Marty.. good job on hitting a new monthly high on your milage.

this is fun

Howie the how

http://news.yahoo.com/s/csm/20060130/wl_csm/omarathon_1

>
> Just thought I'd post that the reason my mileage was down last week
> was because the hamstring issue that I dealt with late last summer
and
> fall (pulled it in August, went to PT Sept to Nov.)began to re-
emerge.
  .
>
> Doc how are you??
  " 14! Congrats on the mileage!
>
> vicki burnin'bush

BURNIN':

Thanks for asking.  Not good.  More when life is better again.  Old
age ain't no fun.

Dynamo doc 57 Kalamazoo, Michigan

But keep on running.
>

No mile splits final time was 19:22, 2nd
> > Kurt
>
KURT

Oh boy.  I can feel the whuppin' already!

Keep on running.

Dynamo doc 57 Kalamazoo, Michigan

--- In theroadsscholar@yahoogroups.com, "Bruce Larson"
<bruce_cd_larson@y...> wrote:
>
> mmmmm. . .texas 2-step? Try a polka?
  THE HOW:

Thanks.  I will try them.

> > Keep on running.
> >
> > Dynamo Doc 57 Kalamazoo, Michigan

Dang, Geronimo, that is great times with everything you did.
Awesome job there!

Kurt

--- In theroadsscholar@yahoogroups.com, "Jerry Nairn" <jpnairn@g...>
wrote:
>
> If I was a smart runner, I would pick a race, train for it, and do
my
> best on race day.
> But I want to run a marathon on Feb. 19 and try again to qualify
for
> Boston. And I wanted to run the first race in the local Grand Prix
> Series this past weekend, the 5K at the Runners Den Classic Road
> Races.
> So on Saturday I met at South Mountain with a bunch of friends
from
> the East Valley Runners. Many of them are planning to do the Lost
> Dutchman Marathon the same day I am planning to run the Desert
> Classic Marathon.
> Most people did Double Dobbins: run 5 miles up the mountain to
> Dobbins Overlook, come back down, go back up again. It makes for a
> very tough 20-miler.
> Since I wanted to run the 5K on Sunday, I only did once up and
down,
> a tough ten-miler.
> So I didn't get the best workout I could for my marathon, and I
> effectively ruined my chances of doing my best in the races on
Sunday.
> To at least get my weekend mileage up, I did the 10K also.
> My times weren't that bad considering.
> But I really have to start doing my best, instead of just my best
in
> the less than ideal circumstances I put myself in.
> I ran a 21:01 5K, and a 44:20 10K. Flat, fast, paved courses, nice
> weather.
>
> Geronimo
>

Just thought I'd post that the reason my mileage was down last week
was because the hamstring issue that I dealt with late last summer and
fall (pulled it in August, went to PT Sept to Nov.)began to re-emerge.
Not as a bad pull in which I would not attempt to run, but a lot of
achiness. I reduced last weeks runs but wan't getting much better and
cancelled yesterday's longer run after a bad Saturday. I did 7 today
and hope with continued ice, working out knots, etc i will continue to
improve.

Doc how are you??

LLL- how about you? Are you running? And are you still reading? How's
Tom?

Gina- I am back on page 2! I was doing my best to keep up with you and
until a week ago though 150 would be no problem, but I'm not going to
make it. Glad to see you did "our" 14! Congrats on the mileage!

vicki burnin'bush

If I was a smart runner, I would pick a race, train for it, and do my
best on race day.
But I want to run a marathon on Feb. 19 and try again to qualify for
Boston. And I wanted to run the first race in the local Grand Prix
Series this past weekend, the 5K at the Runners Den Classic Road
Races.
So on Saturday I met at South Mountain with a bunch of friends from
the East Valley Runners. Many of them are planning to do the Lost
Dutchman Marathon the same day I am planning to run the Desert
Classic Marathon.
Most people did Double Dobbins: run 5 miles up the mountain to
Dobbins Overlook, come back down, go back up again. It makes for a
very tough 20-miler.
Since I wanted to run the 5K on Sunday, I only did once up and down,
a tough ten-miler.
So I didn't get the best workout I could for my marathon, and I
effectively ruined my chances of doing my best in the races on Sunday.
To at least get my weekend mileage up, I did the 10K also.
My times weren't that bad considering.
But I really have to start doing my best, instead of just my best in
the less than ideal circumstances I put myself in.
I ran a 21:01 5K, and a 44:20 10K. Flat, fast, paved courses, nice
weather.

Geronimo

Willie,

Its a hybrid of Jeff Galloway and Jeff Foxworthy. :-)

Actually, I am running more than every other day again. Finally!

I only got 4 in this past week because of a scheduling change;
normally I do get 5. I am trying to focus on EVERYTHING but time,
right now (form/carriage, turnover, strength).

I am a little gun shy to add speed work (too many tweaks this past
year); I do one mid-week middle distance tempo run and one long run
per week along with two or three 5-6 milers. Although I may cut the
long run back to every 10 days when I get around 20. I will have ten
runs at 16+, and three or four 20+ milers before April.

Max mileage so far has been 37-38, the past 2 weeks. For the previous
5-6 weeks, I hovered around 30-35 (with one small exception). I have
been pretty conserviative in adding mileage, usually only 2-3 miles
per week; one on the medium run and one on the long run per week.

I will MAX out in about 5-6 weeks at 50 miles(a new HIGH for me, never
been over 50 before). I hope to hold it there for a couple weeks
before I start tapering. I am planning on a full 3 week taper, it
worked well for me last time. We will see, I feel a lot stonger this
time around, so it may be closer to 2-2.5 weeks.

Boston Goal right now, barring injury: 1) Have fun, 2) beat 200
minutes pie in the sky goal, 3) 210 worse case to earn a trip back.

Thanks for asking Willie..........Always good to hear from you.

Marty


> Lookin' good Marty: Is this an adapted Higdon/McFoolish plan that
> you are following?
> I know you prefer the "running every second day approach" with cross-
> training in between...
> And what is the max weekly mileage?
> Willie (living vicariously through those who can) Maykit
>

Lookin' good Marty: Is this an adapted Higdon/McFoolish plan that
you are following?
I know you prefer the "running every second day approach" with cross-
training in between...
And what is the max weekly mileage?
Willie (living vicariously through those who can) Maykit


--- In theroadsscholar@yahoogroups.com, "Marty KC" <mkcfool@y...>
wrote:
>
> I haven't posted much about my Boston training here. Many of you
have
> seen a version of this on the other sites; you can skip it, nothing
> new here if youv'e read it before.
>
> Mon: Strength train AM, Yoga Noon, stretch PM. Legs were still
tight,
> even after yoga.
>
> Tues: Strength train AM, 9 mile tempo PM, 7:40 pace, wind aided. I
had
> my wife take me out and drop me 9 miles from home. What I call the
> "stranded" run in. The wind was horrific (snow blown 30 miles per
> hour) and I just didn't want to fight it for a 4.5 mile out before
> turning around. I still had to fight it sideways for about half the
> run, but the times it was at my back I was flying. I did not have a
> watch, but I checked the car clock when she dropped me off and then
> when I got back. 69 minutes.
>
> Wed: Yoga Noon, 6+ mile recovery run PM. 52 minutes.(shorts, for
the
> third time this month!)
>
> Thurs: Knowing that my schedule might change this week because of
> weather, I took the day off. From everything. A rarity for me.
>
> Fri: 17 miles, Noon. Took a half day from work to get this one in.
50
> F and sunny breezy. It was beautiful. First 10.5 was pretty fast
too,
> for an LSD, around 7:52/mile, then slowed to 8:30's.
>
> Sat: Double session strength training, PM. really busted it today,
> after having three days off strength training. Really crappy
weather;
> mid to high 30's and steady rain, all day.
>
> Sun: 6 miler. Waited for the (ick) weather to clear. Tight shin
for 2
> miles, loosened up. Easy pace, no watch. Weather suprised me; 50
and
> light rain.
>
> Weekly miles: 38, second week in a row over 37, a new high for me.
> This week marks the half way point of a 20 week schedule, I am
pretty
> happy where I am at so far.
>
> Marty
>

Leslie: GO GET 'EM GIRL!!
The weather was great last year...it's the hour-long wait to which I
was referring when you (& Kurt) might get a little hypothermic if
you don't have something warm to put on.
At least YOU can cuddle with Dave.
You can always thaw out if necessary at the Y (up the street)

Willie (trying to leave no stone unturned) Maykit

>
> Weather has been PERFECT for the races within the past few weeks.
Yesterday
> was about 49-50 at race start time for the half, saturday temp was
about
> 55... PERFECT clear skies, etc.  Let's hope this is the weather
for the race
> day. It is perfect "leslie" weather.... where 90% of my PR's have
been
> met...
>
> leslie
>
>
> On 1/30/06, K LaFor <klafor@y...> wrote:
> >
> > Willie, I will be there with Leslie and Dave plus another couple
I
> > know will be there also (Bill and Annie).  Leslie & Dave are
being
> > kind and hosting me.  As far as support during the race crowds
and
> > or others have never met much to me during the race, I really
become
> > oblivous to the them and as Coach Mad Dog says, I am not sight
> > seeing while running.  Afterwards I will call the family and
friends
> > and start the whinning how I should have done better etc!
> >
> > I been doing a lot of 2x a day for the past 3 months to prep for
the
> > 2 races but it will still be a challenge to run 2 races about a
hr
> > apart.  This is my last hard week with Saturday and Sunday both
> > being long days and then I start the taper down.  No more races
are
> > scheduled at this point in prep for the sub 3 hr at Gasparilla.
> >
> > I hope the weather stays reasonably mild for the races.
> >
> > Kurt
> >
> > --- In theroadsscholar@yahoogroups.com, "Bill Cook"
<cookw99@y...>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Kurt: You are definitely ready "speed wise!". Your 20:30 Gasp
goal
> > > should feel like a walk in the park and the 15km a few weeks
ago
> > shows
> > > that you are peaking at the right time. The 2 Saturday races at
> > Tampa
> > > will take a toll, but we/you can't really prepare for that
other
> > than
> > > consistent training.
> > > Do you have anyone going with you for support purposes?
> > > No more racing (I hope) till the 25th....you want to be hungry!
> > > Willie
> >
> >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>

I haven't posted much about my Boston training here. Many of you have
seen a version of this on the other sites; you can skip it, nothing
new here if youv'e read it before.

Mon: Strength train AM, Yoga Noon, stretch PM. Legs were still tight,
even after yoga.

Tues: Strength train AM, 9 mile tempo PM, 7:40 pace, wind aided. I had
my wife take me out and drop me 9 miles from home. What I call the
"stranded" run in. The wind was horrific (snow blown 30 miles per
hour) and I just didn't want to fight it for a 4.5 mile out before
turning around. I still had to fight it sideways for about half the
run, but the times it was at my back I was flying. I did not have a
watch, but I checked the car clock when she dropped me off and then
when I got back. 69 minutes.

Wed: Yoga Noon, 6+ mile recovery run PM. 52 minutes.(shorts, for the
third time this month!)

Thurs: Knowing that my schedule might change this week because of
weather, I took the day off. From everything. A rarity for me.

Fri: 17 miles, Noon. Took a half day from work to get this one in. 50
F and sunny breezy. It was beautiful. First 10.5 was pretty fast too,
for an LSD, around 7:52/mile, then slowed to 8:30's.

Sat: Double session strength training, PM. really busted it today,
after having three days off strength training. Really crappy weather;
mid to high 30's and steady rain, all day.

Sun: 6 miler. Waited for the (ick) weather to clear. Tight shin for 2
miles, loosened up. Easy pace, no watch. Weather suprised me; 50 and
light rain.

Weekly miles: 38, second week in a row over 37, a new high for me.
This week marks the half way point of a 20 week schedule, I am pretty
happy where I am at so far.

Marty

Leslie, please send it to Lynn after you are done.

Thanks
Kurt

--- In theroadsscholar@yahoogroups.com, Lynn johnson
<Lynnrunzz@y...> wrote:
>
> I would love to read it, can you send it to me?
>
>   Lynn
>
>
> K LaFor <klafor@y...> wrote:
>   Thanks to another, I read the book on Darcy Wakefield, the woman
who
> had ALS and had to stop running.  It is a wonderful book and makes
one
> appreciate their ability to run much less just live a "normal"
life.
> She lived in the Portland Maine area and recently passed away.
She
> was a regular on the Maine NPR show as they did monthly visits
with
> her.
>
> If you haven't read it I would encourage you to do so.  I would be
> happy to lend it to anyone if they want.
>
> Kurt
>
>
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Thanks to another, I read the book on Darcy Wakefield, the woman who
had ALS and had to stop running.  It is a wonderful book and makes one
appreciate their ability to run much less just live a "normal" life. 
She lived in the Portland Maine area and recently passed away.  She
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happy to lend it to anyone if they want.

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Just thought I'd post that the reason my mileage was down last week
was because the hamstring issue that I dealt with late last summer and
fall (pulled it in August, went to PT Sept to Nov.)began to re-emerge.
Not as a bad pull in which I would not attempt to run, but a lot of
achiness. I reduced last weeks runs but wan't getting much better and
cancelled yesterday's longer run after a bad Saturday. I did 7 today
and hope with continued ice, working out knots, etc i will continue to
improve.

Doc how are you??

LLL- how about you? Are you running? And are you still reading? How's
Tom?

Gina- I am back on page 2! I was doing my best to keep up with you and
until a week ago though 150 would be no problem, but I'm not going to
make it. Glad to see you did "our" 14! Congrats on the mileage!

vicki burnin'bush

Leslie, email me your address again.  I will mail it to you and pick
it up when I am down there.  It is a quick and easy read as Tika
said.

Kurt

--- In theroadsscholar@yahoogroups.com, Leslie Ryan
<leslieruns131@g...> wrote:
>
> i would love to read it; let me know the title, or just send it
on.  i'll
> back channel my address if you don't have it anymore....
>
> leslie
>
>
> On 1/30/06, K LaFor <klafor@y...> wrote:
> >
> > Thanks to another, I read the book on Darcy Wakefield, the woman
who
> > had ALS and had to stop running.  It is a wonderful book and
makes one
> > appreciate their ability to run much less just live a "normal"
life.
> > She lived in the Portland Maine area and recently passed away.
She
> > was a regular on the Maine NPR show as they did monthly visits
with
> > her.
> >
> > If you haven't read it I would encourage you to do so.  I would
be
> > happy to lend it to anyone if they want.
> >
> > Kurt
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>

Lynn

K LaFor <klafor@...> wrote:

Coach, will body glide help a spot on the side of my foot that tends to
blister when I race  on the longer races?  Almost after every half
marathon I get a blister on the left foot on the side right behind the
big toe.


Kurt

--- In theroadsscholar@yahoogroups.com, "Jim Duguay" <ManiacMutt@M...>
wrote:
>
> --- In theroadsscholar@yahoogroups.com, "Bruce Larson"
> <bruce_cd_larson@y...> wrote:
> >
> > Embarrassing Question but here goes. What is the best protection
for
> > Nipple chaffing?
>
> Howie ~ I suggest you try Bodyglide; available at any good running
> store. Sweat won't remove it and a BandAid shouldn't be needed.
>
> PS: It also works well for keeping sweat out of your eyes, hot spots
> in your shoes, and all other chaffing areas as well.
> };9|
>

Kurt, et al...
I got the book on Darcy Wakefield for Christmas this year and read it in
no time.  What a read!  She hailed from my old stomping grounds in Western
Maine and I went to school with some Wakefields as well.  Hit close to
home.  I second the encouragement to read it...'I Remember Running...'
~Tika


>
>
>
>
> Thanks to another, I read the book on Darcy Wakefield, the woman who
> had ALS and had to stop running.  It is a wonderful book and makes one
> appreciate their ability to run much less just live a "normal"
> life.
> She lived in the Portland Maine area and recently passed away.  She
> was a regular on the Maine NPR show as they did monthly visits with
> her.
>
> If you haven't read it I would encourage you to do so.  I would be
> happy to lend it to anyone if they want.
>
> Kurt
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

Thanks to another, I read the book on Darcy Wakefield, the woman who
had ALS and had to stop running.  It is a wonderful book and makes one
appreciate their ability to run much less just live a "normal" life.
She lived in the Portland Maine area and recently passed away.  She
was a regular on the Maine NPR show as they did monthly visits with
her.

If you haven't read it I would encourage you to do so.  I would be
happy to lend it to anyone if they want.

Kurt

Its fun to see look this stuff over. . .

I remember the old days when Runners World would publish ALL the
names of people who finished under 3 hours.

Howie the how

--- In theroadsscholar@yahoogroups.com, Leslie Ryan
<leslieruns131@g...> wrote:
>
> thanks for the link.. interesting stuff...  BTW: how are you
doing??
>
> leslie
>
>
> On 1/30/06, Nikki <jakar@p...> wrote:
> >
> > The numbers are up but we're finishing slower these days.
> > Nevada Nikki
> >
> >
http://www.marathonguide.com/features/Articles/2005RecapOverview.cfm
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>

Thanks guys.. I now know more than I ever wanted to know about
chaffing protection (even places I never thought about) I will
probaly exparement using one "item" on one nip and somethign else on
the outher on the same run ore the course of the next few weeks and
see what works best on my poor delicate tender body. :)

"This is fun"

Howie the how

--- In theroadsscholar@yahoogroups.com, "Jerry Nairn" <jpnairn@g...>
wrote:
>
> I go with BodyGlide. Vaseline doesn't last long enough to be any
good.
> Band Aids tend to peel off.
> I have not tried Nip Guards, but only because BodyGlide has always
> done the job.
>
> --- In theroadsscholar@yahoogroups.com, "alan"
<alan_laminator@y...>
> wrote:
> > Another thing I personally use is medical tape.  You can buy
> > those at any drug store.  Half inch wide, white tape, but make
sure
> > they are cloth base (ie water proof).
>
> I use medical tape as insurance to help hold in the infusion set
of my
> insulin pump during marathons, so I know it holds.
> But I must be a little hairier than you, Alan, because just
thinking
> of taking that tape off there makes me wince.
>
> Ouch!
>
> Geronimo
>

Good job and congrats Giddy. Funny ohow a milage increease can help
speed things up. :)

"This is fun"

Howie the how

--- In theroadsscholar@yahoogroups.com, "Giddy" <giddy@d...> wrote:
>
> Really really really great race!!!  I think I got the best night's
sleep before a race...EVER!!  We fell asleep at 9:30pm and woke up
at 7am.  I felt so rested..it was great!!  Got all the gear together
(Nice Warm Day!!!) and took the 15 minute bus ride into NYC.  Headed
up to Central Park and did the pre-race routine.  Potty, Stretch,
Warm Up..etc.  The weather was so perfect!!  47 at the start.  I had
shorts and a light weight long sleeve shirt.  Perfect.  Met up with
a few friends and wished each other luck and then we are off!  The
half marathon was just a little over 2 loops of the whole park.
Running in Central Park can get very repetitive after a while...it's
always the same.  Every NYRR race is the same almost :)  That's why
I love having a car and racing in New Jersey!  This race felt a
little different though.  Not sure why?  The race did run out of
gatorade by the time I hit the 8th mile.  Glad I had my Chocolate
powergel.  It was very tasty at the 8th mile.  Yummy!!  I love
chocolate powergel during a run!  :)  My pace was very consistant.
Held a 10:45 pace pretty much throughout the whole thing.  I little
faster here...a little slower here.  But overall very consistant.  I
think my milage boost this week helped with the speed!
>
>       01/28/2006 Road Race NYRR Half Marathon Central Park, NY
>       Total Time: 02:21:00
>       Overall Place: 3075/3487
>       Category: 1056/1293   Run   02:21:00   13.1 mi Pace:
10:45/mi
>
>
> Giddy
> 178.4/141/128
>

Willie, I will be there with Leslie and Dave plus another couple I
know will be there also (Bill and Annie).  Leslie & Dave are being
kind and hosting me.  As far as support during the race crowds and
or others have never met much to me during the race, I really become
oblivous to the them and as Coach Mad Dog says, I am not sight
seeing while running.  Afterwards I will call the family and friends
and start the whinning how I should have done better etc!

I been doing a lot of 2x a day for the past 3 months to prep for the
2 races but it will still be a challenge to run 2 races about a hr
apart.  This is my last hard week with Saturday and Sunday both
being long days and then I start the taper down.  No more races are
scheduled at this point in prep for the sub 3 hr at Gasparilla.

I hope the weather stays reasonably mild for the races.

Kurt

--- In theroadsscholar@yahoogroups.com, "Bill Cook" <cookw99@y...>
wrote:
>
> Kurt: You are definitely ready "speed wise!". Your 20:30 Gasp goal
> should feel like a walk in the park and the 15km a few weeks ago
shows
> that you are peaking at the right time. The 2 Saturday races at
Tampa
> will take a toll, but we/you can't really prepare for that other
than
> consistent training.
> Do you have anyone going with you for support purposes?
> No more racing (I hope) till the 25th....you want to be hungry!
> Willie


>