There was an article on wikipedia about Buza, but it was short and seems to
have been deleted. There was a website for a school in Russia, but it was in
Russian. It seemed to me that it was a Cossack origin RMA and also
incorporated dance. May have been the same thing that was shown on Go
Warrior when they went to Russia, after they finished the visit with
Vasiliev and Ryabko.

I also read recently that Spridinov (the guy who was probably the mastermind
behind the Systema we are all learning today) did include Buza - as well as
other RMAs - in the concepts of his "soft aki like" Sambo or "Samoz" (which
is arguably the root of Systema).

I have also seen "the wave" thing on youtube, and the movement definitely
resembles some of the principles of Systema.

But as Jay said, Systema is really it's own beast now.

M.

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>After doing a little more digging around the art shown on that video
>was said to be a compilation of RMA's and some eastern things...at
>least someone said that. So I guess it isn't pure "buza". Does the
>original Buza use wave motions something like that?
>Thanks for the info,
>
>--- In systema_group@yahoogroups.com, "Jay Bell" <daimudan@...> wrote:
> >
> > It's sort of a tricky answer. Buza was one of the components in the
> > creation of Systema, like many of the old Russian ethnic
>traditions. Back
> > when I was active, we often played with concepts of Buza to seat
>them in on
> > a more comfortable level.
> >
> > This is not to say that pieces of Buza found in Systema are done in
>the same
> > way as their original form. Systema is it's own beast today.
> >
> >
> > On 1/7/08, Sharon Friedman <ransuru@...> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hello and happy new year to everyone.
> > >
> > > I think buzo is forest warrior as I have seen in other Russian MA
> > > seminars and there is also Siberian warrior and many more. It is
>not
> > > Systema though.
> > >
> > > all the best, Sharon
> > > Systema Israel.
> > > Our last video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OOjJsroNkhI
> > >
> > > --- In systema_group@yahoogroups.com <systema_group%
>40yahoogroups.com>,
> > > "rkxyz" <rklingberg@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Hi,
> > > >
> > > > The video bears a resemblance to Systema but I don't know what
>it is -
> > > > nor what 'buza' or 'wave system' is, sorry.
> > > >
> > > > You can read about the history of Systema here
> > > > http://www.russianmartialart.com/main.php?page=history It's
>based on
> > > > traditional Russian martial arts as well as Soviet Cold War
>research.
> > > >
> > > > Sorry I can't tell you any more.
> > > >
> > > > *Vsego nailuchshego* (best wishes),
> > > > Rachel
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- In systema_group@yahoogroups.com <systema_group%
>40yahoogroups.com>,
> > > "recshooter" <recshooter@>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Is this video showing what is termed "buza"(sp)
> > > > > >
> > > > > > As I understand it Ryabko Systema is a collection of various
> > > > Russian
> > > > > > arts...is that correct? Is this vid one of the arts that
>makes up
> > > > > > Systema or do I have it all wrong?
> > > > > >http://youtube.com/watch?v=jRGQIoagHWU
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Signum Pacis Amor
> >
>
>