Should have moved Dempster back in the rotation, and let Ardsma or Howry close.
   ----- Original Message -----
   From: elgoodbill
   To: thecubhouse@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: Monday, July 31, 2006 7:15 PM
   Subject: [The Cubhouse] A new tradition


   I realize I'm posting a little too much today, but here's one more.

   After hearing for years about Ron Santo's various hairpieces (the
   Number One, the Number Two and "The Gamer"), I decided that I should
   have a rotation of my own. I've got several different Cubs hats. The
   one I wear when Zambrano pitches is my Number One. It's new and it
   looks beautiful. Maddux got the one that sits in the back window of my
   car. It was in good shape, but it's old and faded. The others look
   progressively more used and disreputable.

   I also keep a wodden clothes-pin in my pocket (which I guess dates me),
   so that I can fasten it to my nose when Dempster, Rusch, or someone
   else is having a tough day.

   Hey -- if I've paid for all these tickets, then I'm going to be
   entertained even if I have to entertain myself.





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Not that it really matters, but. . .

Here's a who's hot and who's not from the month of July:

.226 Lee (ouch. . . back to the DL)
.227 Nevin (yuck)
.238 Mabry (more yuck)
.215 Walker (adios)
.308 Perez (you'll be seeing more of him)
.184 Cedeno (ouch)
.348 Ramirez (9 HR this month too)
.392 Barrett (on fire)
.400 Blanco (not wanting to be outdone)
.244 Jones (on and off -- cold again)
.360 Murton (on and off -- hot again)
.361 Pierre (looks great right now)

6-0 4.15 (1.28 WHIP) Zambrano (just keeps winning)
2-3 5.21 (1.32) Maddux (adios)
0-1 4.20 (1.33) Prior (maybe he'll become adequate)
3-2 4.62 (1.97) Marmol
1-1 3.86 (1.41) Marshall (reasonable but off to the DL)
1-1 4.38 (1.86) Rusch (one good start, otherwise a wreck)
0-0 10.80 (2.70) Hill (I guess this isn't AAA, is it?)

Never mind the bullpen.  Dempster has been scary (WHIP

As a bonus, in Zambrano's last 11 NL starts (the last 10 games when
he's had at bats), he's hitting .320 with 4 HR.  When the man is hot,
he's really hot.

If it weren't for Zambrano, I'd be looking for someone to surgically
remove the part of my brain that makes me interested in this game.

(And if they could see it on an MRI, believe me, I'd think about it.)

Steve,
I agree that there are more problematic areas to be dealt with other than
the catching situation.  I'd love to see Mike improve his defense enough so
that he can throw out a greater percentage of base stealers.  I've been
satisfied with his offensive output for the season thus far and he seems to
have the desire to win.

Ron
----- Original Message -----
From: "Steve" <steve0massey@...>
To: <thecubhouse@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, July 24, 2006 12:11 AM
Subject: Re: [The Cubhouse] Hendry - Cubs Only Need a "Tweaking" Plus
Michael Barrett


>I like that fact that Barrett worked so hard last offseason, and I
> expect he'll do the same thing during this offseason. So, I hope he
> can improve his defense.
>
> However, it was appropriately said that the Cubs have more problematic
> areas to fix first.
>
> --- In thecubhouse@yahoogroups.com, Bob Waters <r_e_waters@...> wrote:
>>
>> He's actually not a very good catcher at all defensively. If he can
> be taught to throw out baserunners, he could be an All-Star.
>>
>> I, too, am not anxious to get rid of him. I believe the logic,
> though, is that a good defensive catcher is valuable enough to a team
> that if he can't hit, you can pick up the offensive slack elsewhere.
> The Cardinals have been operating rather successfully with that
> formula for some time.
>>
>> Johnny Bench types, who can play both good offense and good defense,
> are rare. Obviously, though, that' s the best-case scenario- and I'd
> be loath to given up on Barrett until we're sure his D can't be
> brought up to snuff. Unless, of course, somebody made us an offer we
> couldn't refuse.
>>
>> --CF4L
>>
>> cubryno84 <no_reply@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
>         Recently, Jim Hendry said that the Cubs only need a tweaking.
> After
>>  losing three straight to a woeful Nationals team, and being 20 games
>>  behind a medicre Cardinals team, I am reasonably sure the Cubs need a
>>  lot more than a "tweaking." Just a new LF, CF, RF, 2nd basemen, and 2-
>>  3 quality starting pitchers.
>>
>>  BTW, why is everyone so determined to get rid of Michael Barrett? He
>>  is OK defensively and the best hitting catcher - perhaps - in the
>>  league. The Cubs have many worse problems than replacing Barrett.
>>
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On Monday, July 31, 2006, at 01:14PM, PJ Killian <pj.killian@...> wrote:

>From a quick googling, Ceda appears to be a very young/raw arm
>(currently in the Arizona League, rookie level) with a big
>fastball. I would think that Walker would be worth more than
>that, but maybe the scouts are really high on him.

For those of you not on the West Coast, the scouts are, although remember that
this kid is in Rookie league in Arizona (which when I played was like HS
all-star baseball, so I assume it is the same).  He's got a few years to prove
himself and make it to the show (hopefully).

While his ERA isn't great (a bit over 5), his control looks to be decent -- for
a raw kid (31 Ks in 24 innings, with 14 BBs).  The problem is the hits... I
haven't seen him pitch, so I can't tell you about his mechanics, but I have
heard that he uses his fastball too much, so he needs to learn a couple more
pitches (or might be a good closer someday).

My main concern is how much we had to pay the Padres for this deal.  It wasn't a
straight swap player of player, we also sent cash to help pay for Walker's
salary (I assume).

- Joe

What a pleasure it was to be there Sunday.  I thought it was going to
really hot, but I was sitting on the first base side (about 40 rows)
behind the Cardinals dugout.  The Cardinals were so ice cold, it must
have worked like air conditioning, because it was pretty reasonable.

During the ninth inning, fans started chanting "Sweep".  I think it was
a mantra to take our minds off the fact that Dempster gave up a triple
to the wall with two outs so that he could make sure he'd have to pitch
to both Rolen and Pujols.

(Parking spot #70 at the corner of Waveland and Lakewwod. . . and still
steroid-free.)

try ebay


----- Original Message ----
From: mikeoxbig91 <mikeoxbig91@...>
To: thecubhouse@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, July 30, 2006 9:15:29 PM
Subject: [The Cubhouse] Extra Bleacher Tickets In Sept. For the Dodgers and Reds

Hi, i am making the trek from northern manitoba, canada to chicago in
sept. i bought bleacher tickets for six games with the dodgers and
reds from september 12th to the 17th. i thought i would be able to
convince a few friends to come but it looks like its going to be just
me and the old lady. i have two to four extra tickets for each game. i
bought them online without realizing that i can only use the print at
home option. So i am not sure what the best way to unload them is. If
anybody is interested or has any suggestions let me know. If this post
is in violation of any rules i apologize. feel free to delete it. thanks.




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1.  Is that all we could get for Greg Maddux?  Now I fully realize
that this is not the ace Greg Maddux of old.  In fact, I don't even
like him that much.  (I respect him, but I don't really like him that
much.)  But, for a serviceable veteran starter, I figured that
pitching desperate contenders would have been willing to pay through
the nose for him (. . . as opposed to the orifice this deal seems to
have originated from).

I guess Cesar Izturis won a Gold Glove a couple years ago, but he
also just had his shoulder surgically remodeled last fall, didn't
he?  I imagine that's why the Dodgers picked up Rafael Furcal in the
off season.  The Dodgers didn't trade him, they excreted him.

2.  Is one Rookie league pitcher all we could get for Todd Walker?
Granted the guy is a power pitcher (31 K in 23 IP), but Rookie league
is a long way down there.  While I'm not happy with this one either,
I'll at least give it an "Incomplete" while we wait (several years)
to see what happens with this kid.

Anyone who is consoled by the fact that we at least get "something"
in exchange for two potential free agents is kidding themselves.  If
they leave as free agents, we get draft picks and "something" of our
own choosing.  I was expecting "something more".

I was actually looking forward to today, since I thought we'd see the
beginning of a brighter future.

Silly me.  When will I learn?

Gary,
I for one, was never for getting rid of Barrett.  Mike has had a good year
for us thus far.  I doubt very much that the Trib will spend the money
required to obtain the quality players we need.  Actually, I'm not certain
there will be very many quality players available anyway.

Ron
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To: <thecubhouse@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, July 23, 2006 4:57 PM
Subject: [The Cubhouse] Hendry - Cubs Only Need a "Tweaking" Plus Michael
Barrett


> Recently, Jim Hendry said that the Cubs only need a tweaking. After
> losing three straight to a woeful Nationals team, and being 20 games
> behind a medicre Cardinals team, I am reasonably sure the Cubs need a
> lot more than a "tweaking." Just a new LF, CF, RF, 2nd basemen, and 2-
> 3 quality starting pitchers.
>
> BTW, why is everyone so determined to get rid of Michael Barrett? He
> is OK defensively and the best hitting catcher - perhaps - in the
> league. The Cubs have many worse problems than replacing Barrett.
>
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--- In thecubhouse, "T. Pope" <berserkerone> wrote:
<<I was looking the stats over on CBS Sportsline and noticed that the
Dirty Birds are 21W – 24L within the Central Division. The Reds on the
other hand are 31W – 24L inside the division.>>

The really sad thing is that if it were just based on records within
the NL Central itself, the Cubs (believe it or not) would only be one
game behind the Reds in the standings.  The Cubs are 29-24 against NL
Central opponents.

Of course, the fact that they've been completely killed by everyone
else that they coulda-shoulda beat probably has something to do with
why they are camping out down near the bottom of the pile.

A four game sweep on the leaders, and we've "closed" the gap to 15
games out in real life.

Sigh.

Bob,
I'd be in favor of us keeping Murton as our left-fielder if he picks it up
offensively the remainder of the season.  I'd rather see Pie in center for
the entire season if he's ready to play up here by that time.  But we do
need a replacement for Jones who I wasn't in favor of getting in the first
place and we need a good second baseman to go along with two starting
pitchers.  I think both Marmol and Marshall will fair better next season
because of the experience they will have had by that time  And with Carlos
Zambrano, we should have three pretty good starters which leaves us with two
starters needed.  If Prior could stay healthy, than perhaps, we would just
need one starter, but I surely wouldn't hold my breath on that one.

Ron.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bob Waters" <r_e_waters@...>
To: <thecubhouse@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, July 24, 2006 6:53 AM
Subject: Re: [The Cubhouse] Re: Hendry - Cubs Only Need a "Tweaking" Plus
Michael Barrett


Murton, unless we get a good offer. I agree about Pierre, who's turning
things around. Besides, at worst, he'll play center for us until next July,
when Pie should be ready. He won't get much of anything for signing with
anybody, given the season he's had. Where's the harm?

--CF4L

puckdropper <no_reply@yahoogroups.com>
        --- In thecubhouse@yahoogroups.com, cubryno84 <no_reply@...> wrote:
  >
  > Recently, Jim Hendry said that the Cubs only need a tweaking. After
  > losing three straight to a woeful Nationals team, and being 20 games
  > behind a medicre Cardinals team, I am reasonably sure the Cubs need a
  > lot more than a "tweaking." Just a new LF, CF, RF, 2nd basemen, and 2-
  > 3 quality starting pitchers.
  >
  > BTW, why is everyone so determined to get rid of Michael Barrett? He
  > is OK defensively and the best hitting catcher - perhaps - in the
  > league. The Cubs have many worse problems than replacing Barrett.
  >

  If the season was to end now, and a new one begin, the Cubs would probably
be a .450 - .500 team.  I do agree that they need more than just "tweaking"
but I think I'd hang on to Murton (at 24, he's still quite young) and Pierre
(unless something better comes along).






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I realize I'm posting a little too much today, but here's one more.

After hearing for years about Ron Santo's various hairpieces (the
Number One, the Number Two and "The Gamer"), I decided that I should
have a rotation of my own.  I've got several different Cubs hats.  The
one I wear when Zambrano pitches is my Number One.  It's new and it
looks beautiful.  Maddux got the one that sits in the back window of my
car.  It was in good shape, but it's old and faded.  The others look
progressively more used and disreputable.

I also keep a wodden clothes-pin in my pocket (which I guess dates me),
so that I can fasten it to my nose when Dempster, Rusch, or someone
else is having a tough day.

Hey -- if I've paid for all these tickets, then I'm going to be
entertained even if I have to entertain myself.

Steve,
He can't be gone soon enough to suit me and Neifi Perez can go along with
him as far as I'm concerned.

Ron
----- Original Message -----
From: "Steve" <steve0massey@...>
To: <thecubhouse@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, July 25, 2006 12:47 AM
Subject: [The Cubhouse] Walker


> Everytime I see Walker out of the lineup, I wait for the trade news to
> come up.
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On 7/31/06, asgardsgate <asgardsgate@...> wrote:
> I am usually a defender of Hendry, but this years trading has got my
> head spinning and mind confused. The Maddux/Izturis deal I am unsure
> of the potential. But when you consider the deal the Dodgers made for
> Lugo and the deal that the Yankees made for Abreu, they were both
> bargains that Hendry could have made with similar talent. If he had
> been on the ball this team could have had an infield of Rameriz,
> Cedano, Lugo and Lee, plus an outfield of Abreu, Pierre and Jones.

Abreu was easily available to any team who was willing to take on his
massive salary -- obviously, the Cubs weren't. As for Lugo, the
Dodgers gave up a highly-touted prospect to get him for what might end
up being a half-season rental.

> That would have been a good-looking lineup and defense. Was he
> sleeping this year or has the Tribunes cash woes got him unloading
> tweeners while not chasing the mid to upper scale talent? What is
> happening? Is there some secret plan I am not seeing? Does anyone have
> a clue as to what he is up to?

Getting much of anything for Walker was a bonus, and I'm trusting that
the scouts who say the guy they got is amazing aren't full of it.

I can't see any defense of the trade for Izturis: he's not
significantly better than Neifi Perez or Ronny Cedeno, and he makes $4
million a year. Make a move for the sake of making a move, spend too
much money on a role player in the hope that regains the magic of a
hot half-season, fritter away your salary flexibility, never make a
big move that might make you look bad: typical Cubs. Anyone think
Hendry's still a Sooper Geenius?

Personally, I'm just waiting for the Bulls and Bears to start at this point...

Yes, I believe Hendry did not want to give up the top talent from the
minors. Both of the deals you mentioned involved top prospects changing
teams. They did not give away those players. I believe Hendry did the best
he could. I am kind of excited about Izurtis in Chicago.

jim in tennessee


On 7/31/06, asgardsgate <asgardsgate@...> wrote:
>
>    I am usually a defender of Hendry, but this years trading has got my
> head spinning and mind confused. The Maddux/Izturis deal I am unsure
> of the potential. But when you consider the deal the Dodgers made for
> Lugo and the deal that the Yankees made for Abreu, they were both
> bargains that Hendry could have made with similar talent. If he had
> been on the ball this team could have had an infield of Rameriz,
> Cedano, Lugo and Lee, plus an outfield of Abreu, Pierre and Jones.
> That would have been a good-looking lineup and defense. Was he
> sleeping this year or has the Tribunes cash woes got him unloading
> tweeners while not chasing the mid to upper scale talent? What is
> happening? Is there some secret plan I am not seeing? Does anyone have
> a clue as to what he is up to?
>
>
>


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I am usually a defender of Hendry, but this years trading has got my
head spinning and mind confused. The Maddux/Izturis deal I am unsure
of the potential. But when you consider the deal the Dodgers made for
Lugo and the deal that the Yankees made for Abreu, they were both
bargains that Hendry could have made with similar talent. If he had
been on the ball this team could have had an infield of Rameriz,
Cedano, Lugo and Lee, plus an outfield of Abreu, Pierre and Jones.
That would have been a good-looking lineup and defense. Was he
sleeping this year or has the Tribunes cash woes got him unloading
tweeners while not chasing the mid to upper scale talent? What is
happening? Is there some secret plan I am not seeing? Does anyone have
a clue as to what he is up to?

If Rose and Jackson are not on the list, than the list has no merit, much
like the Hall of Fame.

jim in tennessee


On 7/30/06, ~Forby <forbypnw@...> wrote:
>
>    maybe Joe "shoeless" Jackson was left off the list because he is banned
> from
> baseball. Pete Rose should not be on that list, on the official MLB.comsite
> either, my opinion.
> ~Forby
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> --- In thecubhouse@yahoogroups.com <thecubhouse%40yahoogroups.com>,
> carmenfanzone <no_reply@...> wrote:
> >
> > I've been an active voyeur of this group for a number of years. The
> > dirty birds have finally brought me out of hibernation.
> >
> > Can you believe that Rogers Hornsby is not on their top five list
> > for greatest players in team history at MLB.com? The man who may be
> > the greatest right handed batter in baseball history, is excluded
> > from the list.
> >
> > But Ozzie Smith, who is promoting the Hometown Heroes campaign
> > somehow made it. Guess they want to satisfy all of the living stars
> > even if it means leaving one of the greatest ever off the list.
> > Nice work Cards. Maybe the Yanks should have left Mickey Mantle off
> > their list so Chris Chambliss wouldn't get his feelings hurt. By
> > the way, Hornsby also played several years for the Cubs and was the
> > scout who strongly recommended that Billy Williams and Ron Santo be
> > brought up to the big club in 1961. The Raja still holds the Cubs
> > record for highest batting average for a season at .380.
> >
> > Other exclusions from the list of Hometown Heroes:
> >
> > Walter Johnson (how is he not one of the top five pitchers in
> > history?)
> >
> > Shoeless Joe Jackson (the Reds were smart enough to put Pete
> > Rose on their list. What's up with the south siders? Isn't this a
> > chance to finally give Shoeless Joe some of the recognition he
> > deserves!)
> >
> > Does anyone else see any obvious omissions? And did the Cubs get it
> > right?
> >
> > It was nice to see the Cubs come back tonight and hurt the birds.
> >
>
>
>


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The Cubs got good value, for the players we traded.
Maddux was not the Mad-Dog of old, and basically could return next year(I
think). Look for him to be back as a coach in a few years. Walker was a club
house cancer. not one of his old Boston teamates shed a tear when he was let go,
nor will any current Cubs.
D
   ----- Original Message -----
   From: PJ Killian
   To: thecubhouse@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: Monday, July 31, 2006 3:33 PM
   Subject: Re: [The Cubhouse] CBS: Todd Walker to the Padres


   For what it's worth, the scouting reports I've read about Ceda are
   glowing, but so much can go wrong between the rookie leagues and the
   Show. He's probably the best we can get, especially given the fact
   that the Cubs were pretty desperate to get anything back for Walker.




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For what it's worth, the scouting reports I've read about Ceda are
glowing, but so much can go wrong between the rookie leagues and the
Show. He's probably the best we can get, especially given the fact
that the Cubs were pretty desperate to get anything back for Walker.

We'll probably just see more of Neifi Perez.

--- In thecubhouse@yahoogroups.com, "T. Pope" <berserkerone@...> wrote:
>
> --- In thecubhouse@yahoogroups.com, Bob Waters <r_e_waters@> wrote:
> >
> > "Not much" is charitable: http://tinyurl.com/e9j6t
> >
> > Why bother trading Walker for a guy like this?
> >
> > --CF4L
> *******************************************************
> Doesn't make sense at all unless he is just cutting payroll since it
> is evident that Walker was not going to recieve much playing time. The
> only other reason I could think of is if he was making a trade as a
> favor with an agreement of quid pro quo at a future date. Hendry does
> not strike me as that deep so I assume it is the unloading of payroll
> with the idea of bringing up and giving the minor leaguers a shot at
> some big league experience. Perhaps it is his way to force Dusty to
> play them in the lineup.
>

I heard the Cubs were asking for pitching.

But Izturis does fit into the Cubs philosophy of going after people
that don't get on base.

--- In thecubhouse@yahoogroups.com, "PJ Killian" <pj.killian@...> wrote:
>
> Initial reports have him going to the Dodgers for Cesar Izturis.
>
> Thank God the Cubs have finally gotten a light-hitting middle
> infielder with no plate discipline! All the pieces are falling into
> place!
>

The Cubs have had no intention of keeping Walker and have been trying
to dump him for a while.

At least they got *something* instead of nothing (losing him to free
agency). Again, you may think "something" is a charitable term for the
player we got.

--- In thecubhouse@yahoogroups.com, Bob Waters <r_e_waters@...> wrote:
>
> "Not much" is charitable: http://tinyurl.com/e9j6t
>
> Why bother trading Walker for a guy like this?
>
> --CF4L
>
> --- Steve <steve0massey@...> wrote:
>
> > Here's the story:
> > http://www.sportsline.com/mlb/story/9579681
> >
> > I want to know who we get in exchange. Probably not
> > much.
> >

--- In thecubhouse@yahoogroups.com, Bob Waters <r_e_waters@...> wrote:
>
> "Not much" is charitable: http://tinyurl.com/e9j6t
>
> Why bother trading Walker for a guy like this?
>
> --CF4L
*******************************************************
Doesn't make sense at all unless he is just cutting payroll since it
is evident that Walker was not going to recieve much playing time. The
only other reason I could think of is if he was making a trade as a
favor with an agreement of quid pro quo at a future date. Hendry does
not strike me as that deep so I assume it is the unloading of payroll
with the idea of bringing up and giving the minor leaguers a shot at
some big league experience. Perhaps it is his way to force Dusty to
play them in the lineup.

Initial reports have him going to the Dodgers for Cesar Izturis.

Thank God the Cubs have finally gotten a light-hitting middle
infielder with no plate discipline! All the pieces are falling into
place!

From a quick googling, Ceda appears to be a very young/raw arm
(currently in the Arizona League, rookie level) with a big fastball. I
would think that Walker would be worth more than that, but maybe the
scouts are really high on him.

> Jose Ceda, RH pitcher

"Not much" is charitable: http://tinyurl.com/e9j6t

Why bother trading Walker for a guy like this?

--CF4L

--- Steve <steve0massey@...> wrote:

> Here's the story:
> http://www.sportsline.com/mlb/story/9579681
>
> I want to know who we get in exchange. Probably not
> much.
>
>
>
>
>


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--- PJ Killian <pj.killian@...> wrote:

> On 7/31/06, Bob Waters <r_e_waters@...> wrote:
> > But the Mets are already the best team in the NL,
> and
> > have the league's best third baseman in Wright. I
> can
> > see trading for a guy to get you over the top. But
> > that description just doesn't fit Aramis.
> >
> > --CF$L
>
>
> Oh, I wasn't saying that the Mets would deal for
> Aramis. He's been
> linked in rumors to the Padres, and maybe one or two
> other teams with
> holes at 3B. Not the Mets. I was just saying why, in
> general, a team
> would give up a viable prospect (or two or three) to
> acquire someone
> who could be a free agent in three months.
>


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Jose Ceda, RH pitcher

>From: Steve <steve0massey@...>
>Date: 2006/07/31 Mon PM 02:19:39 CDT
>To: thecubhouse@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [The Cubhouse] CBS: Todd Walker to the Padres

>
>Here's the story:
>http://www.sportsline.com/mlb/story/9579681
>
>I want to know who we get in exchange. Probably not much.
>
>

Here's the story:
http://www.sportsline.com/mlb/story/9579681

I want to know who we get in exchange. Probably not much.

On 7/31/06, Bob Waters <r_e_waters@...> wrote:
> But the Mets are already the best team in the NL, and
> have the league's best third baseman in Wright. I can
> see trading for a guy to get you over the top. But
> that description just doesn't fit Aramis.
>
> --CF$L


Oh, I wasn't saying that the Mets would deal for Aramis. He's been
linked in rumors to the Padres, and maybe one or two other teams with
holes at 3B. Not the Mets. I was just saying why, in general, a team
would give up a viable prospect (or two or three) to acquire someone
who could be a free agent in three months.

But the Mets are already the best team in the NL, and
have the league's best third baseman in Wright. I can
see trading for a guy to get you over the top. But
that description just doesn't fit Aramis.

--CF$L

--- PJ Killian <pj.killian@...> wrote:

> On 7/31/06, Bob Waters <r_e_waters@...> wrote:
> > Why in the world would anybody give us any kind of
> prospects for somebody who will be a free agent/
>
> Ask the teams in the hunt for Barry Zito. Ask the
> Rangers why they got
> Carlos Lee. In fact, a large percentage of veterans
> who get traded
> near the deadline are in the last year of their
> deals.
>
> Basically, there's three big advantages to making a
> deal for a guy in
> his last contract year:
>
> a) You get an exclusive negotiating window with him,
> if he's open to
> an extension. A team with big financial resources
> might trade
> prospects to a poor team in exchange for a guy who
> the poor team is
> going to lose anyway, just for the opportunity to
> talk to him about an
> extension. It can be a win-win for both teams,
> though sometimes it
> backfires. (See the Carlos Beltran deal from '04.)
> b) If he doesn't re-sign with your team, you get
> compensation draft
> picks from the team that gets him in the free agent
> market.
> c) Flags fly forever. Sometimes it's the right move
> to mortgage your
> future, even for a three-month rental, if you're
> within striking
> distance of a spot in the playoffs. The Mets are
> seriously talking
> about dealing for Roy Oswalt or Barry Zito or Jason
> Schmidt, because
> they have a real chance to win the pennant, if not
> the World Series.
> They'd probably have to give up Lastings Milledge,
> who's going to be a
> pretty damn good ballplayer for another 10-15 years,
> to get one of
> those guys
>


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