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#7838 From: "jeanette.hopkins" <jeanette.hopkins@...>
Date: Fri Jul 3, 2009 12:59 pm
Subject: Headlowering - a review of the original question!
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Thank-you all for the responses on headlowering. It has been really helpful and
given me lots of improvement steps to the full behaviour.

My original question was really me pondering the two training principles that we
should stick at an exercise long enough to get the benefit but that we also need
to keep things in balance.

It's clear to me now that the full behaviour will take many many training steps
to achieve so the answer seems to be "yes", keep working on it and "no", not all
at once!

Before my thread I had only HL in the field. Yesterday I walked him down the
lane to the yard. We met a stallion in a cart on the way. Rannoch DID lower his
head but pinged it straight up again!...we clearly don't have HL with relaxtion
and duration and in any environment yet and probably won't for months to come!
However I'm taking one of the ideas that came up on the thread and starting to
incorporate HL in my everyday routines.

fantastic that we have a forum to ask the question it makes the whole process so
much more enjoyable!




#7839 From: Heike Uthmann <Heike@...>
Date: Fri Jul 3, 2009 1:15 pm
Subject: Re: Headlowering - a review of the original question!
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Am 03.07.2009 um 14:59 schrieb jeanette.hopkins:

My original question was really me pondering the two training principles that we should stick at an exercise long enough to get the benefit but that we also need to keep things in balance. 

It's clear to me now that the full behaviour will take many many training steps to achieve so the answer seems to be "yes", keep working on it and "no", not all at once!

Hi Jeanette, 

as my horse normally is more calm then other horses, i never had the need to really calm him down in strange situations because there are very seldom such situations. 
Last year we were some days on a horse exhibition, and Mirko was very fixed to the other horses that come with us (we had four horses from our stable with us) 

about the third day he became really nervous and wouldn't walk away from the others without shouting to them. 
It took me a whole day until i found the idea of headlowering in my mind *sigh* because we never had to deal with that in stress situations. 

so when i washed him out of sight from the other horses, i asked for headlowering for some minutes, and he clearly became more settled with the situation. He was not really calm, but listening to me and he stopped shouting.
so although i never had used it before for really stressfull situations, it worked for us well. 

While working on headlowering before at home, i found out that he had to be really deep with his head. Alexandra calls this "breaking through a glass ceiling", and it is really a difference. When he is helding his head deep, but not really deep, he will come up after the click very quickly - this shows me that he is just putting his head down and waiting. 
If he is really deep, Nose just centimeter from the ground, he will stay down when the click comes. There you have the horses own relaxationsystem taking over. 
So, if you never touched this ceiling, your horse maybe really never relaxes. 

i have a little video where you could see this little tiny difference, which makes so big changes.


just my thoughts, because you didn't write about the "quality" of your headlowering. 

greetings from Germany,
Heike Uthmann


#7840 From: Jane Jackson <bookendsfarm@...>
Date: Fri Jul 3, 2009 1:55 pm
Subject: Re: Headlowering - a review of the original question!
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Great video showing the full nose-in-the-dirt Heike!  And great to hear that it worked to calm him in the “first” anxious experience he had!  Now I just need to learn how to read German....:)  You all are so good to know English!!
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Jane
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#7841 From: Heike Uthmann <Heike@...>
Date: Fri Jul 3, 2009 2:13 pm
Subject: Re: Headlowering - a review of the original question!
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Thanks for the comment. 
and http://dict.leo.org/ is my best friend ;-)

And we learn English at school.... or try to... 
I learned a lot more after school while working with americans. 

greetings
Heike

Am 03.07.2009 um 15:55 schrieb Jane Jackson:


Great video showing the full nose-in-the-dirt Heike!  And great to hear that it worked to calm him in the “first” anxious experience he had!  Now I just need to learn how to read German....:)  You all are so good to know English!!


#7842 From: Heike Uthmann <Heike@...>
Date: Fri Jul 3, 2009 2:58 pm
Subject: Re: Headlowering - a review of the original question!
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I now put some translation of the text in the video in the Videoinformation on the right side. 

greetings,
Heike


Am 03.07.2009 um 15:55 schrieb Jane Jackson:

!  Now I just need to learn how to read German....:)


#7843 From: Nick Foot <lists@...>
Date: Sat Jul 4, 2009 6:38 am
Subject: Re: Headlowering - a review of the original question!
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On Fri, 03 Jul 2009 12:59:24 -0000, you wrote:

>Before my thread I had only HL in the field. Yesterday I walked him down the
lane to the yard. We met a stallion in a cart on the way. Rannoch DID lower his
head but pinged it straight up again!...we clearly don't have HL with relaxtion
and duration and in any environment yet and probably won't for months to come!
However I'm taking one of the ideas that came up on the thread and starting to
incorporate HL in my everyday routines.

That's pretty normal. I find if I train it and get it solid under calm
conditions then when things are stressed it may turn into a little
dip, work at it a few times in the stressed situation and it gets
stronger under those conditions.

Nick



 
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