original Message -----
From: dalmo mariano da silva junior
To: thrower@yahoogroups.com
Sent: 4/26/2007 6:17:14 PM
Subject: Re: [thrower] "Ziel" throwing knife review online


Hi, Chris

This time looks like John really Exceeded himself, the knife looks marvellous,
Modern and functional at once. I'm sure it performs Very well.

If I had one I would (with pain in my hearth) Blunt its edge to throw it by the
blade, also, cause it looks a fine knife that could be thrown well from both
sides.

Congratulations, John, for the new "baby", and let me greet you, Chris, both for
the great report and for your Birthday!

Alles Gütt

Dalmo

thrower1980 escreveu:
Hi throwers,

it's a good while since John Bailey sent me one of the very first
"Ziel" throwing knives, his new design sold by Böker. Now the review
is online at:
http://www.knifethrowing.info/ziel_throwing_knife.html

Hope you enjoy it,

Christian Thiel

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Tom... You have nothing to fear as to the penetration value of the Ziel knife,
just ask Joe.  I watched him when he was throwing with Mike Crain and those 10
bullseyes he threw with the Ziel into the trees rounds went in about 2 inches.
John

John Bailey
bahamajohn@...
www.throwingknives.com and www.LashandSteel.com
"How long you live has nothing to do with how long you're dead but, what you
believe has a lot to do with where your head" (J. Bailey)


----- Original Message -----
From: tom
To: thrower@yahoogroups.com
Sent: 4/27/2007 9:14:47 AM
Subject: Re: [thrower] "Ziel" throwing knife review online


wish i was good at making sheaths that work it's an art for sure. harry was a
good ol guy as was pete lagana otter was someone you could ride th river with.
my old tru-balence bowie ax was stolen years ago. it was stolen along with a
viet hawk by pete , a bayonet converted to throwing use .that ziel throwing
knife's very unique it'll do what it says i'm positive it will. hows the
penetration at distance . will it penetrate good heavy cardboard. will have to
buy one one of these days when my knives move a bit better. i suppose my
question is would it be good for pig hunting if so there'd be a major market for
them i bet. tom

Thanks Dalmo for the compliment. And thank you Christian for the review. I set
out to make a competition throwing knife that would have some of the best
features of other guys designs and a few of my own of course. For the most part
I think I accomplished that in the Ziel knife. There are a few flaws that need
to be taken care of and we're expecting a couple of the prototypes to be
delivered in the next week or two.

I was happy to see at the Wild West Arts Club convention, probably 20 or 30
Ziel's flying around. And I didn't hear any complaints, other than the blades
were way too sharp, which I agree and hope to have remedied in the next batch.

Last year I won the QuickDraw knife throwing with my old custom Tru-Bal
Bowie-Axe that Harry Mc'Evoy made especially for me about 30 years ago. It has
always been my favorite QuickDraw knife, especially after I matched it up to a
custom alligator crossed-draw sheath just for that purpose. I've always been
pretty confident with it but this time I took a chance to see if I could
showcase the new Ziel knife.

While at the Shots Show in Orlando I met Mr. Scott Evans director of operations
of, Edge-Work Manufacturing; who specialize in making tactical holsters. After
some discussion and basic design compromises we came up with the tactical speed
rig that I used this year. I was really worried but I also had a lot of
confidence in the finished product.

You can contact Mr. Evans via his e-mail Scott@... or by
telephone at, 910-455-9834 and ask for the QuickDraw knife sheath system that
John Bailey used. You can go to their website and see the other products they
have at,
http://www.tacticalholsters.com/profile.htm

The sheath can be removed by a press of the button from one of three basic belt
attachments. The Paddle, style slips inside your belt (this is the one I like
best). There is also a version that laces on your belt like a regular holster,
or the Drop loop. The one thing I like most about the system is that you can
rotate the sheath in any direction you want. I set mine up in a cross draw
configuration which I think works best.

No doubt all this information is going to get me beat next year at the WWAC,
but... what the who... no one stays on the top of the pile forever.

If any of you have any questions, feel free to ask.

John

John Bailey
bahamajohn@...
www.throwingknives.com and www.LashandSteel.com
"How long you live has nothing to do with how long you're dead but, what you
believe has a lot to do with where your head" (J. Bailey)

----- Original Message -----
From: dalmo mariano da silva junior
To: thrower@yahoogroups.com
Sent: 4/26/2007 6:17:14 PM
Subject: Re: [thrower] "Ziel" throwing knife review online

Hi, Chris

This time looks like John really Exceeded himself, the knife looks marvellous,
Modern and functional at once. I'm sure it performs Very well.

If I had one I would (with pain in my hearth) Blunt its edge to throw it by the
blade, also, cause it looks a fine knife that could be thrown well from both
sides.

Congratulations, John, for the new "baby", and let me greet you, Chris, both for
the great report and for your Birthday!

Alles Gütt

Dalmo

thrower1980 escreveu:
Hi throwers,

it's a good while since John Bailey sent me one of the very first
"Ziel" throwing knives, his new design sold by Böker. Now the review
is online at:
http://www.knifethrowing.info/ziel_throwing_knife.html

Hope you enjoy it,

Christian Thiel

__________________________________________________
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wish i was good at making sheaths that work it's an art for sure. harry was a
good ol guy as was pete lagana otter was someone you could ride th river with.
my old tru-balence bowie ax was stolen years ago. it was stolen along with a
viet hawk by pete , a bayonet converted to throwing use .that ziel throwing
knife's very unique   it'll do what it says i'm positive it will. hows the
penetration at distance . will it penetrate good heavy cardboard. will have to
buy one one of these days when my knives move a bit better. i suppose my
question is would it be good for pig hunting if so there'd be a major market for
them i bet. tom

   Thanks Dalmo for the compliment. And thank you Christian for the review. I set
out to make a competition throwing knife that would have some of the best
features of other guys designs and a few of my own of course. For the most part
I think I accomplished that in the Ziel knife. There are a few flaws that need
to be taken care of and we're expecting a couple of the prototypes to be
delivered in the next week or two.

I was happy to see at the Wild West Arts Club convention, probably 20 or 30
Ziel's flying around. And I didn't hear any complaints, other than the blades
were way too sharp, which I agree and hope to have remedied in the next batch.

Last year I won the QuickDraw knife throwing with my old custom Tru-Bal
Bowie-Axe that Harry Mc'Evoy made especially for me about 30 years ago. It has
always been my favorite QuickDraw knife, especially after I matched it up to a
custom alligator crossed-draw sheath just for that purpose. I've always been
pretty confident with it but this time I took a chance to see if I could
showcase the new Ziel knife.

While at the Shots Show in Orlando I met Mr. Scott Evans director of operations
of, Edge-Work Manufacturing; who specialize in making tactical holsters. After
some discussion and basic design compromises we came up with the tactical speed
rig that I used this year. I was really worried but I also had a lot of
confidence in the finished product.

You can contact Mr. Evans via his e-mail Scott@... or by
telephone at, 910-455-9834 and ask for the QuickDraw knife sheath system that
John Bailey used. You can go to their website and see the other products they
have at,
http://www.tacticalholsters.com/profile.htm

The sheath can be removed by a press of the button from one of three basic belt
attachments. The Paddle, style slips inside your belt (this is the one I like
best). There is also a version that laces on your belt like a regular holster,
or the Drop loop. The one thing I like most about the system is that you can
rotate the sheath in any direction you want. I set mine up in a cross draw
configuration which I think works best.

No doubt all this information is going to get me beat next year at the WWAC,
but... what the who... no one stays on the top of the pile forever.

If any of you have any questions, feel free to ask.

John


John Bailey
bahamajohn@...
www.throwingknives.com and www.LashandSteel.com
"How long you live has nothing to do with how long you're dead but, what you
believe has a lot to do with where your head" (J. Bailey)


----- Original Message -----
From: dalmo mariano da silva junior
To: thrower@yahoogroups.com
Sent: 4/26/2007 6:17:14 PM
Subject: Re: [thrower] "Ziel" throwing knife review online


Hi, Chris

This time looks like John really Exceeded himself, the knife looks marvellous,
Modern and functional at once. I'm sure it performs Very well.

If I had one I would (with pain in my hearth) Blunt its edge to throw it by the
blade, also, cause it looks a fine knife that could be thrown well from both
sides.

Congratulations, John, for the new "baby", and let me greet you, Chris, both for
the great report and for your Birthday!

Alles Gütt

Dalmo

thrower1980 escreveu:
Hi throwers,

it's a good while since John Bailey sent me one of the very first
"Ziel" throwing knives, his new design sold by Böker. Now the review
is online at:
http://www.knifethrowing.info/ziel_throwing_knife.html

Hope you enjoy it,

Christian Thiel

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Thanks Dalmo for the compliment.  And thank you Christian for the review.  I set
out to make a competition throwing knife that would have some of the best
features of other guys designs and a few of my own of course. For the most part
I think I accomplished that in the Ziel knife.  There are a few flaws that need
to be taken care of and we're expecting a couple of the prototypes to be
delivered in the next week or two.

I was happy to see at the Wild West Arts Club convention,  probably 20 or 30
Ziel's flying around.  And I didn't hear any complaints, other than the blades
were way too sharp, which I agree and hope to have remedied in the next batch.

Last year I won the QuickDraw knife throwing with my old custom Tru-Bal
Bowie-Axe that Harry Mc'Evoy made especially for me about 30 years ago.  It has
always been my favorite QuickDraw knife, especially after I matched it up to a
custom alligator crossed-draw sheath just for that purpose.  I've always been
pretty confident with it but this time I took a chance to see if I could
showcase the new Ziel knife.

While at the Shots Show in Orlando I met Mr. Scott Evans director of operations
of, Edge-Work Manufacturing; who specialize in making tactical holsters.  After
some discussion and basic design compromises we came up with the tactical speed
rig that I used this year.  I was really worried but I also had a lot of
confidence in the finished product.

You can contact Mr. Evans via his e-mail Scott@...  or by
telephone at, 910-455-9834 and ask for the QuickDraw knife sheath system that
John Bailey used.  You can go to their website and see the other products they
have at,
http://www.tacticalholsters.com/profile.htm

The sheath can be removed by a press of the button from one of three basic belt
attachments.  The Paddle, style slips inside your belt (this is the one I like
best).  There is also a version that laces on your belt like a regular holster,
or the  Drop loop. The one thing I like most about the system is that you can
rotate the sheath in any direction you want.  I set mine up in a cross draw
configuration which I think works best.

No doubt all this information is going to get me beat next year at the WWAC,
but... what the who... no one stays on the top of the pile forever.

If any of you have any questions, feel free to ask.

John


John Bailey
bahamajohn@...
www.throwingknives.com and www.LashandSteel.com
"How long you live has nothing to do with how long you're dead but, what you
believe has a lot to do with where your head" (J. Bailey)


----- Original Message -----
From: dalmo mariano da silva junior
To: thrower@yahoogroups.com
Sent: 4/26/2007 6:17:14 PM
Subject: Re: [thrower] "Ziel" throwing knife review online


Hi, Chris

This time looks like John really Exceeded himself, the knife looks marvellous,
Modern and functional at once. I'm sure it performs Very well.

If I had one I would (with pain in my hearth) Blunt its edge to throw it by the
blade, also, cause it looks a fine knife that could be thrown well from both
sides.

Congratulations, John, for the new "baby", and let me greet you, Chris, both for
the great report and for your Birthday!

Alles Gütt

Dalmo

thrower1980 <yahoo_thrower_account@...> escreveu:
Hi throwers,

it's a good while since John Bailey sent me one of the very first
"Ziel" throwing knives, his new design sold by Böker. Now the review
is online at:
http://www.knifethrowing.info/ziel_throwing_knife.html

Hope you enjoy it,

Christian Thiel

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Hi Dalmo
  John had a set of his knives waiting for me as he promised but my  custom
Damascus throwers showed up from Idaho the second day I was there so I  threw
them and john needed the set back to sell as there seemed to be a lot of  demand
for them.
   John introduced me to a friend of his by the name of John Crain who  holds
the world record for breaking ice blocks (14 feet of them) and he also  does a
show with Blow Guns and Shuriken/Shaken (Depending on you  definition)
throwing stars so I went over and threw with Mr Crain a bit and  it was the firt
time I got the chance to throw John's new Ziel Thrower and I  threw 10 bulls
eye's in a row with them my first 10 throws so I can vouch for  the fact that
they
throw pretty nice.
   Then it cam down to John and I in the quick draw and John whooped me  fair
and square, he keeps saying he's going to quit but manages to keep winning
championships, I believe he also took first in the Speed & Accuracy event  with
the bull whips and also placed pretty well in the Gun Quick Draw if memory
serves.
   Anyway as you say Dalmo they are a bit sharp and square for my  tastes but
throw very well!



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Hi, Chris

   This time looks like John really Exceeded himself, the knife looks marvellous,
Modern and functional at once.  I'm sure it performs Very well.

   If I had one I would (with pain in my hearth) Blunt its edge to throw it by
the blade, also, cause it looks a fine knife that could be thrown well from both
sides.

   Congratulations, John, for the new "baby", and let me greet you, Chris, both
for the great report and for your Birthday!

   Alles Gütt

   Dalmo

thrower1980 <yahoo_thrower_account@...> escreveu:
           Hi throwers,

it's a good while since John Bailey sent me one of the very first
"Ziel" throwing knives, his new design sold by Böker. Now the review
is online at:
http://www.knifethrowing.info/ziel_throwing_knife.html

Hope you enjoy it,

Christian Thiel





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Hi throwers,

it's a good while since John Bailey sent me one of the very first
"Ziel" throwing knives, his new design sold by Böker. Now the review
is online at:
http://www.knifethrowing.info/ziel_throwing_knife.html

Hope you enjoy it,

Christian Thiel

Crispyyyyyyyyyy,

It was great meeting you finally! I hope you can make it to Austin, you
won't even believe the time you'll have there!! Think Claremore but
going on damned near 24/7 for 4-5 days with knives, hawks, whips, and
crazy guys inventing new stuff to scare each other into being better
throwers. It's beyond words...

Be well and keep practicing you've got the skills my friend,

Sp eD


crispy@... wrote:
> WOW, I had a hell of a time!  I'll probably be sore for the next week
> and then it's out to practicing all I learned over the weekend.  It was
> great meeting everyone, Joe, Todd, Ed, Alamo, Dave, Etc.  I'm hoping to
> make it to Austin  in October, I learned more in the three days watching
> and talking with everyone that I could have figured out in years of
> practice.
>
>
>

your right joes an ambassador if i ever saw one , tom

Michael J Bainton <alamomike303@...> wrote:  Without trying to blow too
much smoke you give more than knives Joe.
You contantly teach people, advise people on how to throw. All those
little hints on how to improve your game are invaluable even to the
people who have been throwing for awhile.I saw you teaching stance,
grip( yours and mine ) proper arm motion, distance and focus point
all things that are necissary to get your knife in the bullseye and
it's different for each distance.I know you were in a lot of pain at
Claremore but you did what was needed to help the new throwers. No I
didn't buy the knife you donated for the Alamo auction wish I had.

Hey Ed

Sorry we missed saying goodbye but i will be seeing you in six
weeks my friend whether i can throw or not.

Alamo







--- In thrower@yahoogroups.com, brknfthr@... wrote:
>
> I think you had better get something special for the 2 guest
announcers who
> will be there, I'm going to try to reproduce the Bowie I donated
to The Alamo
> Gala which brought them an additional 500.00 in revenue, it was
bought by
> someone in Austin but they told me it wasn't you Mike!
> A great job by all contestants and certainly a real blast, After
this year
> I am not going to make knives for the throw or try to get a bunch
done to
> sell at these throws as it put's too much pressure on me and I'm
making knives
> right up until I leave for the throw.
> I will continue to give plenty of knives away but they will be
random and
> mostly to the younger throwers and newcomers, I didn't do that
well but I
> didn't do too badly considering I hadn't really thrown in 5 months
and I was
> using a set of new knives that got overnighted to me in Claremore,
they are
> beautiful Bulls Eye Damascus models of my Gryphon knife but quite a
bit thicker
> and I'd only gotten 1 practice round before I threw, coupled with
some ongoing
> back problems I may limit my throwing in the future but I'll be
where I can
> to support as many throws as I can!
> Glad you all got home safe!
> Joe D.
>
>
>
> ************************************** See what's free at
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>
>
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Yes dave they work really good thank you for fixing them up and selling
them to me.I have never scored in the nineties before so i am very glad
i got them from you. I might even start to practice with them between
throws although i still have a hard time getting them out when i can
throw knives. I probably can manage thirty minutes a day becouse when
Ed breaks a hundred I want to be along for the ride. Alamo




--- In thrower@yahoogroups.com, "david jester" <d.f.jester@...> wrote:
>
> mike have some tee shirts to honor the Alamo throw . i guess the
hawks work  ! 1/2 spin
>
> in
> d.f.jester@... or d.f.jester@... or halfspinknives@...
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mike have some tee shirts to honor the Alamo throw . i guess the hawks work  !
1/2 spin

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ed did you down load the SD card in my camera ? you need to before you send it
back to me . sat night was the most fun i have had in 68 years , crispy ASSUME
CHRIS THE SAME .SOOOO MUCH FIRE YOU COULD BAKE A CHICKEN !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


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Without trying to blow too much smoke you give more than knives Joe.
You contantly teach people, advise people on how to throw. All those
little hints on how to improve your game are invaluable even to the
people who have been throwing for awhile.I saw you teaching stance,
grip( yours and mine )  proper arm motion, distance and focus point
all things that are necissary to get your knife in the bullseye and
it's different for each distance.I know you were in a lot of pain at
Claremore but you did what was needed to help the new throwers. No I
didn't buy the knife you donated for the Alamo auction wish I had.

Hey Ed

   Sorry we missed saying goodbye but i will be seeing you in six
weeks my friend whether i can throw or not.

Alamo







--- In thrower@yahoogroups.com, brknfthr@... wrote:
>
> I think you had better get something special for the 2 guest
announcers who
> will be there, I'm going to try to reproduce the Bowie I donated
to The Alamo
> Gala which brought them an additional 500.00 in revenue, it was
bought by
> someone in Austin but they told me it wasn't you Mike!
>   A great job by all contestants and certainly a real blast, After
this year
> I am not going to make knives for the throw or try to get a bunch
done  to
> sell at these throws as it put's too much pressure on me and I'm
making  knives
> right up until I leave for the throw.
>   I will continue to give plenty of knives away but they will be
random and
> mostly to the younger throwers and newcomers, I didn't do that
well  but I
> didn't do too badly considering I hadn't really thrown in 5 months
and I  was
> using a set of new knives that got overnighted to me in Claremore,
they are
> beautiful Bulls Eye Damascus models of my Gryphon knife but quite a
bit thicker
> and I'd only gotten 1 practice round before I threw, coupled with
some ongoing
> back problems I may limit my throwing in the future but I'll be
where I can
> to  support as many throws as I can!
>   Glad you all got home safe!
>                                         Joe  D.
>
>
>
> ************************************** See what's free at
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>
>
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I think you had better get something special for the 2 guest  announcers who
will be there, I'm going to try to reproduce the Bowie I donated  to The Alamo
Gala which brought them an additional 500.00 in revenue, it was  bought by
someone in Austin but they told me it wasn't you Mike!
   A great job by all contestants and certainly a real blast, After  this year
I am not going to make knives for the throw or try to get a bunch done  to
sell at these throws as it put's too much pressure on me and I'm making  knives
right up until I leave for the throw.
   I will continue to give plenty of knives away but they will be  random and
mostly to the younger throwers and newcomers, I didn't do that well  but I
didn't do too badly considering I hadn't really thrown in 5 months and I  was
using a set of new knives that got overnighted to me in Claremore, they are
beautiful Bulls Eye Damascus models of my Gryphon knife but quite a bit thicker
and I'd only gotten 1 practice round before I threw, coupled with some ongoing
back problems I may limit my throwing in the future but I'll be where I can
to  support as many throws as I can!
   Glad you all got home safe!
                                         Joe  D.



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