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Bad reviewing of statistics in one of our journals   Message List  
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We've all been victims of bad reviewing, but I would like to share a
particularly egregious example that someone has just shared with me, from a
paper rejected by the Scandinavian Journal of Medicine and Science in
Sports. The author has given me permission to send this one to the list:

"The statistical evaluation is too comprehensive and should be restricted to
only include the two-way repeated measures ANOVA and perhaps a student
T-test to compare mean values. Having conclusions like a 'possible' higher
pulmonary oxygen uptake does not make sense."

The author was using the approach of magnitude-based inferences that Alan
Batterham and I have been promoting and that is one of the key issues in the
article on progressive statistics in the January issue of MSSE. The extent
to which this reviewer's comment was a factor in the rejection is unclear,
but my guess is that it was important.

Repeated-measures ANOVA is definitely past its use-by date: it is plagued by
the missing-value problem, it gives the wrong p values with some designs,
and it does not properly account for different sources of variation and
error. I'm a great fan of the t statistic, but it needs to be used to make
probabilistic statements about true values, not to test a null hypothesis.
And I find it particularly disappointing that a reviewer considers that the
use of "possible" in an inference about an outcome does not make sense.

I will forward this message to Michael Kjaer, the editor of SJMSS, in the
hope that he will encourage some upskilling with this reviewer and any
others with similar old-fashioned ideas.

Hopkins WG, Marshall SW, Batterham AM, Hanin J (2009). Progressive
statistics for studies in sports medicine and exercise science.
Medicine and Science in Sports and Exercise 41, 3-12

Will
Will G Hopkins, PhD FACSM
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We've all been victims of bad reviewing, but I would like to share a particularly egregious example that someone has just shared with me, from a paper rejected...
Will Hopkins
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Aug 27, 2009
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Will, How much do you think that this is just bad reviewing/misunderstanding about magnitude based inferences, and how much comes down to not knowing what is...
Louise Burke
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Aug 31, 2009
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First up, on the review, while we can't say from the information provided whether the science was not up to scratch, the reviewer's comments are totally out of...
Rowlands, David
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Sep 1, 2009
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My impression of the medical sciences is that effect sizes is a poor alternative to using minimal important differences. Effect sizes were used much more often...
Ian Shrier
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Sep 2, 2009
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I've already had one message from a colleague who has got the wrong idea as a result of the message Dave Rowlands just posted, so I have to clarify it. Dave...
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