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HI all:

I keep Jodie at a friend's who has a lot of contacts in the serious
horse world around here...fox hunting, eventing, dressage, etc., and
she has told some of them about my clicker training with Jodie. (At
first my friend was suspicious of CT, but she's much more of a believer
now, especially now that Jodie's automatic "default" posture is
head-to-the-ground with a deep, relaxed sigh!) Evidently a few of
these riders/owners have asked her if it's possible to use the clicker
to help a horse get over a problem issue--holding up a foot for
farrier, loading, etc.--without adopting clicker training overall and
using it in all their interactions with their horses.

I told her I'm not sure since the training is an overall technique and
a philosophy, and that one thing leads to another and sometimes takes
you places you didn't expect and that you never start with your goal,
etc...all the lessons Alex has taught us. But I got to thinking...could
someone introduce the clicker properly to a horse (charge the clicker,
teach targeting, etc.), then work on one specific problem, fading out
the food reward over time? According to my friend, it's the idea of
carrying food around (especially at events and formal occasions) and
clicking for ALL training that's a big stumbling block for many.

I said I'd ask the list. I also told her that once people used the
clicker and saw their horse's reactions, they'd probably become clicker
advocates, but on the other hand we're dealing with an entrenched,
traditional, and sometimes snooty horse community. My concern that
people who don't do it right or aren't committed to carrying it through
could poison the whole concept.

Thanks for your thoughts. I will pass them on.

Kathy & Jodie




Tue May 13, 2008 11:52 am

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HI all: I keep Jodie at a friend's who has a lot of contacts in the serious horse world around here...fox hunting, eventing, dressage, etc., and she has told...
Kathryn Hollen
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May 13, 2008
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Hi Kathy, I've used CT, up 'til now anyway, purely on an as-needed basis. I taught one horse how to wear a blanket, taking it off and putting it on over his...
Laurie Higgins
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May 13, 2008
12:25 pm

... Hi Laurie: Oh, that's good to know. Do you feel you set up any expectations in the horse that he'd be clicked or treated in performing any other behaviors ...
Kathryn Hollen
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May 13, 2008
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Kathy, Looking back on it, I don't think I set the horses up for unmet expectations. But I might have. I definitely phased out CT for the blanket issue. When...
Laurie Higgins
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May 13, 2008
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... This is very helpful, Laurie. I'll pass it on. When I thought about it, I was convinced it could work for "spot" training, but wanted to be sure there was...
Kathryn Hollen
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May 13, 2008
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Hi Kathryn, I think there is a huge variation in how people use clicker training and it would be interesting to have some kind of numbers. I suspect there are...
Katie Bartlett
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May 13, 2008
2:31 pm

... Katie, you've expressed my basic concerns exactly. I know my friend "gets" it, because she's already a good horseperson and has seen me in action with...
Kathryn Hollen
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May 13, 2008
3:16 pm

Hi Kathryn, I am glad my reply was helpful. I think you brought up a good and important subject and I am glad that Laurie jumped in and shared her experiences...
Katie Bartlett
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May 13, 2008
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... Me too, although my contact with others is limited, but I expect that to pick up considerably now that I'm almost semi-retired and will be out and about...
Kathryn Hollen
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May 13, 2008
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"I would be curious to know other people's experiences sharing clicker training with friends and other horse people. And maybe even just how people on the list...
Dolores Arste
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May 13, 2008
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... I am a fairly recent convert from ³spot training² to .........lots of things but not everything? But I¹m still working on changing the mindset. With a...
Jane Jackson
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May 13, 2008
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Katie wrote: I would be curious to know other people's experiences sharing clicker training with friends and other horse people. And maybe even just how ...
M.Pitre
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May 13, 2008
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Katie knows my answers and my horses. Katie's prior very thoughtful, insightful, and deep answer to Kathryn's question pretty much said it all: It depends. ...
Laurie Higgins
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May 13, 2008
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**I find I don't convert people either. I certainly don't try anyway.** Likewise....as Laurie wrote, people have to be open to the concept before they can take...
Amanda
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May 14, 2008
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It is certainly possible to use clicker training selectively. I think the main thing the 'circumstantial' clickers will miss out on is the horse offering...
Cynthia Kiser
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May 13, 2008
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... Cynthia, I absolutely agree and have explained that to Mary, but I'm glad you pointed it out because it bears repeating. ... This is an excellent point. My...
Kathryn Hollen
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May 13, 2008
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HI all: I want to thank everybody who responded to my question about spot training. Not only did many of you make great suggestions and highlight important...
Kathryn Hollen
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May 14, 2008
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Hi Amanda, ... I too have been lucky to have found just such an instructor in the John Lyons-certified trainer who is now helping me with the riding lessons on...
Arlene
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May 16, 2008
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OK- now I¹m going to turn the tables: many of you have commented on finding (or not finding) instructors who are of varying degrees of helpfulness and ...
Jane Jackson
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May 16, 2008
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... Interesting twist to the original question, Jane. I'm looking forward to the responses. Kathy...
Kathryn Hollen
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May 16, 2008
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Hi Jane, I no longer teach, largely because of some of the frustrations you alluded to in your email. One thing that has become clear to me is that in order ...
Elaine
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May 16, 2008
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... Elaine, this is such an insightful and important point, and I think was one of my concerns when I first posed the question--clicker training is more than a...
Kathryn Hollen
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May 16, 2008
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Hi Elaine, I am just starting to do a bit of teaching (in person) and I am finding it is very difficult. There are so many things that can come into play and ...
Katie Bartlett
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May 17, 2008
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Hi Jane, I've taught the Instructors. I love working one on one. We always use a marker, we always use a reward. How we use it depends on the Instructor. It is...
Dolores Arste
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May 17, 2008
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... unless it isn't. right:) Thanks as always, Jane Vermont Re: [the_click_that_teaches] WAS "Spot" training with clicker, now instructors? On 5/17/08 10:20...
Jane Jackson
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May 18, 2008
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Hi Katie, I almost deleted this email before sending because it all sounds so introspective and mentally twisted, but maybe it will help someone to see what...
Elaine
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May 17, 2008
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I thought I'd jump in here even though I'm not a teacher or even a seasoned clicker trainer. I do have experience with what you describe below, Elaine. I had a...
Jennifer
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May 17, 2008
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... Jennifer, you have beautifully expressed the profound benefits of clicker training to both humans and horses. In my reply to Lottie, I tried to say...
Kathryn Hollen
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May 18, 2008
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Hi Elaine, Thanks for sharing by writing both your posts, the introspective one and the "everything is everything else" one. I am glad that you had time to...
Katie Bartlett
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