How do you leave a guy wiht 22 HR at the halfway mark off the All-Star team?



Tim





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His batting average is 264 as of Sunday night, 7-05.



If you did not have Ryan Zimmerman or Christian Guzman, he would be the

Nationals representative most likely.



He reminds me of Frank Howard, lots of HR's, ave. fielding, average batting

average.



but he might get in as I think I heard that someone selected might not go.



Mike

   ----- Original Message -----

   From: Tim Phares

   To: thewashingtonsenators@yahoogroups.com

   Sent: Sunday, July 05, 2009 7:47 PM

   Subject: [The Washington Senators] Dunn











   How do you leave a guy wiht 22 HR at the halfway mark off the All-Star team?



   Tim



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By the way, I was at today's great game with Olsen going almost a complete game.



We got tickets in March to most of all Sunday games this year, as we normally

do, so I support the team by going.



Tim, I understand what you are staying, but I am looking at the complete picture

of the situation with Dunn, the season, other players in the league.



Mike

   ----- Original Message -----

   From: Michael and Linda Marmer

   To: thewashingtonsenators@yahoogroups.com

   Sent: Sunday, July 05, 2009 10:36 PM

   Subject: Re: [The Washington Senators] Dunn











   His batting average is 264 as of Sunday night, 7-05.



   If you did not have Ryan Zimmerman or Christian Guzman, he would be the

Nationals representative most likely.



   He reminds me of Frank Howard, lots of HR's, ave. fielding, average batting

average.



   but he might get in as I think I heard that someone selected might not go.



   Mike

   ----- Original Message -----

   From: Tim Phares

   To: thewashingtonsenators@yahoogroups.com

   Sent: Sunday, July 05, 2009 7:47 PM

   Subject: [The Washington Senators] Dunn



   How do you leave a guy wiht 22 HR at the halfway mark off the All-Star team?



   Tim



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I like Dunn, but Frank Howard definitely hit for a significantly higher

average. Hondo was in .290s twice with the Nats and once with L.A. His

.274 in '68 -- the year of the pitcher -- ranked in the Top Ten (his

stats for that year in retrospect were astounding). I don't think Dunn

will ever hit over .275, but with all the walks, I'm not complaining.



-andy sharp



Michael and Linda Marmer wrote:

>

>

> By the way, I was at today's great game with Olsen going almost a

> complete game.

>

> We got tickets in March to most of all Sunday games this year, as we

> normally do, so I support the team by going.

>

> Tim, I understand what you are staying, but I am looking at the

> complete picture of the situation with Dunn, the season, other players

> in the league.

>

> Mike

> ----- Original Message -----

> From: Michael and Linda Marmer

> To: thewashingtonsenators@yahoogroups.com

> <mailto:thewashingtonsenators%40yahoogroups.com>

> Sent: Sunday, July 05, 2009 10:36 PM

> Subject: Re: [The Washington Senators] Dunn

>

> His batting average is 264 as of Sunday night, 7-05.

>

> If you did not have Ryan Zimmerman or Christian Guzman, he would be

> the Nationals representative most likely.

>

> He reminds me of Frank Howard, lots of HR's, ave. fielding, average

> batting average.

>

> but he might get in as I think I heard that someone selected might not go.

>

> Mike

> ----- Original Message -----

> From: Tim Phares

> To: thewashingtonsenators@yahoogroups.com

> <mailto:thewashingtonsenators%40yahoogroups.com>

> Sent: Sunday, July 05, 2009 7:47 PM

> Subject: [The Washington Senators] Dunn

>

> How do you leave a guy wiht 22 HR at the halfway mark off the All-Star

> team?

>

> Tim

>

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I've seen both guys play ... and Adam Dunn is NOWHERE CLOSE to the

ballplayer Frank Howard was.



Art



---- Original Message ----

From: andysharp@...

To: thewashingtonsenators@yahoogroups.com

Subject: Re: [The Washington Senators] Dunn

Date: Mon, 06 Jul 2009 00:32:02 -0400



>I like Dunn, but Frank Howard definitely hit for a significantly

>higher

>average. Hondo was in .290s twice with the Nats and once with L.A.

>His

>.274 in '68 -- the year of the pitcher -- ranked in the Top Ten (his

>stats for that year in retrospect were astounding). I don't think

>Dunn

>will ever hit over .275, but with all the walks, I'm not complaining.

>

>-andy sharp

>

>Michael and Linda Marmer wrote:

>>

>>

>> By the way, I was at today's great game with Olsen going almost a

>> complete game.

>>

>> We got tickets in March to most of all Sunday games this year, as

>we

>> normally do, so I support the team by going.

>>

>> Tim, I understand what you are staying, but I am looking at the

>> complete picture of the situation with Dunn, the season, other

>players

>> in the league.

>>

>> Mike

>> ----- Original Message -----

>> From: Michael and Linda Marmer

>> To: thewashingtonsenators@yahoogroups.com

>> <mailto:thewashingtonsenators%40yahoogroups.com>

>> Sent: Sunday, July 05, 2009 10:36 PM

>> Subject: Re: [The Washington Senators] Dunn

>>

>> His batting average is 264 as of Sunday night, 7-05.

>>

>> If you did not have Ryan Zimmerman or Christian Guzman, he would be

>

>> the Nationals representative most likely.

>>

>> He reminds me of Frank Howard, lots of HR's, ave. fielding, average

>

>> batting average.

>>

>> but he might get in as I think I heard that someone selected might

>not go.

>>

>> Mike

>> ----- Original Message -----

>> From: Tim Phares

>> To: thewashingtonsenators@yahoogroups.com

>> <mailto:thewashingtonsenators%40yahoogroups.com>

>> Sent: Sunday, July 05, 2009 7:47 PM

>> Subject: [The Washington Senators] Dunn

>>

>> How do you leave a guy wiht 22 HR at the halfway mark off the

>All-Star

>> team?

>>

>> Tim

>>

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>>

>

Art,



I looked up Howard's batting records and he is way better than Dunn, as having

Dunn on a team is not bad at all, but Howard deserved to be on the All Star

rosters he was on.



Howard did have several years of 290 plus batting.    I had no idea.



Maybe Dunn might still get into the line up.



Mike

   ----- Original Message -----

   From: art.wilson

   To: thewashingtonsenators@yahoogroups.com

   Sent: Monday, July 06, 2009 1:57 AM

   Subject: Re: [The Washington Senators] Dunn











   I've seen both guys play ... and Adam Dunn is NOWHERE CLOSE to the

   ballplayer Frank Howard was.



   Art



   ---- Original Message ----

   From: andysharp@...

   To: thewashingtonsenators@yahoogroups.com

   Subject: Re: [The Washington Senators] Dunn

   Date: Mon, 06 Jul 2009 00:32:02 -0400



   >I like Dunn, but Frank Howard definitely hit for a significantly

   >higher

   >average. Hondo was in .290s twice with the Nats and once with L.A.

   >His

   >.274 in '68 -- the year of the pitcher -- ranked in the Top Ten (his

   >stats for that year in retrospect were astounding). I don't think

   >Dunn

   >will ever hit over .275, but with all the walks, I'm not complaining.

   >

   >-andy sharp

   >

   >Michael and Linda Marmer wrote:

   >>

   >>

   >> By the way, I was at today's great game with Olsen going almost a

   >> complete game.

   >>

   >> We got tickets in March to most of all Sunday games this year, as

   >we

   >> normally do, so I support the team by going.

   >>

   >> Tim, I understand what you are staying, but I am looking at the

   >> complete picture of the situation with Dunn, the season, other

   >players

   >> in the league.

   >>

   >> Mike

   >> ----- Original Message -----

   >> From: Michael and Linda Marmer

   >> To: thewashingtonsenators@yahoogroups.com

   >> <mailto:thewashingtonsenators%40yahoogroups.com>

   >> Sent: Sunday, July 05, 2009 10:36 PM

   >> Subject: Re: [The Washington Senators] Dunn

   >>

   >> His batting average is 264 as of Sunday night, 7-05.

   >>

   >> If you did not have Ryan Zimmerman or Christian Guzman, he would be

   >

   >> the Nationals representative most likely.

   >>

   >> He reminds me of Frank Howard, lots of HR's, ave. fielding, average

   >

   >> batting average.

   >>

   >> but he might get in as I think I heard that someone selected might

   >not go.

   >>

   >> Mike

   >> ----- Original Message -----

   >> From: Tim Phares

   >> To: thewashingtonsenators@yahoogroups.com

   >> <mailto:thewashingtonsenators%40yahoogroups.com>

   >> Sent: Sunday, July 05, 2009 7:47 PM

   >> Subject: [The Washington Senators] Dunn

   >>

   >> How do you leave a guy wiht 22 HR at the halfway mark off the

   >All-Star

   >> team?

   >>

   >> Tim

   >>

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Mike,

Yeah, I am not saying Dunn is a bad player, just not as good as Hondo

was. Plus, another thing people don't realize -- many of Howard's

years were played when there were far less teams and the pitching was

less diluted than it is today. Nowadays, a lot of these hitters are

facing pitchers that would not have even been in the league back in

the '60s when Hondo played.



Art



---- Original Message ----

From: mlmarmer@...

To: thewashingtonsenators@yahoogroups.com

Subject: Re: [The Washington Senators] Dunn

Date: Mon, 6 Jul 2009 19:31:41 -0400



>Art,

>

>I looked up Howard's batting records and he is way better than Dunn,

>as having Dunn on a team is not bad at all, but Howard deserved to be

>on the All Star rosters he was on.

>

>Howard did have several years of 290 plus batting.    I had no idea.

>

>Maybe Dunn might still get into the line up.

>

>Mike

>  ----- Original Message -----

>  From: art.wilson

>  To: thewashingtonsenators@yahoogroups.com

>  Sent: Monday, July 06, 2009 1:57 AM

>  Subject: Re: [The Washington Senators] Dunn

>

>

>

>

>

>  I've seen both guys play ... and Adam Dunn is NOWHERE CLOSE to the

>  ballplayer Frank Howard was.

>

>  Art

>

>  ---- Original Message ----

>  From: andysharp@...

>  To: thewashingtonsenators@yahoogroups.com

>  Subject: Re: [The Washington Senators] Dunn

>  Date: Mon, 06 Jul 2009 00:32:02 -0400

>

>  >I like Dunn, but Frank Howard definitely hit for a significantly

>  >higher

>  >average. Hondo was in .290s twice with the Nats and once with L.A.

>  >His

>  >.274 in '68 -- the year of the pitcher -- ranked in the Top Ten

>(his

>  >stats for that year in retrospect were astounding). I don't think

>  >Dunn

>  >will ever hit over .275, but with all the walks, I'm not

>complaining.

>  >

>  >-andy sharp

>  >

>  >Michael and Linda Marmer wrote:

>  >>

>  >>

>  >> By the way, I was at today's great game with Olsen going almost

>a

>  >> complete game.

>  >>

>  >> We got tickets in March to most of all Sunday games this year,

>as

>  >we

>  >> normally do, so I support the team by going.

>  >>

>  >> Tim, I understand what you are staying, but I am looking at the

>  >> complete picture of the situation with Dunn, the season, other

>  >players

>  >> in the league.

>  >>

>  >> Mike

>  >> ----- Original Message -----

>  >> From: Michael and Linda Marmer

>  >> To: thewashingtonsenators@yahoogroups.com

>  >> <mailto:thewashingtonsenators%40yahoogroups.com>

>  >> Sent: Sunday, July 05, 2009 10:36 PM

>  >> Subject: Re: [The Washington Senators] Dunn

>  >>

>  >> His batting average is 264 as of Sunday night, 7-05.

>  >>

>  >> If you did not have Ryan Zimmerman or Christian Guzman, he would

>be

>  >

>  >> the Nationals representative most likely.

>  >>

>  >> He reminds me of Frank Howard, lots of HR's, ave. fielding,

>average

>  >

>  >> batting average.

>  >>

>  >> but he might get in as I think I heard that someone selected

>might

>  >not go.

>  >>

>  >> Mike

>  >> ----- Original Message -----

>  >> From: Tim Phares

>  >> To: thewashingtonsenators@yahoogroups.com

>  >> <mailto:thewashingtonsenators%40yahoogroups.com>

>  >> Sent: Sunday, July 05, 2009 7:47 PM

>  >> Subject: [The Washington Senators] Dunn

>  >>

>  >> How do you leave a guy wiht 22 HR at the halfway mark off the

>  >All-Star

>  >> team?

>  >>

>  >> Tim

>  >>

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>  >>

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Dunn has more HR and a higher OPS than Ryan Howard.  He belongs on the

All-Star team at least as much as Howard does.



Tim





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Tim,



You made a great point as Ryan Howard is batting 254.



I now agree the Dunn deserves to be in the game over Ryan Howard.



Mike



----- Original Message -----

   From: Tim Phares

   To: No Reply

   Cc: thewashingtonsenators@yahoogroups.com

   Sent: Wednesday, July 08, 2009 9:23 AM

   Subject: [The Washington Senators] Re: Dunn











   Dunn has more HR and a higher OPS than Ryan Howard. He belongs on the

   All-Star team at least as much as Howard does.



   Tim



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I hope that we can persuade them to give him Beltran's spot.  Beltran is

injured and won't be able to play.



I'd even sacrifice Guzman winning the online vote if it meant Dunn was

getting that spot.



Tim



On 7/8/09, Michael and Linda Marmer"

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wrote:

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>

> Tim,

>

> You made a great point as Ryan Howard is batting 254.

>

> I now agree the Dunn deserves to be in the game over Ryan Howard.

>

> Mike

>





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