I agree, Daniel.  Let's not play the judging game.  Let's play some ball
games and see where the Yankees are, come May 31.  It ain't time to call
the season a loss, gentlemen.  Chill out.
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The first MLB game I ever saw in person was St. Louis vs. the Cubs in Busch
Stadium in 1968.  My dad bought me a scorecard and showed me how to fill in the
squares.  Maris, Lou Brock, and Curt Flood were the starting OF for the Cards. 
Bob Gibson was on the mound and his opponent was Fergie Jenkins.  Tim McCarver,
Mike Shannon, Dal Maxville, Julian Javier, and Orlando Cepeda filled out the
Cards IF.  That was a really good team but that '68 World Series was a
heartbreaker.


--- In thenewyorkyankeesfanclub@yahoogroups.com, lauren scrafford
<milwaukeeroadidaho@...> wrote:
>
> Well it helps to be on the old side and having lived through a lot of
baseball... It also helps that my father wrote for the AP and played semi pro
ball and knew a lot of people, that helps gets you through the doors.
> I saw a lot of games growing up. More American League but quite a few PCL
games. The old PCL when it was an open league.  I used to memorize facts in my
head and win trivia contests. I had one teacher who used to call me out of class
so he could get questions to stump other teachers. I don't follow baseball as
avidly as I once did and my memory isn't as good as it once was, but I still can
remember a lot of older stuff about baseball... I also worked as a sports writer
for a time, but it was not my life time avocation.
>  
> Maris was the AL MVP in 1960 and 1961 and hit 100 home runs between the two
seasons. He still had a good season in 1962 with 33 home runs and 100 Rbi's...
He was injured part of 63 and broke a bone in his hand in 65 and missed most of
that season. 1964 was his last solid season in New York as he hit 26 home runs.
People forget he was only 26 when he hit 61 home runs in 1961. His last season
in NY was 1966 and he missed a lot of games with minor injuries. He wasn't
getting along with the front office and told them he was going to retire after
the season. The Yankees persuaded him to continue playing if they traded him to
St.Louis. Maris for Charlie Smith since the Yankees had stupidly traded Clete
Boyer a few weeks before for Bill Robinson....
> Gussie Busch helped persuade Roger to play in St.Louis and he later was
rewarded with a Budweiser distributorship in Florida. Roger played in St.Louis 2
seasons and they were in the WS both years. He retired after the 1968 WS loss to
Detriot. One other note Roger was one of the best high school football players
in the nation in HS.
>  
> L.A.S
>
>
> ________________________________
>  From: o'dell william <lprachan2@...>
> To: "thenewyorkyankeesfanclub@yahoogroups.com"
<thenewyorkyankeesfanclub@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, April 4, 2012 1:55 PM
> Subject: Re: [The NYY Fan Club] Re: Yeah Guess im a forum troll
>
>
>
>  
>
> Either you have a baseball encyclopia in your hand or you have a hell of a
memory.  my earliest recolection would be 1961, with morris chasing babe ruths
record and if it wasnt for mantle getting injured it would have been mantle
breaking the record.  he broke the record then he got traded and soon after
that he left baseball.  correct me if Im wrong. 
>
>
>
>
> >________________________________
> >From: lauren scrafford <milwaukeeroadidaho@...>
> >To: "thenewyorkyankeesfanclub@yahoogroups.com"
<thenewyorkyankeesfanclub@yahoogroups.com>
> >Sent: Wednesday, April 4, 2012 1:01 PM
> >Subject: Re: [The NYY Fan Club] Re: Yeah Guess im a forum troll
> >
> >
> > 
> >Babe Ruth baseball's first bad boy???
> > 
> >Babe Ruth couldn't hold a candle to some of the players in baseball's early
days, including Ty Cobb who almost everyone he played with and against hated. He
fought
> >players, umpires, spectators. Choked a black man for being too uppity and
stabbed another for coming to his defense. Sharpened his spikes so he could
purposely spike infielders.
> > 
> >King Kelly, Pete Alexander and all the hard drinkers that made Ruth look like
a lightweight.
> > 
> >Hal Chase who bet on and against his own team. One of the most crooked
players to have played the game.
> > 
> >In the early days only men along with ladies of questionable character
attended the baseball games due to the language in the stands and on the
field...
> > 
> >Jacob Ruppert and the Yankees first GM Ed Barrow built the Yankees not Miller
Huggins.
> > 
> >Babe Ruth was on 10 world series teams. 3 with the Red Sox and they won all
of them. 7 with the Yankees who were 4 and 3 during his career with the
Yankees...
> > 
> >Miller Huggins managed 12 season for the Yankees and won 3 WS and lost 3
WS.... Joe McCarthy was the Yankees manager for 16 seasons and won 7 WS and lost
1 WS. His last 3 years he didn't win either.
> >McCarthy and his late 30's and early 40's teams were more dominant over a
longer period of time than the 20's and early 30's Yankees but the 1927
Yankees was the most dominant team ever.
> > 
> >I have touched on the Rizzuto situation before and don't want to belabor it
again. It was a long time coming and he hadn't been the every day shortstop for
the Yankees for three years. The way it was handled may have been done poorly
but it wasn't like they let him go during the high point of his career. I agree
about the firing of Casey and Yogi those were both mistakes...
> > 
> >Not sure which GM you are getting at Ed Barrow 1920-44 followed by Larry
MacPhail 45-47, George Weiss 48-60(who was a cut throat), Roy Hamey 61-63, Ralph
Houk 64-66 etc...
> > 
> >As for the Maris trade. I remember it well... I don't remember too much
screaming about trading for him... The Yankees got rid of a real favorite in
Hank Bauer who's career was over and had managerial ambitions. Norm Siebern who
never lived up to his promise. Don Larsen who pitched one great game in his
career and a few other good ones, but was mediocre and Marv Throneberry who if
Denver was in the majors at that time would be in the Hall of Fame. The Yankees
also received reserve infielder Joe DeMaestri and backup first baseman Kent
Hadley. It was one sided from the get go as the Yankees were receiving an
excellent defensive outfielder with a rocket arm who could have played
centerfield except for the Yankees had Mickey Mantle. The downside was he had
never hit for a high average but had some power. No one would have guessed he
would hit 61 homeruns but I don't remember too much crying from Yankee fans
about losing Don Larsen, Marv Throneberry and
>  Norm Siebern... My father was an AP sportswriter at the time and he said the
Yankees stole Maris from KC as KC had done from Cleveland.
> > 
> >L.A.Scrafford 
> >
> >________________________________
> >From: Daniel <danbo563@...>
> >To: thenewyorkyankeesfanclub@yahoogroups.com
> >Sent: Tuesday, April 3, 2012 10:46 PM
> >Subject: [The NYY Fan Club] Re: Yeah Guess im a forum troll
> >
> >
> > 
> >i cant say i go back as far as you, in fact, i wasnt even a thought back in
61'. but i've followed the yankees since about 1970. nothing got me more
interested in them at a young age, as the old timers game. & that made me go
back as far as i could, as much as i could. the yankees, from that 1 famous
trade in 1920, have been the class of baseball. miller huggins started & tried
to build on a tradition, & suceeded for the most part. what seperated the
yankees from everyone else back then was the prestige & glamour of being a
yankee. of course, miller had 1 gigantic headache, babe ruth. he was, if you
want to put it, baseballs 1st bad boy. its a wonder that that team, from
1923-about 33, only won 4 titles. they won 4 titles almost as soon as he was
gone! & to this day, maybe not much during cbs ownership years, they have kept
that tradition going. of course, certain players came out & said they'd never
play for george, but i really cant believe they meant
>  it, even griffey. even randy ended up playing for us, after vowing he'd
retire before playing for us. we've always been a team that realized 1 thing,
scouting is what works. you cant win without finding the diamonds. you know what
makes the yankees so great? take the ruths, reggies & alot of the old timers
away that we traded for or picked up. you take just our home grown stars, who
made it as yankees, our all time team still is better than anyone elses! thats
what makes the yankees the greatest sports franchise, period! now, as for your
cut-throat comment. the only cut-throat action i'll say there's been is in
house. you dont need to be a rocket scientist to understand, what happened to
rizutto in '56 was horrible, or, firing casey after '60 series was just wrong,
or firing berra after '64 series was just as wrong. & other players, the martins
& marises, howard, maybe moose too. but, when you look at the few, then realize,
how many other moves, deals
>  or pick ups were made along with these, you do have to remember, it's a
business. i would never have liked (for the life of me, i cant think of his
name) as a gm. but, he did build that team from day 1. from 46 or 47, when he
1st became gm of yankees, til he finally left in i believe 64, how many pennants
& titles did he bring home? & while core stars may have been the same, he made
alot of moves & changes to keep them that way. so, cut-throat, i'm not sure i'd
use that word. he penny-pinched like no other, & when he felt something had to
be done, he did it. you think fans back then didnt scream when he made the trade
for maris at 1st? even the reporters were all over him, "trading so much of the
future for a never-will-be" is 1 quote i do remember. but, just like phil &
casey & yogi, he felt that's what was best for the team. & all he did was win
back to back mvp's, while hitting 61 hr's 1 year. so yeah, we did things big,
even some really unpopular.
>  but cut-throat, i wont exactly go that far. i'll get into george another
time. for the record, i loved george from the beginning.
> >
> >--- In thenewyorkyankeesfanclub@yahoogroups.com, "jerry5454" <grldsherwood@>
wrote:
> >>
> >> Sorry I spelled J Johnsons name wrong but it is well known fact Girardi
wrecked him and the other pitchers he had his 1 yr in Miami
> >> Its only a matter of time before Donnie baseball comes home
> >> Ive been watching Yankee baseball since 1961
> >> read Dynasty by Pete Golenbeck 1949 t0 1964 and you will find out how
Yankees were cutthroat team long before George Steingrabber
> >> ps you cant always leave it up to these young kids to be in shape
> >> even tho most are
>  today
> >> theres other things in life
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>

Original Message:
From: Julie Vazquez <quemalajuliana777@...>
To: "TheYankeesClub@yahoogroups.com" <TheYankeesClub@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [TheYankeesClub] Stewart?? ... Really...?
Date:
Thu, 5 Apr 2012 05:59:42 -0700 (PDT)

   
Yanks add catcher Stewart, option Cervelli
By Bryan Hoch / MLB.com | 04/04/12 5:50
PM ET
TAMPA, Fla. -- The Yankees completed a deal on Wednesday to address their

organizational catching depth, acquiring veteran Chris Stewart from the
Giants
in exchange for right-hander George Kontos.
Because Stewart is out of Minor League options, Yankees general manager
Brian
Cashman said that the 30-year-old right-handed hitter will be on the
Opening Day
roster as the backup catcher, with a stunned Francisco Cervelli being
optioned
to Triple-A Scranton/Wilkes-Barre.
"It's not my decision, and that's it," Cervelli said. "I'm disappointed
with
this, but that's never going to change anything. All my life, I've had to
do
things, and I've had to do it double, triple. If they want me to prove
that I
can catch in the big leagues, I'll go and prove it, that I have to be
here."
Cervelli homered on Wednesday in the Yankees' 8-3 Grapefruit League
victory
over the Mets, and he had been told all spring that he would be the
backup
catcher. Cashman said that a lingering disc injury to projected Triple-A
catcher
Austin Romine has impacted the club's depth.
"We feel that Cervelli is a Major League backup, without a doubt,"
Cashman
said. "Now, we're back to where we were before the Romine injury, even
though
it's not a good situation for Cervy to go back to Triple-A.
Organizationally,
we're in a good place with Russell Martin, Stewart and Cervelli."
Stewart, 30, has hit .200 with a .273 on-base percentage and three home
runs
in 93 career Major League games, while throwing out 28 of 72 would-be
basestealers.
Yankees manager Joe Girardi said that breaking the news to Cervelli was
especially difficult. Cervelli was upset as he spoke with reporters and
has been
a popular figure on the Yankees' roster since being called up from the
Minor
Leagues in 2009.
"This was a tough one," Girardi said. "Our depth for catching, with
Romine
being hurt, was really thin. We know how quick it can happen for a
catcher. It
was tough. As tough as I've had to do."
The 26-year-old Kontos appeared in seven games as a reliever with the
Yankees
last season, posting a 3.00 ERA and striking out six batters in as many
innings.
In five Grapefruit League outings this year, Kontos worked 6 1/3 innings
of
two-run ball, striking out seven and walking one.
"I felt like I was in a good spot with this organization, whether or not
I
broke with the team," Kontos said. "I think I've showed enough this
Spring
Training and last season, when I pitched up there, that I was able to do
it and
hold my own. If it wasn't out of camp, I think it would have been soon,
so
hopefully, I'm in a better situation there, now that I'm headed that
way."

From: o'dell william <lprachan2@...>
To: "thenewyorkyankeesfanclub@yahoogroups.com" <thenewyorkyankeesfanclub@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Fri, Apr 6, 2012 04:47:05 GMT+00:00
Subject: Re: [The NYY Fan Club] Re: Yeah Guess im a forum troll

 

my first game was in 1972.  the braves and the padres.   thats what got me into the braves back then.

From: Joey <nightnelms@...>
To: Thenewyorkyankeesfanclub <thenewyorkyankeesfanclub@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, April 5, 2012 1:52 PM
Subject: Re: [The NYY Fan Club] Re: Yeah Guess im a forum troll

 

My first game was in 98 in Seattle and the Mariners beat the O's.

Sent from my U.S. Cellular BlackBerry® smartphone

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Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2012 10:34:48 -0700 (PDT)

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Subject: Re: [The NYY Fan Club] Re: Yeah Guess im a forum troll

 

My first game was in montreal canada in june 11th 1974 ... reds versus the expos 16 to 6 was the final in favor of gene machs expos. Game was played at Parc Jarry field and i was 7 years old :)

lineup below of the reds....weehooo

Oh and Ken singleton was playing for the expos that day as well :)

Pete Rose LF	4	1	1	0	1	0	.279	.760	0.016	0.75	0.059	-0.042	0.1	1	0
Joe Morgan 2B	3	0	1	0	2	1	.317	.927	0.084	0.95	0.106	-0.022	0.9	0	2	2B
Johnny Bench C	5	1	2	2	0	1	.289	.924	0.117	1.27	0.198	-0.081	1.0	3	0	2B
Tony Perez 1B	4	1	2	0	1	2	.298	.895	-0.060	0.69	0.039	-0.099	0.7	13	2
Dan Driessen 3B	5	1	1	2	0	1	.270	.720	-0.030	0.86	0.068	-0.098	0.4	0	2	3B
Terry Crowley RF	3	0	1	0	1	0	.231	.600	0.003	0.66	0.035	-0.032	-0.3	1	0	2B
George Foster RF	1	0	0	0	0	1	.254	.719	0.000	0.00	0.000	0.000	-0.4	1	0
Cesar Geronimo CF	4	1	0	0	1	1	.310	.873	0.026	0.73	0.075	-0.049	-0.5	2	0
Dave Concepcion SS

My wife and I just got back from watching the Yankees spring training games at
Legends (Steinbrenner Field). In the past week, I believe the Yankees have made
a big mistake in sending a gutsy, competitive, spirited Francisco Cevelli. He
did everything the Yankees asked of him... at times I rather have his bat and
speed then Martin (who will probably be let go by the season's end). Another
mistake is to let Justin Maxwell go over Chavez or Ibanez. He had a great spring
and is 28 and a good outfielder... plus Pineda  will have trouble pitching in
Yankee stadium. He seems lost, frustrated, irritated and has a hard time
communicating as he speaks manily Spanish. I see another Carl Pavano, AjBurnett,
Steve Trout and Ken Holtzman on our hands in which we lost a good bat in the
trade.

the 1st game i remember going to, i was 11 or 12, so it was 74 or 75. maybe i
can get a little help if 74 was too early. it was when yankees were playing at
shea. my dad & older brother were mets fans, so they went to mets games. but
once, he got tickets from a friend for a yankees game. i know it was against the
indians because, 1 of my all time favorite non-yankees was frank robinson, & i
remember there being a close play at 3b, where he came out & argued the call. i
know the yankees won, i was always a good luck charm for home teams. 16-0 for
home teams til, of all people, the friggin red sox beat yankees at old home last
season there. my 1st game however, i dont really remember it, but it was 1969,
mets/cubs, when mets were catching them that year.

--- In thenewyorkyankeesfanclub@yahoogroups.com, "zaga21@..." <zaga21@...>
wrote:
>
> My first game was 1988. Yankees vs. Royals. Tommy John was pitching against
Mark Gubicza of KC. We lost 5-3. George Brett & Bo Jackson hit home runs. I felt
all
>
> Sent from my MOTOROLA ATRIXâ„¢ 2 on AT&T
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> -----Original message-----
> From: o'dell william <lprachan2@...>
> To: "thenewyorkyankeesfanclub@yahoogroups.com"
<thenewyorkyankeesfanclub@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Fri, Apr 6, 2012 04:47:05 GMT+00:00
> Subject: Re: [The NYY Fan Club] Re: Yeah Guess im a forum troll
>
> my first game was in 1972.  the braves and the padres.   thats what got me
into the braves back then.
>
>
> From: Joey <nightnelms@...>
> >To: Thenewyorkyankeesfanclub <thenewyorkyankeesfanclub@yahoogroups.com>
> >Sent: Thursday, April 5, 2012 1:52 PM
> >Subject: Re: [The NYY Fan Club] Re: Yeah Guess im a forum troll
> >
> > 
> >My first game was in 98 in Seattle and the Mariners beat the O's.
> >Sent from my U.S. Cellular BlackBerry® smartphone
> >From: Greg Gray <la_pensione@...>
> >Sender: thenewyorkyankeesfanclub@yahoogroups.com
> >Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2012 10:34:48 -0700 (PDT)
> >To:
thenewyorkyankeesfanclub@yahoogroups.com<thenewyorkyankeesfanclub@...\
m>
> >ReplyTo: thenewyorkyankeesfanclub@yahoogroups.com
> >Subject: Re: [The NYY Fan Club] Re: Yeah Guess im a forum troll
> >
> > 
> >My first game was in montreal canada in june 11th 1974 ... reds versus the
expos 16 to 6 was the final in favor of gene machs expos. Game was played
at Parc Jarry field and i was 7 years old :)
> >
> >
> >lineup below of the reds....weehooo
> >
> >
> >Oh and Ken singleton was playing for the expos that day as well :)
> >
> >
> >Pete Rose LF 4 1 1 0 1 0 .279 .760 0.016 0.75 0.059 -0.042 0.1 1 0
> >Joe Morgan 2B 3 0 1 0 2 1 .317 .927 0.084 0.95 0.106 -0.022 0.9 0 2 2B
> >Johnny Bench C 5 1 2 2 0 1 .289 .924 0.117 1.27 0.198 -0.081 1.0 3 0 2B
> >Tony Perez 1B 4 1 2 0 1 2 .298 .895 -0.060 0.69 0.039 -0.099 0.7 13 2
> >Dan Dries
>

well, not the start we all were looking for, to say the least. opening day, & mo
gets beat, by pena, after he hits grand slam off cc! then, game 2, the 1 guy
that does make me a little nervous of our pitchers, kuroda, does not look good.
i wanted to stay away from darvish because he's asian. so, we sign kuroda. the
reason i say he makes me nervous is, he's a nl pitcher now pitching in al. & not
just al, but al east! then, as usual, at least it seems that way, tex starts
0-9. is there anyway we can help him not get off to such slow, frustrating
starts? maybe have him wear thermals & skintight gloves, if its really cold air.
but, on the good side, arod looks good so far, & ibanez & swusher have homered &
driven in a few runs. jeter looks as normal as ever & robertson looks
outstanding. we're 0-2, but our offense looks ready. & that, to me, is the
important part. i'm also glad girardi finally came to his senses, & has cano at
#3 spot now. granderson i'm really not worried about with his slow 1st 2 games.
but, at least we have a chance of not repeating last couple years slow starts,
where 1 guys hitting & next guy isnt, through out line up. mo gave up a very
early christmas present & kuroda, i hope has an idea about al hitters now.
hughes i feel is going to be our unsung hero this year. i really do believe he's
back. & pineda, when he gets here, probably with andy, then we'll really get on
a roll. by the way, i like the way this pineda situation is turning out. why
save him later in season. let him get his momentum in june & july, then pick up
& get stronger during important time of year. you know, like strasburg a couple
years ago, a couple of the younger last year. they were pretty much shut down
because of all the innings they pitched came sept. so yes, i have no problem at
all with the pineda issue. oh, & hughes wont let us start 0-3, right guys?

ok, figured i'd try to make some of us fans do some remembering. this 1 should
be fun. how many yankees have played in all star games, as yankees? i'll start
out with who i can think of off the top of my head, by position:

c- dickey, berra, howard, munson, cerone, posada. (nokes?)

1b- gehrig, skowron, pepitone, mattingly, martinez, texeira. (collins?)

2b- gordon, kubek, randolph, sax, cano.

3b- boyer, nettles, arod. (theres 1 from 40's, cant think of his name)

ss- rizutto, richardson, dent, jeter. (this cant be it!)

of- ruth, lazzeiri, meusel, dimaggio, mantle, maris, murcer, white, reggie,
winfield, henderson, barfield, bernie, o'neill, granderson, swisher.

p- grove, bender, ford, turley, stottlemyre, bouton, lyle, hunter, guidry,
gossage, righetti, wells, pettitte, rivera, clemens, mussina, sabathia.

there's a few guys i think made an all star team, but i'm only putting the 1's
i'm sure about. like mcdougald i'm pretty sure made at least 1, but, then again,
he may not have. i know there's a couple pitchers i'm leaving out, mainly from
40's & 50's. remember, there was no all star game until 1933. so, while some
probably would've made 1, like wally pipp, there was'nt any back then.so, go
ahead, especially you old timers. let me know who i missed. but, just think,
this is over 50 names here already. how many teams have accomplished even half
of this! so, thought i'd have some fun with this. have fun.

the big red machine during their hey day had bench, perez, morgan & rose on
their if. they all made or should be in the hall of fame. it really is arguable
if concepcion deserves to be there too. to me, he does. he had to play between
rose & morgan. thats alot of area to cover. it's why he was a, i believe, 9 time
gold glove ss. so, that's as close as it's come. our if in 2008 was posada, tex,
cano, arod & jeter. to me, they're all hofer's, including posada. think back,
that 10 year period, from 96-05. was there a better catcher in the league? he
was a very good defensive catcher. i believe he won at least 1 gold glove. but,
he always had pudge to go against. he was always in the 20-25 hr range, just
about every year during that period he was right around 90 rbi's. & he really
was the soul, the leader of that team. yes, to me, he belongs in hall. only
other question to me is, will tex keep it up to make it there also? if he stays
consistent for next 5, 6 years, yes, he should make it. i believe he's right
around 300 hr's & closing in on 1000 rbi's for his career. he's also arguably,
the best fielding 1b of this era. so yes, to me, he'll have the #'s & all to
make it. cano, i cant see him breaking stride. to me, he's finally hitting where
he should, in the #3 hole, & he should be there for at least the next 10 years.
& he should average close to 30 hr's, well over 100 rbi's, & bat a consistent
over 300. ask me, by time he's through, he'll be best 2b to ever play the game.
the other 2 are no-brainers. jeter & arod will be in hall. & yes, arod will make
it easily. with all the steroid talk & whatever, by time he's ready to go, it
will have all died down, just like things always happen in mlb. so, do you see
it like i do? will there finally be an entire hof if?

Didn't I tell you Maxwell was out of options and would be cut?  Huh?  You
didn't listen to me!
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Agreed

Thanks,
DT