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Hi everyone,

I have decided to start posting a little history of the Chinese weapons and weapons from other countries.

I would laos like to invite anyone else who has some history of different weapons to please post what they have, as I for one am always looking for more history.

Thos who practice the Chinese arts, please feel free to add to the history(of these weapons) I post, as it is short, and you may have more info, that goes for everyone else also.

Thanks,

Tae

DR. Deborah R. Williams
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#7692

From: Michael L Werth <mwerth@...>
Date: Tue Mar 20, 2007 10:53 pm
Subject: Native Martial Arts

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Sincerely,

Michael

Hi Ej,

The Native Americans taught such things as Knife, Bow and Arrow, and in some cases even stealth, and even the Indian Stick ball was a way of teachign survival. However, it was tuaght to the braves as they grew up, more than in a strict class setting. The techniques could be seen in some dances like the ones befroe a war, or befroe a hunting party went out.

As you probably know by now, the Native Americans will have a good dance for many tings, celebrations, ceremoniies, and the such, and although some are just dances, alot still have much menaing behind them.

Peace,
Tae

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#7691

From: Michael L Werth <mwerth@...>
Date: Tue Mar 20, 2007 10:50 pm
Subject: Morality - Family Protection

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Hi Tae!

I agree with you and what EJ said about Guns and Ducks. Every action that I teach in my art has a moral purpose and a set of moral "options". Some of the moral options may include severely injuring or taking the life of the opponent, which we take very seriously.

I do not consider martial arts to be "for fun", or just an exercise, or just a cool way to be "in business", or for any other extraneous reason. I consider martial arts training to be for the moral (+physical, mental, spiritual) development of the practitioner, to develop true leadership skills, and to build society for the greater good. I think that all martial arts practices originated for the protection of the family (what could be more moral than family protection?), and that the physical, mental, and spiritual benefits of such practices were only discovered after the fact.

Now many martial arts are successfully marketed and sold as exercise programs up front. I probably have a word or two about that on my website, but no one really ever joins for that reason, and if they do, they don't stick around too long because it's work. Maybe it's time to change that on the web site. People who try to join us for any ego based reason like improving their waistline or learning to kick butt never stick around long in in our martial arts. They can't handle it because you must face the truth about yourself to go far in our practice.

To say that morality is unnecessary is ridiculous. Why study martial arts if you're not interested in morality? You could just play soccer and get in much better athletic shape or go hang out with some ducks with guns and shoot at the geese.

Sincerely,

Michael

Hi Michael,

The teachers I am talking aobut, no longer think morality is important in the martial arts. They say that it is no longer needed, which is something I do not agree with in any way.

So maybe that is our new philosophical discussion. Wheterh or not morality even palys a partin the arts and why. What do you think?
Peace,
Tae

#7690

From: Donna Grant <dragonskindesigns@...>
Date: Tue Mar 20, 2007 4:44 pm
Subject: Re: Morality

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Hi all,

Morality is an interesting subject, because it is not black or white....or as simple as good and evil. My opinion, The action itself is not good or bad. The morality exists in the intention behind it.

Let's take a simple scenario of a gun (oh geez...I know....not intended to start a thread on guns, trust me).

But if I have a gun in my hand, and I shoot my friend. Good or Bad?

What if it were an accident (I am unfamiliar with guns and I didn't know it was loaded...as so often happens with kids)? Good or Bad

What if my friend were beating up his girlfriend or in the process of killing someone else. Good or Bad?

What if he were in pain and begged me to kill him? Good or Bad?

The gun, or the shooting of the gun is not the moral part....it is the intention - and even among intentions, whether I consider it good or bad, or the people around me consider it good or bad...all depends on culture, up bringing, religion, etc.

So....whether you want to or not, if you teach martial arts, you are, in fact, teaching your version of morality. Even if you don't talk about about morals, students inevitably watch your actions and mimic what you do. They watch what you condone on the mat, and then take that into their teachings. This is true with kids and adults alike.

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#7689

From: "Sensei J. Richard Kirkham B.Sc" <tutor2000@...>
Date: Tue Mar 20, 2007 3:37 am
Subject: Re: [Sunday Brunch Aikido Club II] Native Martial Arts

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The Mari dances are still very war like

Rick

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Sent: Monday, March 19, 2007 5:00:52 PM
Subject: Re: [Sunday Brunch Aikido Club II] Native Martial Arts

Hi Ej,

The Native Americans taught such things as Knife, Bow and Arrow, and in some cases even stealth, and even the Indian Stick ball was a way of teachign survival. However, it was tuaght to the braves as they grew up, more than in a strict class setting. The techniques could be seen in some dances like the ones befroe a war, or befroe a hunting party went out.

As you probably know by now, the Native Americans will have a good dance for many tings, celebrations, ceremoniies, and the such, and although some are just dances, alot still have much menaing behind them.

Peace,

Tae

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#7688

From: "Prof. D.R. Williams" <taesujutsu@...>
Date: Tue Mar 20, 2007 3:00 am
Subject: Re: [Sunday Brunch Aikido Club II] Native Martial Arts

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Hi Ej,

Peace,

Tae

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#7687

From: ejwagneresq
Date: Tue Mar 20, 2007 12:22 am
Subject: Re: [Sunday Brunch Aikido Club II] Morality

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Not to make light of a serious topic, but I remember a cartoon some
years ago showing ducks robbing a bank with the caption reading
something like "why you should never give a gun to ducks."  Teaching
martial arts without including the morality of how to use what is
taught is, to my mind, similar to giving a gun to ducks.

#7686

From: "Prof. D.R. Williams" <taesujutsu@...>
Date: Mon Mar 19, 2007 8:14 pm
Subject: Re: [Sunday Brunch Aikido Club II] Morality

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Hi Michael,

The teachers I am talking aobut, no longer think morality is important in the martial arts. They say that it is no longer needed, which is something I do not agree with in any way.

So maybe that is our new philosophical discussion.

Wheterh or not morality even palys a partin the arts and why. What do you think?

Peace,

Tae

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#7685

From: Michael L Werth <mwerth@...>
Date: Mon Mar 19, 2007 7:26 pm
Subject: Morality

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Hi Tae:

I think that morality is the awareness or sense of right actions that a person thinks about or makes. Martial arts instruction should be filled with options and choices of what to do and when to do it. Therefore, martial arts instruction should be moral. Whether or not a student can follow the teacher's instructions, or whether or not the instructor has any knowledge of moral options, may be the topic of discussion that you're after.

Sincerely,

Michael

#7684

From: ejwagneresq
Date: Mon Mar 19, 2007 3:28 pm
Subject: Re: [Sunday Brunch Aikido Club II] Native Martial Arts

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Sorry about that.  In Canada "Native" refers to Indians, First
Nations Peoples, or whatever term you prefer.  In the US, it would be
Native Americans.

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> Subject: [Sunday Brunch Aikido Club II] Native Martial Arts
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> Tae, most cultures have some form of systematized (sp?) fighting, be
> it judo or fencing or Greek wrestling.  I imagine the use of spears,
> clubs, axes, etc. was not just left to chance, but I have never
heard
> tell of any Native cultures actually systematizing the use of
weapons
> and open handed fighting.  Have you ever heard of any Native
forms?
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#7683

From: "Sensei J. Richard Kirkham B.Sc" <tutor2000@...>
Date: Sun Mar 18, 2007 10:54 pm
Subject: Re: [Sunday Brunch Aikido Club II] Native Martial Arts

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Lua is one of the most realistic combative arts I've had the pleasure of
attending a seminar for. It's definitely kept it's battle tradition. As far as
forms, that is where the hula dance originally came from

Rick

  [taesujutsu@...] wrote:
He is talking about the Native people of the Americas and other places, like the
Cherokee, and Navajo, and the Natives of Hawaii.

   I ma short on time this morning, but I do know that although it might not be
in a "form" version that the Tsalgi(Cherokee), did have a way of fighting that
they taught..I am sure that the Native Hawaiiams did also.

   I will be back later to give my view on it.

   Peace,
   Tae

"Sensei J. Richard Kirkham B.Sc" <tutor2000@...> wrote:
   Define native

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Subject: [Sunday Brunch Aikido Club II] Native Martial Arts


Tae, most cultures have some form of systematized (sp?) fighting, be
it judo or fencing or Greek wrestling. I imagine the use of spears,
clubs, axes, etc. was not just left to chance, but I have never heard
tell of any Native cultures actually systematizing the use of weapons
and open handed fighting. Have you ever heard of any Native forms?





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Tae Su Jutsu
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Board memeber-Network of Martial Arts(NOMA)
Memeber-International Black Dragon Kung-fu Society of Healing and Combat Arts

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#7682

From: "Prof. D.R. Williams" <taesujutsu@...>
Date: Sun Mar 18, 2007 12:28 pm
Subject: Re: [Sunday Brunch Aikido Club II] Native Martial Arts

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He is talking about the Native people of the Americas and other places, like the Cherokee, and Navajo, and the Natives of Hawaii.

I ma short on time this morning, but I do know that although it might not be in a "form" version that the Tsalgi(Cherokee), did have a way of fighting that they taught..I am sure that the Native Hawaiiams did also.

I will be back later to give my view on it.

Peace,

Tae

"Sensei J. Richard Kirkham B.Sc" <tutor2000@...> wrote:

Define native

Rick

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Subject: [Sunday Brunch Aikido Club II] Native Martial Arts

Tae, most cultures have some form of systematized (sp?) fighting, be
it judo or fencing or Greek wrestling. I imagine the use of spears,
clubs, axes, etc. was not just left to chance, but I have never heard
tell of any Native cultures actually systematizing the use of weapons
and open handed fighting. Have you ever heard of any Native forms?

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#7681

From: "Sensei J. Richard Kirkham B.Sc" <tutor2000@...>
Date: Sun Mar 18, 2007 9:23 am
Subject: Re: [Sunday Brunch Aikido Club II] Native Martial Arts

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Subject: [Sunday Brunch Aikido Club II] Native Martial Arts


Tae, most cultures have some form of systematized (sp?) fighting, be
it judo or fencing or Greek wrestling.  I imagine the use of spears,
clubs, axes, etc. was not just left to chance, but I have never heard
tell of any Native cultures actually systematizing the use of weapons
and open handed fighting.  Have you ever heard of any Native forms?





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Date: Sun Mar 18, 2007 10:17 am
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#7679

From: ejwagneresq
Date: Sun Mar 18, 2007 5:27 am
Subject: Native Martial Arts

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Tae, most cultures have some form of systematized (sp?) fighting, be
it judo or fencing or Greek wrestling.  I imagine the use of spears,
clubs, axes, etc. was not just left to chance, but I have never heard
tell of any Native cultures actually systematizing the use of weapons
and open handed fighting.  Have you ever heard of any Native forms?

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#7678

From: ejwagneresq
Date: Sun Mar 18, 2007 5:24 am
Subject: Re: Morality

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Tae, I think morality should be a part of everything we do, so
naturally it should be a part of martial arts.  It may be a cheesy
comparison, but Darth Vader is a pretty good picture of martial arts
without morality.  Just imagine someone with highly developed fighting
skills but no idea when to use them, when not to use them, etc.  I
guess you don't have to do much imagining.  Just go down to your local
jail.

#7677

From: "Dr. Deborah R. Williams" <taesujutsu@...>
Date: Sat Mar 17, 2007 11:16 pm
Subject: Morality

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Do you think maorality should play a part in the martial arts?

I know on some groups, it is the thought, that it really doesn't
matter anymore.
however, I think it should still be a part of everyday training, and
life.  So what do you all think?

Peace,
Tae

#7676

From: "Sensei J. Richard Kirkham B.Sc" <tutor2000@...>
Date: Fri Mar 16, 2007 10:17 pm
Subject: Re: [Sunday Brunch Aikido Club II] Re: Misogi - Purify for Right Action

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Rick

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Sent: Friday, March 16, 2007 2:04:41 AM
Subject: [Sunday Brunch Aikido Club II] Re: Misogi - Purify for Right Action

:~). I used to dread the cutting, actually.....and I had one sensei who did 1000 cuts, on his own, several times a week (and I used to think he was crazy!). But, now, I'm doing around 1000 on a once a week basis, and it is not so bad....

(although I do not do those cuts for misogi....well, maybe I do....but I take a page from the Forza training, and use a little music to keep me motivated and moving,

#7675

From: Donna Grant <dragonskindesigns@...>
Date: Fri Mar 16, 2007 12:04 pm
Subject: Re: Misogi - Purify for Right Action

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In our dojo, we do 1000 bokken cuts on the first practice of the New
Year.  The cuts are done in a circle, and each person counts....if the
person across the circle from you starts to drag, you are supposed to
send them your energy.

This is a symbolic act of cutting away the past, entering into the New
Year....and I consider it a form of Misogi.

Before the cuts begin, we also clean the dojo in silence, and have a
short sitting meditation session.

DG

#7672

From: "Prof. D.R. Williams" <taesujutsu@...>
Date: Mon Mar 12, 2007 8:33 pm
Subject: Re: [Sunday Brunch Aikido Club II] Re: Misogi - Purify for Right Action

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Hi Ej, and Michael,

My understadning of Misogi(yes guys I have heard of it)

. Is taht it is alot like the act of PURGING. A ritual which pruges the imprfection form the spirit.

I could be wrong, but I understand it that way. I am still working on some answers for Michaels, post. Philosophy here we come...yea!!!!!!!!!

Peace,

tae

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#7671

From: ejwagneresq
Date: Mon Mar 12, 2007 3:48 pm
Subject: Re: Misogi - Purify for Right Action

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I think Misogi must be a ritualised (sp?) and special undertaking in
order to separate it from the general day to day "right living" to
which one ordinarily aspires.  Misogi, as I understand it, involves a
shock to the system and requires great discipline and concentration.
If we blend Misogi into the daily routine, it loses this characteristic.

#7670

From: Michael L Werth <mwerth@...>
Date: Sun Mar 11, 2007 3:11 pm
Subject: Misogi - Purify for Right Action

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http://www.shinbudokai.org/sbk/seminar.html

Hi EJ!

I think that training for black belt over an extended period of months or years is a form of Misogi in that we purify our minds, bodies, and spirits through committed and sincere training. However, I believe that most cultures would consider a purification ceremony to be very ritualized and organized. If you are able to describe in general, your trip up the mountain without giving up any confidences, that would be wonderful to hear more about it!

On this web page is a quick description of the origin of Misogi:

Is there a way to do Misogi in the way of living life in general? Wouldn't we always seek to purify ourselves and work to think for right action, feel for right action, and perform right action? Do we need a special ceremony to be purified (please don't take this as discounting the value of Misogi rituals), or can we just work to live that way? What do you all think?

Sincerely,

Michael

<< Has anyone here done Misogi or something similar? I have not, but
thought it would be an interesting topic.

Recently, an Elder from the Cowichan Band asked me to come with him up
the mountain for a bath ceremony. It is, I think, similar to Misogi.
I'll let you all hear about this when I have more to report, though the
details may be something I have to keep to myself because the
traditional culture is not always something one is allowed to make
public. >>

#7669

From: ejwagneresq
Date: Sat Mar 10, 2007 4:48 pm
Subject: Misogi

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Has anyone here done Misogi or something similar?  I have not, but
thought it would be an interesting topic.

Recently, an Elder from the Cowichan Band asked me to come with him up
the mountain for a bath ceremony.  It is, I think, similar to Misogi.
I'll let you all hear about this when I have more to report, though the
details may be something I have to keep to myself because the
traditional culture is not always something one is allowed to make
public.

#7668

From: ejwagneresq
Date: Thu Mar 8, 2007 6:08 am
Subject: Re: [Sunday Brunch Aikido Club II] Getting Back in the Saddle

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I use the bokken and the jo, with the bokken to help me work on focus
and power and the jo to help me work on fluidity and flexibility.
That's not to say that both do not have elements of both, but those
are the predominant "personalities" as I see it.  Lately, I have been
working on quick direction changes with the jo, such as when a block
in one direction changes quickly to a tsuki in another direction and
then into a cut in a third direction.  The idea is to do each move
completely, but move seamlessly into the other move, keeping in mind
that the energy in jo can go in more than one direction.  That bounces
the energy around in my shoulders pretty nicely as well as wearing out
the lawn in the side yard.

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> Hi Michael,
>
>   LOL, I don't use weights.  I use the bokken.    I have had so much
back trouble, I have to watch the weights.  the bokken is a good way
to ease back into anything, and the cuts will strengthen also.
>
>   Peace,
>   tae
>

#7667

From: "Prof. D.R. Williams" <taesujutsu@...>
Date: Wed Mar 7, 2007 3:08 am
Subject: Re: [Sunday Brunch Aikido Club II] Getting Back in the Saddle

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Hi Michael,

LOL, I don't use weights. I use the bokken. I have had so much back trouble, I have to watch the weights. the bokken is a good way to ease back into anything, and the cuts will strengthen also.

Peace,

tae

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#7666

From: Michael L Werth <mwerth@...>
Date: Wed Mar 7, 2007 12:54 am
Subject: Getting Back in the Saddle

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Hi EJ!

Thank you for posting. Along with everyone else said, I recommend you continue your light weight training to keep yourself tuned up. Modern athletes all use weight training of some type to enhance their performance and to recover from injury faster. The light weight training that you used to get yourself back on the mat can be done once or twice per week to keep you on the mat.

Good luck!

Sincerely,

Michael

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Main Street Martial Arts, Inc.

#7665

From: Michael L Werth <mwerth@...>
Date: Tue Mar 6, 2007 3:26 am
Subject: Re%3AYoga Poll

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Hi Everyone:

How's it going out there? Winter is battling to stay in force here in Rhode Island while spring winds its way in to seize control. We're having a bit of a wind storm here tonight and the temperature will drop to 17 degrees F.

Looks like my Yoga Poll email post was cut off. I suppose that HTML style messages are finally allowed to the club, but get cut off if they're too big. Talk to you all soon.

Sincerely,

Michael

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#7664

From: "Sensei J. Richard Kirkham B.Sc" <tutor2000@...>
Date: Mon Mar 5, 2007 10:07 pm
Subject: Re: [Sunday Brunch Aikido Club II] Getting Back in the Saddle

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Sounds good

Since your timing with a partner may also be slightly off I'd recommend slow
speed then medium for both your safety and your partner's

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Subject: [Sunday Brunch Aikido Club II] Getting Back in the Saddle


I have been off the mat for various reasons during most of the past
year, during which time I have done very little in terms of vigorous
physical activity.  What are your thoughts on how best to return to
action?

So far, I have been doing very light weights and weapons on my own and
can now go full speed without pain.  My plan is to go to the dojo and
just do it, but concentrate on being soft and receiving / directing
energy as best I can as opposed to focusing on the other person's
body.





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