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best strat-o-matic throwing arm rating ever?   Message List  
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Re: [SPAM] [Stratmat] best strat-o-matic throwing arm rating ever?

I was thinking the same thing, remembering some Barfield cards from the
past, I believe he and others have a -5 over the years. I didn't see
Clemente in person, but watched him on TV and I felt his strong arm was
as much due to his positioning and momentum - a true ballplayer. I do
believe there have been guys who have had stronger arms, and guys who
have stronger stats, but Clemente throwing home was really a -9 in my
book. I think I have a "Bobby Clemente" baseball card in my collection
somewhere...

tinman wrote:
>
> Also, a bad year for him was -5.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: tinman
> To: stratmat@yahoogroups.com <mailto:stratmat%40yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Sunday, December 23, 2007 10:58 PM
> Subject: Re: [SPAM] [Stratmat] best strat-o-matic throwing arm rating
> ever?
>
> I play in a retro league (currently 1970) and this conversation stream
> spurred me to contact strat.
>
> Here is their one sentence answer.
>
> "The game only supports -5 as a maximum rating, there is no such thing
> as a -6. That is just Steve being Steve.....
> SOM"
>
> So don't start changing your ratings, throwing arm is very subjective.
> Mays had great arm and some -5's, Colavito was there once or twice,
> and I think dave parker and Furillo. Although Mays and Colavito are
> the only ones who may have been Roberto's equal. It seems some of
> Clemente's reputation stems from his having retained a great arm for
> longer than most.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: John Christie
> To: stratmat@yahoogroups.com <mailto:stratmat%40yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Sunday, December 23, 2007 4:49 PM
> Subject: RE: [SPAM] [Stratmat] best strat-o-matic throwing arm rating
> ever?
>
> I think this was Hal's way of playing tribute to Clemente. He is the only
> player ever to get a -6 arm.
>
> From: stratmat@yahoogroups.com <mailto:stratmat%40yahoogroups.com>
> [mailto:stratmat@yahoogroups.com <mailto:stratmat%40yahoogroups.com>]
> On Behalf
> Of Eric Lutzker
> Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2007 5:45 PM
> To: stratmat@yahoogroups.com <mailto:stratmat%40yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: [SPAM] [Stratmat] best strat-o-matic throwing arm rating ever?
>
> i recently got the '71 cards that they just last year redid for
> super-advanced and looking at the pirates i see that roberto clemente's
> arm is a -6. now i don't remember seeing anything better than a -5
> before (am i just remembering poorly). i guess if anyone deserves it it
> is clemente. so how about it? has strat ever assigned anyone a -7? and
> has anyone else ever gotten a -6. would anyone ever try to send a
> runner on this guy? thanks, e
>
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i recently got the '71 cards that they just last year redid for super-advanced and looking at the pirates i see that roberto clemente's arm is a -6. now i...
Eric Lutzker
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Dec 20, 2007
11:45 pm

... Hi Eric, I bought the super-advanced 1971 set early this year, but I haven't opened it yet, so I was surprised to hear that Clemente is a -6 on the set. He...
Gary Kirchherr
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Dec 21, 2007
1:28 am

Hmm, what's the fastest running rating you've ever seen? A 1-17 only have a .55 chance of taking the extra base against Clemente. If the run expectancy of...
Wesley Hinkle
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Dec 21, 2007
4:50 am

This topic came up a while back over at the StratFanForum. Clemente is rated -6 from 1960 through 1965. All other seasons he was rated -5 except for his...
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Dec 21, 2007
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Dean, your saying that Bobby Clemente should have a -6 from 55 to 72 ? Are these arm ratings based on statistical evidence, subjectivity or intimidation?...
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Dec 21, 2007
10:45 pm

They're based on Steve Barkan saying so. He's the guy who creates the cards. What he said, and I'm paraphrasing because it's been months since I read it, was...
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dean76gp
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Dec 22, 2007
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Dean, Alright, Barkan has intimidated me into taking the extra base & making him all -6. Did you at least like my tribute to the Gunner. Howie...
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stratovarious1
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Dec 22, 2007
2:04 am

Tribute to the Gunner? I missed that one. Run it by me again. I loved that guy. He made me a baseball fan. -- Dean Amrhein. Sarcastic cynic by profession. ...
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Dec 22, 2007
4:14 am

Dean, who else called #21 Bobby?...
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stratovarious1
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Dec 22, 2007
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That's right! Remember his old baseball cards, the Topps ones? They always called him Bob. To call him anything but Roberto now seems sacrilegious. BTW, my...
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dean76gp
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Dec 22, 2007
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Dean, shouldn't he be a piratephysicist?...
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stratovarious1
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Dec 22, 2007
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I think this was Hal's way of playing tribute to Clemente. He is the only player ever to get a -6 arm. From: stratmat@yahoogroups.com...
John Christie
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Dec 23, 2007
8:51 pm

I play in a retro league (currently 1970) and this conversation stream spurred me to contact strat. Here is their one sentence answer. "The game only supports...
tinman
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Dec 24, 2007
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... Now wait a minute. If Strat were saying not to change *existing* ratings, I could understand that. But how can a game-company spokesman say "there is no...
Gary Kirchherr
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Dec 24, 2007
7:09 am

Merry Christmas everyone. What is printed on the card is what is printed on the card and that says -6 on Clemente 1970 card. There are not going to be any...
John Christie
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Dec 24, 2007
1:42 pm

Also, a bad year for him was -5. ... From: tinman To: stratmat@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, December 23, 2007 10:58 PM Subject: Re: [SPAM] [Stratmat] best...
tinman
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Dec 24, 2007
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I was thinking the same thing, remembering some Barfield cards from the past, I believe he and others have a -5 over the years. I didn't see Clemente in...
Christopher R. Johnson
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Dec 24, 2007
5:29 am

Steve Barkan an anonymous company hack? Don't you know who he is? He's the guy who does all the research and creates all the baseball cards. That's been his...
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Dec 24, 2007
8:32 pm

I tried to get Strat to clarify their 1st response. This still isn't completely clear (below) but it seems to indicate we should leave ratings as they are. ...
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Dec 24, 2007
9:29 pm

... No, no, no. Re-read Tinman's post, No. 510. The "hack" I was referring to was the company spokesman who told Tinman that "there is no such thing as a -6"...
Gary Kirchherr
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Dec 25, 2007
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The computer can recognize a -6 arm. I don't know where that story originated. -- Dean Amrhein. Sarcastic cynic by profession. ... From: "Gary Kirchherr"...
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Dec 25, 2007
4:38 am

Hey, I play the board game, and I lost some pitcher batting cards, so if you could send me pictures of #s 1-6, my dad and I would really be thankful. Thanks, ...
Nick Ciolli
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