From: SLC <theslick1@...>
Subject: [The NYY Fan Club] Scioscia AL Manager of the Year, Girardi 3rd
To: thenewyorkyankeesfanclub@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, November 18, 2009, 3:22 PM

 

Scioscia, who is the first manager in Major League history to pilot six postseason teams in his first 10 seasons, received 15 of a possible 28 first-place votes for 106 points.

The Twins' Ron Gardenhire finished second with six first-place votes and 72 points. Joe Girardi of the Yankees (four first-place votes) was third, followed by the Mariners' Don Wakamatsu (two), the Rangers' Ron Washington (one) and the Tigers' Jim Leyland.

From: SLC <theslick1@...>
Subject: [The NYY Fan Club] Yankee Minor League Free Agents
To: thenewyorkyankeesfanclub@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, November 18, 2009, 1:36 PM

 

RHP: Paul Bush (AA), Michael Gardner (AA), Justin Pope (AA), Humberto Sanchez (AAA), Jay Stephens (AA), Jose Valdez (AAA)

C: Brian Peterson (AAA), Chris Stewart (AAA)

3B: Eric Duncan (AAA), Carlos Mendoza (AA), Cody Ransom (AAA), Marcos Vechionacci (AA)

SS: Doug Bernier (AAA)

OF: Edwar Gonzalez (AA), Freddy Guzman (AAA), Richie Robnett (AA), John Rodriguez (AAA)

From: Joseph P. <jpasseri@...>
Subject: Re: [The NYY Fan Club] Happy Hollidays?
To: thenewyorkyankeesfanclub@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, November 17, 2009, 5:46 PM

 

I wouldn't be interested in Arroyo. --- On Tue, 11/17/09, SLC <theslick1@yahoo. com> wrote: From: SLC <theslick1@yahoo. com> Subject: Re: [The NYY Fan Club] Happy Hollidays? To: thenewyorkyankeesfa nclub@yahoogroup s.com Date: Tuesday, November 17, 2009, 12:59 PM   Arroyo is probably available but he'll earn $11 million in 2010. He's an innings eater, but I'm not sure he's worth anywhere near that much. --- In thenewyorkyankeesfa nclub@yahoogroup s.com, Greg Gray <la_pensione@ ...> wrote: > > Or lower the price on lackey...... .:) Cause right now its just lackey and really no one else unless jackson and arroyo are truly available. > > --- On Mon, 11/16/09, Bob Fisher <bob@...> wrote: > > From: Bob Fisher <bob@...> > Subject: Re: [The NYY Fan Club] Happy Hollidays? > To: thenewyorkyankeesfa nclub@yahoogroup s.com > Date: Monday, November 16, 2009, 1:48 PM > > > > > > > >   > > > > > > > > > > > > Resign Damon & Matsui and go after > > Lackey. The only reason to be in the > > Halladay issue is to raise his price so > > Boston or LA have to pay a ton for him. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "SLC" <theslick1@yahoo. com> > > To: <thenewyorkyankeesf a nclub@yahoogroup s.com> > > Sent: Monday, November 16, 2009 12:59 > > Subject: [The NYY Fan Club] Happy Hollidays? > > > > Are the Yankees serious about Matt Holliday? This writer seems to think > > Holliday will be a Yankee, Red Sox, or Angel next year. > > > > http://msn.foxsport s.com/mlb/ story/10369008/ With-Boras- at-his-side, -look-for- Holliday- to-go-to- AL > > > > You have to assume that the Red Sox will be Holliday shoppers only if they > > do not sign Jason Bay. If they sign Holliday and do not re-sign Bay, then > > logically the Angels and Yankees would be bidders for Bay, a less costly > > acquisition. > > > > If the Yankees are all in for Holliday or Bay, I suppose that means they are > > not re-signing Damon and Matsui. > > > > To me, the emphasis on adding a Holliday or a Bay is misplaced. The team > > hits plenty, scores plenty. In the post-season, the concern wasn't whether > > Damon and Matsui would produce (they did) but whether the starters could go > > on 3 days rest. If they're going to spend a truckload of money on a free > > agent, why not spend it on someone who could solve the 3 day rest problem > > (i.e., a starting pitcher)? >

From: SLC <theslick1@...>
Subject: Re: [The NYY Fan Club] Happy Hollidays?
To: thenewyorkyankeesfanclub@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, November 17, 2009, 12:59 PM

 

Arroyo is probably available but he'll earn $11 million in 2010. He's an innings eater, but I'm not sure he's worth anywhere near that much.

--- In thenewyorkyankeesfa nclub@yahoogroup s.com, Greg Gray <la_pensione@ ...> wrote:
>
> Or lower the price on lackey...... .:) Cause right now its just lackey and really no one else unless jackson and arroyo are truly available.
>
> --- On Mon, 11/16/09, Bob Fisher <bob@...> wrote:
>
> From: Bob Fisher <bob@...>
> Subject: Re: [The NYY Fan Club] Happy Hollidays?
> To: thenewyorkyankeesfa nclub@yahoogroup s.com
> Date: Monday, November 16, 2009, 1:48 PM
>
>
>
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>  
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> Resign Damon & Matsui and go after
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> Lackey. The only reason to be in the
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> Halladay issue is to raise his price so
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> Boston or LA have to pay a ton for him.
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>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> From: "SLC" <theslick1@yahoo. com>
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> To: <thenewyorkyankeesf a nclub@yahoogroup s.com>
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> Sent: Monday, November 16, 2009 12:59
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> Subject: [The NYY Fan Club] Happy Hollidays?
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> Are the Yankees serious about Matt Holliday? This writer seems to think
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> Holliday will be a Yankee, Red Sox, or Angel next year.
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> http://msn.foxsport s.com/mlb/ story/10369008/ With-Boras- at-his-side, -look-for- Holliday- to-go-to- AL
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> You have to assume that the Red Sox will be Holliday shoppers only if they
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> do not sign Jason Bay. If they sign Holliday and do not re-sign Bay, then
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> logically the Angels and Yankees would be bidders for Bay, a less costly
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> acquisition.
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> If the Yankees are all in for Holliday or Bay, I suppose that means they are
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> not re-signing Damon and Matsui.
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> To me, the emphasis on adding a Holliday or a Bay is misplaced. The team
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> hits plenty, scores plenty. In the post-season, the concern wasn't whether
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> Damon and Matsui would produce (they did) but whether the starters could go
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> on 3 days rest. If they're going to spend a truckload of money on a free
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> agent, why not spend it on someone who could solve the 3 day rest problem
>
> (i.e., a starting pitcher)?
>

From: Bob Fisher <bob@...>
Subject: Re: [The NYY Fan Club] Happy Hollidays?
To: thenewyorkyankeesfanclub@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, November 16, 2009, 1:48 PM

 

Resign Damon & Matsui and go after
Lackey. The only reason to be in the
Halladay issue is to raise his price so
Boston or LA have to pay a ton for him.

----- Original Message -----
From: "SLC" <theslick1@yahoo. com>
To: <thenewyorkyankeesfa nclub@yahoogroup s.com>
Sent: Monday, November 16, 2009 12:59
Subject: [The NYY Fan Club] Happy Hollidays?

Are the Yankees serious about Matt Holliday? This writer seems to think
Holliday will be a Yankee, Red Sox, or Angel next year.

http://msn.foxsport s.com/mlb/ story/10369008/ With-Boras- at-his-side, -look-for- Holliday- to-go-to- AL

You have to assume that the Red Sox will be Holliday shoppers only if they
do not sign Jason Bay. If they sign Holliday and do not re-sign Bay, then
logically the Angels and Yankees would be bidders for Bay, a less costly
acquisition.

If the Yankees are all in for Holliday or Bay, I suppose that means they are
not re-signing Damon and Matsui.

To me, the emphasis on adding a Holliday or a Bay is misplaced. The team
hits plenty, scores plenty. In the post-season, the concern wasn't whether
Damon and Matsui would produce (they did) but whether the starters could go
on 3 days rest. If they're going to spend a truckload of money on a free
agent, why not spend it on someone who could solve the 3 day rest problem
(i.e., a starting pitcher)?

From: SLC <theslick1@...>
Subject: [The NYY Fan Club] Happy Hollidays?
To: thenewyorkyankeesfanclub@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, November 16, 2009, 12:59 PM

 

Are the Yankees serious about Matt Holliday? This writer seems to think Holliday will be a Yankee, Red Sox, or Angel next year.

http://msn.foxsport s.com/mlb/ story/10369008/ With-Boras- at-his-side, -look-for- Holliday- to-go-to- AL

You have to assume that the Red Sox will be Holliday shoppers only if they do not sign Jason Bay. If they sign Holliday and do not re-sign Bay, then logically the Angels and Yankees would be bidders for Bay, a less costly acquisition.

If the Yankees are all in for Holliday or Bay, I suppose that means they are not re-signing Damon and Matsui.

To me, the emphasis on adding a Holliday or a Bay is misplaced. The team hits plenty, scores plenty. In the post-season, the concern wasn't whether Damon and Matsui would produce (they did) but whether the starters could go on 3 days rest. If they're going to spend a truckload of money on a free agent, why not spend it on someone who could solve the 3 day rest problem (i.e., a starting pitcher)?

From: Greg Gray <la_pensione@...>
Subject: Re: [The NYY Fan Club] The Case for Bringing Back Matsui
To: thenewyorkyankeesfanclub@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, November 15, 2009, 2:34 PM

 

If You look at the average age of our past ws championships for players the hitters have been as old as 32 years. The Yankees avg age this year was 30.1 i believe. and their pitching avg age was well below their 90's run. Point being the Yanks could take a flyer on both Damon and Matsui and still be OK. They are the good compliments to a strong core. I would resign them both. --- On Sun, 11/15/09, Joseph P. <jpasseri@yahoo. com> wrote: From: Joseph P. <jpasseri@yahoo. com> Subject: Re: [The NYY Fan Club] The Case for Bringing Back Matsui To: thenewyorkyankeesfa nclub@yahoogroup s.com Date: Sunday, November 15, 2009, 1:12 PM   Every word is true. Matsui is the consummate professional and a very good clutch player who brings in lots of money in the Asian market. Sounds like a no brainer to me. Guess who's rumored to be interested in him- Boston. Even with Ortiz and Lowell still around. Why-because of all the reasons mentioned in the story and especially the financial aspect of the Asian market. Why do you think they paid Dice-k all that money? His talent- yes and the financial rewards from overseas. They've made back that money and then some. --- On Sun, 11/15/09, SLC <theslick1@yahoo. com> wrote: From: SLC <theslick1@yahoo. com> Subject: [The NYY Fan Club] The Case for Bringing Back Matsui To: thenewyorkyankeesfa nclub@yahoogroup s.com Date: Sunday, November 15, 2009, 11:20 AM   This was written by his agent, Art Tellem. "The ageless Matsui has shown not just that he can still hit, but that he can hit with consistency and aplomb. During the regular season, he ranked second among DHs in homers, and third in slugging percentage, on-base percentage and walks. No left-handed hitter homered more off southpaws. Matsui combines the late-inning heroics of Yankees great Tommy (Old Reliable) Henrich and the superb professionalism of Paul O'Neill. He's a complete player who always has taken pride in contributing to all facets of the game. Matsui's immense popularity in Japan gives the Yanks strong financial incentive to re-sign him. He helps bring in millions of dollars annually in marketing and sponsorship revenue. In the seven years since he joined the Bronx Bombers, Matsui has played a pivotal role in establishing the Yankees as a global brand. Six major Japanese companies -- including Toyota, Sony and the Daily Yomiuri newspaper -- have signed on as advertisers, each reportedly adding $1 million or so a year to team coffers. Most of these firms have placed their billboards in right field, often the final resting ground of Godzilla's monstrous clouts, to target the audience of NHK, the Japanese radio and television network. Currently, NHK airs 120 Yankee games a season. It's not a stretch to say Matsui is as responsible for Japanese interest in the Yankees as Yao Ming is for the NBA in China. Matsui has yet another virtue that goes beyond mere statistics. In an age when athletes mock our reverence daily, he's exemplary in every aspect of his life. In January of 2003, his very first request upon landing in New York was to be taken to the Twin Towers memorial to pay his respects. He did this without publicity or fanfare. He did it because, he said, it was "the right thing to do." After the tsunami hit Indonesia at the end of 2005, Matsui, out his own sense of decency, donated $500,000 to UNICEF. He's one of those rare superstars who recognize the unique role his astonishing talent has given him and the good he can do for others."

From: Joseph P. <jpasseri@...>
Subject: Re: [The NYY Fan Club] The Case for Bringing Back Matsui
To: thenewyorkyankeesfanclub@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, November 15, 2009, 1:12 PM

 

Every word is true. Matsui is the consummate professional and a very good clutch player who brings in lots of money in the Asian market. Sounds like a no brainer to me. Guess who's rumored to be interested in him- Boston. Even with Ortiz and Lowell still around. Why-because of all the reasons mentioned in the story and especially the financial aspect of the Asian market. Why do you think they paid Dice-k all that money? His talent- yes and the financial rewards from overseas. They've made back that money and then some. --- On Sun, 11/15/09, SLC <theslick1@yahoo. com> wrote: From: SLC <theslick1@yahoo. com> Subject: [The NYY Fan Club] The Case for Bringing Back Matsui To: thenewyorkyankeesfa nclub@yahoogroup s.com Date: Sunday, November 15, 2009, 11:20 AM   This was written by his agent, Art Tellem. "The ageless Matsui has shown not just that he can still hit, but that he can hit with consistency and aplomb. During the regular season, he ranked second among DHs in homers, and third in slugging percentage, on-base percentage and walks. No left-handed hitter homered more off southpaws. Matsui combines the late-inning heroics of Yankees great Tommy (Old Reliable) Henrich and the superb professionalism of Paul O'Neill. He's a complete player who always has taken pride in contributing to all facets of the game. Matsui's immense popularity in Japan gives the Yanks strong financial incentive to re-sign him. He helps bring in millions of dollars annually in marketing and sponsorship revenue. In the seven years since he joined the Bronx Bombers, Matsui has played a pivotal role in establishing the Yankees as a global brand. Six major Japanese companies -- including Toyota, Sony and the Daily Yomiuri newspaper -- have signed on as advertisers, each reportedly adding $1 million or so a year to team coffers. Most of these firms have placed their billboards in right field, often the final resting ground of Godzilla's monstrous clouts, to target the audience of NHK, the Japanese radio and television network. Currently, NHK airs 120 Yankee games a season. It's not a stretch to say Matsui is as responsible for Japanese interest in the Yankees as Yao Ming is for the NBA in China. Matsui has yet another virtue that goes beyond mere statistics. In an age when athletes mock our reverence daily, he's exemplary in every aspect of his life. In January of 2003, his very first request upon landing in New York was to be taken to the Twin Towers memorial to pay his respects. He did this without publicity or fanfare. He did it because, he said, it was "the right thing to do." After the tsunami hit Indonesia at the end of 2005, Matsui, out his own sense of decency, donated $500,000 to UNICEF. He's one of those rare superstars who recognize the unique role his astonishing talent has given him and the good he can do for others."

From: Kathy Agel <badkarma.one@...>
Subject: Re: [The NYY Fan Club] Curtis Granderson
To: thenewyorkyankeesfanclub@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, November 15, 2009, 9:06 AM

 

>
>I would not make this move. Let someone else deal with the Cameron
>types. Besides I like the platoon of Gardner and Cabrera I think
>thier competition is good for their defense and offense.

It's not really a platoon. Melky is the starting CF, and moves to the
corners for defensive purposes in the later innings. Then Gardner
comes in to play center. Gardner only starts if Melky needs a day off
or plays one of the corner positions to give Damon or Swish a day off.

From: SLC <theslick1@...>
Subject: [The NYY Fan Club] The Case for Bringing Back Matsui
To: thenewyorkyankeesfanclub@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, November 15, 2009, 11:20 AM

 

This was written by his agent, Art Tellem.

"The ageless Matsui has shown not just that he can still hit, but that he can hit with consistency and aplomb. During the regular season, he ranked second among DHs in homers, and third in slugging percentage, on-base percentage and walks. No left-handed hitter homered more off southpaws. Matsui combines the late-inning heroics of Yankees great Tommy (Old Reliable) Henrich and the superb professionalism of Paul O'Neill. He's a complete player who always has taken pride in contributing to all facets of the game.

Matsui's immense popularity in Japan gives the Yanks strong financial incentive to re-sign him. He helps bring in millions of dollars annually in marketing and sponsorship revenue. In the seven years since he joined the Bronx Bombers, Matsui has played a pivotal role in establishing the Yankees as a global brand. Six major Japanese companies -- including Toyota, Sony and the Daily Yomiuri newspaper -- have signed on as advertisers, each reportedly adding $1 million or so a year to team coffers. Most of these firms have placed their billboards in right field, often the final resting ground of Godzilla's monstrous clouts, to target the audience of NHK, the Japanese radio and television network. Currently, NHK airs 120 Yankee games a season.

It's not a stretch to say Matsui is as responsible for Japanese interest in the Yankees as Yao Ming is for the NBA in China. Matsui has yet another virtue that goes beyond mere statistics. In an age when athletes mock our reverence daily, he's exemplary in every aspect of his life. In January of 2003, his very first request upon landing in New York was to be taken to the Twin Towers memorial to pay his respects. He did this without publicity or fanfare. He did it because, he said, it was "the right thing to do." After the tsunami hit Indonesia at the end of 2005, Matsui, out his own sense of decency, donated $500,000 to UNICEF. He's one of those rare superstars who recognize the unique role his astonishing talent has given him and the good he can do for others."

From: SLC <theslick1@...>
Subject: Re: [The NYY Fan Club] Curtis Granderson
To: thenewyorkyankeesfanclub@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, November 15, 2009, 10:24 AM

 

Because they didn't bring Jackson up in September, do you think that means they're planning to leave him in Scranton in 2010?

--- In thenewyorkyankeesfa nclub@yahoogroup s.com, "Joseph P." <jpasseri@.. .> wrote:
>
> Jackson was a basketball player who became a baseball player. So he had to learn the game. He has progressed nicely and was only 22 this year. He was rookie of the year in his first season at Scranton and from all reports I read had a pretty good season. His biggest drawback has been strikeouts which he's trying to cut down. His power may develop as he matures although he won't ever be a big power guy. Reggie Jackson has always raved about him and I think he knows a good player when he see one. Right now he's a Gardner type who is fast and plays good defense. However, I think he has more upside than Gardner. I wish they had included him on the roster rather than Guzman for the playoffs. He will need to be added to the 40 man anyway because he is rule 5 eligible. So they could have done that in September. It seems we've all finally accepted Melky as a everyday player but even this year when everybody has jumped on his bandwagon (including myself) his
> stats were 13 hrs, 68 rbi, a .274 average, .336 obp and 10 stolen bases. These numbers are definitely not earth-shattering so he still has a ways to go before he can be considered among the better CFs in baseball.
>
> --- On Fri, 11/13/09, SLC <theslick1@. ..> wrote:
>
>
> From: SLC <theslick1@. ..>
> Subject: Re: [The NYY Fan Club] Curtis Granderson
> To: thenewyorkyankeesfa nclub@yahoogroup s.com
> Date: Friday, November 13, 2009, 2:22 PM
>
>
>  
>
>
>
> I'm not sure how good A-Jax will be.
>
> Here are his AAA numbers from last season:
>
> BA .300
> HR 4
> RBI 65
> 2B 23
> 3B 9
> SB 24
> CS 4
> OBP .354 (identical with his 2008 OBP at Trenton)
> Slug .405
> BB 40
> SO 123
>
> If these were MLB numbers, would he be our every day CF? Honestly, I think these are numbers that Brett Gardner could easily replicate.
>
> Jackson hits for average and has speed to steal bases and leg out a 2B or 3B. But he has no power, strikes out too much and doesn't walk enough, which may indicate lack of plate discipline.
>
> --- In thenewyorkyankeesfa nclub@yahoogroup s.com, "Joseph P." <jpasseri@ .> wrote:
> >
> > I wouldn't trade Ajax unless it's in a package for someone like Felix Hernandez. Otherwise, why give up on someone like him so quickly. If Gardner was ready to step in full time he'd be ideal because of his speed and defense in CF. Melky could then shift to one of the corner outfield spots. But Gardner doesn't appear ready yet so they can't just go ahead and give him CF. So if Damon leaves they will need an OF to replace him. So the possibilities are: 1) Sign Damon and keep Melky/Gardner in CF, 2) Sign Damon and trade Melky, etc. for Grandeson 2) Let Damon go and put Melky in LF and Gardner or AJax or both in CF, 3) Trade for Grandeson and put him CF and keep Melky and put him in LF, 4) Let Damon go and sign either Holliday, Bay, Nady, Figgins or Byrd. 5) Sign one of the free agents in #4 and trade Melky, etc. for Grandeson.
> >  
> > I'm going with #1 although trading for Grandeson is tempting.
> >
> > --- On Fri, 11/13/09, SLC <theslick1@ ..> wrote:
> >
> >
> > From: SLC <theslick1@ ..>
> > Subject: Re: [The NYY Fan Club] Curtis Granderson
> > To: thenewyorkyankeesfa nclub@yahoogroup s.com
> > Date: Friday, November 13, 2009, 12:54 PM
> >
> >
> >  
> >
> >
> >
> > I don't know about "low cost" talent getting us #27. The core team (Jeter, A-Rod, Tex, CC, AJ, Mo, Posada, Damon, Matsui) are quite the opposite of that.
> >
> > As for Melky, I'm not sure Detroit would want him. We all seem to like Melky a lot, but other teams may not value him as much as we do. I could see them wanting Austin Jackson, Ian Kennedy, and another minor league pitcher, maybe Zach McAllister or Ivan Nova.
> >
> > If so, this really boils down to Granderson vs. A-Jax, the known vs. the unknown.
> >
> > --- In thenewyorkyankeesfa nclub@yahoogroup s.com, Kathy Agel <badkarma.one@ ...> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > >Granderson and Jackson would be 2 great acquisitions. But what would
> > > >it take? A lot. I don't think Cashman wants to give up a lot of
> > > >young talent which is what Detroit would want - high-end-low cost talent.
> > >
> > > I hope Cashman is too smart to make this trade. Our high-end,
> > > low-cost talent helped bring a 27th World Championship home to the Bronx.
> > >
> > > They want Melky? The player with 3 of the 15 walkoffs, a high BA in
> > > the 7th inning and later (it always seemed that when we needed a late
> > > hit, if Melky was up, he delivered)?
> > >
> > > They want Joba or Hughes? If Cashman wouldn't give them up for
> > > Santana, Lee or Halladay, why on earth would he give them up for
> > > Granderson? And then, if you make the trade, you need a replacement starter.
> > >
> >
>

From: SLC <theslick1@...>
Subject: Re: [The NYY Fan Club] Curtis Granderson
To: thenewyorkyankeesfanclub@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, November 13, 2009, 12:54 PM

 

I don't know about "low cost" talent getting us #27. The core team (Jeter, A-Rod, Tex, CC, AJ, Mo, Posada, Damon, Matsui) are quite the opposite of that.

As for Melky, I'm not sure Detroit would want him. We all seem to like Melky a lot, but other teams may not value him as much as we do. I could see them wanting Austin Jackson, Ian Kennedy, and another minor league pitcher, maybe Zach McAllister or Ivan Nova.

If so, this really boils down to Granderson vs. A-Jax, the known vs. the unknown.

--- In thenewyorkyankeesfa nclub@yahoogroup s.com, Kathy Agel <badkarma.one@ ...> wrote:
>
>
> >
> >Granderson and Jackson would be 2 great acquisitions. But what would
> >it take? A lot. I don't think Cashman wants to give up a lot of
> >young talent which is what Detroit would want - high-end-low cost talent.
>
> I hope Cashman is too smart to make this trade. Our high-end,
> low-cost talent helped bring a 27th World Championship home to the Bronx.
>
> They want Melky? The player with 3 of the 15 walkoffs, a high BA in
> the 7th inning and later (it always seemed that when we needed a late
> hit, if Melky was up, he delivered)?
>
> They want Joba or Hughes? If Cashman wouldn't give them up for
> Santana, Lee or Halladay, why on earth would he give them up for
> Granderson? And then, if you make the trade, you need a replacement starter.
>