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Re: [systema_group] Sword work and martial arts: how to begin

That's somewhat of a tough idea. The primary school of thought for me
was Kukishin ryu Happo Bikenjutsu. The type of training involved was
something that Sharon was pointing to. Somehow, the tone however,
came across as "if you're different, you're wrong". The same type of
thinking that has been disproven time and again by Systema's
"unorthodox" ways.

So to give an answer in a not-so-helpful way....you should learn sword
exactly how you're being shown to, if that makes sense.


On Wed, 5 Jan 2005 11:27:28 -0800 (PST), Rachel Klingberg
<rkxyz@...> wrote:
>
> Hello,
> Since we have two members who have studied sword arts,
> what would you say is the best way for a novice to
> begin such a study?
> We were not aiming for battle readiness with our
> swords, by the way. We were just having fun in our
> holiday class. But we do often use knives and staffs
> and most of the time, being a class of civilians,
> we're having a lot of fun with those, too. Practice is
> usually fun and I would describe at least one of my
> teachers as downright jovial. Playfulness encouraged
> with Systema training and it's often mentioned in the
> Guidebook.
> Well, I'm just curious as to how a beginner should
> learn to wield a sword within the context of Systema
> training. I asked a samurai sword-master who teaches
> at our school and he just replied that he thought
> everything mentioned in the Guidebook was sound
> advice. He was somewhat vague about it, though,
> whereas he usually speaks his mind if he disagrees
> with a Systema concept.
> Thanks for your messages,
> Rachel
>
> --- Jay Bell <daimudan@...> wrote:
>
> > Sharon,
> >
> > I too came from a Japanese budo background, Bujinkan
> > Taijutsu and
> > Shinto Muso ryu Jo. I'd have to *strongly* disagree
> > with your
> > assumption, however. I'm left wondering...what
> > exactly the point was
> > of your post?
> >
> > Any clarification would be not overlooked.
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Jay
> >
> >
> > On Wed, 05 Jan 2005 11:44:35 -0000, Sharon Friedman
> > <ransuru@...> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > Good day to all,
> > >
> > > I am a student of the Japanese martial arts and
> > especially of the
> > > sword based arts of Korindo Aikido and jujitsu. I
> > feel that you are
> > > denied a few truths by the casual way you are
> > introduced to tools such
> > > as staffs, knives and swords. Tools are very
> > important to the student
> > > and they teach us a lot about their proper use and
> > expand our view
> > > concerning distance, speed, timing, balance and
> > all. Having practiced
> > > with Boken and Jo and some real edged weapons in a
> > few martial
> > > settings, I generalize the outcome of fun practice
> > as delusional in
> > > terms of survival progress. It is useful to play
> > fight without
> > > knowledge or guides but the progress will seldom
> > flow to battle
> > > readiness without learning technique and diligent
> > practice. The
> > > technique does not replace the man but it is a
> > tool to reach greater
> > > awareness and knowledge and eventually freedom
> > from all structure will
> > > arrive (I am still waiting). One has to focus a
> > lot of effort to
> > > reach high goals as self and tool efficiency and
> > free work is not
> > > enough to hone the self alone.
> > >
> > > Cheers, Sharon Friedman.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Yahoo! Groups Links
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
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> >
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Wed Jan 5, 2005 7:33 pm

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Good day to all, I am a student of the Japanese martial arts and especially of the sword based arts of Korindo Aikido and jujitsu. I feel that you are denied a...
Sharon Friedman
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Jan 5, 2005
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Sharon, I too came from a Japanese budo background, Bujinkan Taijutsu and Shinto Muso ryu Jo. I'd have to *strongly* disagree with your assumption, however....
Jay Bell
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Jan 5, 2005
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Hello, Since we have two members who have studied sword arts, what would you say is the best way for a novice to begin such a study? We were not aiming for...
Rachel Klingberg
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Jan 5, 2005
7:27 pm

That's somewhat of a tough idea. The primary school of thought for me was Kukishin ryu Happo Bikenjutsu. The type of training involved was something that...
Jay Bell
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Jan 5, 2005
7:33 pm

Hi, Sharon! Are you saying that sword work(or wearpons work in general) in Systema should be approached differently than "empty hand" work? My understanding...
Igor
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Jan 5, 2005
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