o problem with the different plots. If you want
a plot for each distance, then I can just plot the
race time instead of the per mile pace. Actually,
better yet, it would be easy to have the primary y-axis
be race time and the secondary y-axis (the right
axis) be race pace.

orry, Jeff, no time for a reply. I'm too busy
trying to project my Race for the Cure time to a flat
course race with 60 F starting temperature and 20%
reduction in cloud cover. Mike, have you got the latest
cloud cover reduction factors?

YI ...<br><br>27 club members ran this year (at
least, that's how many turned in times). Out of those,
14 ran this race last year, and out of those, 10
improved on their 1997 times. Not too shabby ...

'm still working on it. It's taking a while due
to the number of races. I'll just enter the road
races (track races and ultras are a whole different
ball game) for now. Is there any chance you could
generate a different plot for each <br>distance? It might
make it look a bit cleaner (in<br>my case,
anyway).<br>Thanks!

igit heads?  Guys, are we gonna take this? (I<br>mean the non-digit heads, of
course ...) We're<br>just students of the sport (sound familiar?).<br><br>C'mon,
Mikey and Dave.  Help me out here !

respectfully disagree with Doggie that the Race
for the Cure was a bad choice for a club race. It was
a bad choice for getting a P.R. and the crowds made
it tough to get in and out of there. But I was moved
by the numerous cancer survivors and friends/family
of those afflicted with breast cancer. It kind of
put things in perspective and gave me a nice chance
to pause and count my blessings for myself and
(especially) my family. I know this sounds trite, but really
we should all be thankful to be able to "run free";
you never know when that could be taken away from
you.

eff (or anyone else),<br><br>If you enter your
race results on my Excel spreadsheet, I'll make sure
all the results get translated to per mile pace and
re-do the chart (plot) for you. If you have Excel 97,
make sure you add comments to any races that do not
correspond to one of the distances on the race results data
worksheet.<br><br>P.S. Note to Molly: Sorry about the digit talk. By the
way, I'm not sure if running or my two kids made me
"abnormal." Perhaps I should seek help.

f anybody logs on and reads our most recent
messages, they're all going to think that we're a bunch of
geek digit heads (except they won't think Doggie is).
<br><br>So for visitors to this club, most we're really not
like that. It's just that the digit heads are over
represented on this page. Most of our club members are normal
people who enjoy running. So if you live in or will be
visiting the Southern California/Orange County areas and
are looking for some fun people to run with, check
out our website at www.roadrunners.org. Don't be put
off by all the messages about split times - and feel
free to join the Yahoo Club and introduce new and
different running topics.<br><br>W're really a fun group!

y question is ... who's the co-worker who "runs
sub 2:30 marathons on a regular basis"? Anybody I
know? Just curious ...<br><br>By the way, I heard
DeCastro had company at least thru the first half. Second
place was 2:07:20 -- not too shabby either.

think Bill Bowerman would have suggested that
he could have gone faster had he run more evenly.
That's what scares me - Densimo did it right and was
dead even all the way. Just think what this guy would
have accomplished had he not gone out at such a
'pedestrian' pace. Say, 2:00 faster [1:02:42] and come back at
1:02:42 - He'd have run 2:05:24, and probably still
turned a cartwheel!

.K. you guys are WAY too into computing splits.
This guy's race "strategy" is pretty obvious- go balls
to the wall. That being said, I think the most
depressing statistic Mike came up with was figuring this
guy's 400m split- 72 seconds. My fastest 400m ever was
71 seconds, and I had to take to my bed to recover.
I think these guys should be DNA tested to
determine what species they belong to.<br><br> DOGGIE

ow! That's fast! Thanks for breaking in down,
Mike, so that I could feel slow on so many levels. This
is only this guy's second marathon according to
Runner's World - his first at Berlin last year at 2:09.07.
That's quite an improvement over one year, especially at
that level.<br><br>Also, I guess he proved again, that
going out slower than your eventual average is the way
to go. He ran the first half six seconds per mile
slower than his overall race average and 16 seconds
slower than his second half! Talk about negative
splits.<br><br>In a comparison of his 5K splits to Densimo's, he
was slower on a per 5K basis and cumulatively until
after 30K.<br><br>Wow!

egular basis and closely follows all the elites says
he's heard of this guy, but he's really come out of
nowhere to break the record. Did a bunch of runners run
with this guy for the first half or more of the race?

ust heard Flo Jo passed away of an apparent heart attack at age 38.  I guess she
had a recent history of heart problems ... but it was WAY before her time.

oly cow? I'd never heard of this guy Da Costa
before [not like Densimo is a household name, either].
But how do you run 1:04:42 on the way out [4:56.1
pace]and then come back in 1:01:23 [4:40.9]? What's up
with that?<br><br>That's 14:33 for each of the last
four 5Ks,<br>29:06 for each of the last two 10Ks, and
58:12 for the last 20k. That's riduculous!<br><br>I
know Berlin is a world-class marathon, but I wonder if
the splits are right.<br><br>Either way, he AVERAGED
4:48.5 per mile for the whole way.<br><br>That's 105,
count'em 105 400s in just over 72 seconds each. Mind
Boggling.

ould you send me your spreadsheet, too?  I'm<br>working on some ideas for
calculators to put on<br>the website that people might be interested
in.<br><br>Thanks,<br><br>  -- jeff

've actually created a log in Excel as well, and
have built several reports. Currently, I'm working on
just the "running log" sheets, and am planning to
build a sheet for races and for track
workouts.<br><br>Excel's PivotTable function allows me to produce "top
ten" lists of performances on a given course, say, the
"Winter 8".<br><br>I'd email it to you, but it's huge.
After the bulk data entry is complete, I might import
the data into Access because it is quicker at
manipulating data, whereas I find Excel faster for editing and
entering data.<br><br>Perhaps you could send me your
spreadsheet and I can see what I can incporporate into my
"race" sheet.

wrote an Excel spreadsheet that is a race log;
it has the name of the race, date, and finish times
for a variety of distances. I calculate pace for each
race, and then plot my race pace versus date, with each
race distance getting a curve. If you'd like I can
e-mail you my spreadsheet and you can replace my race
data with yours---perhaps you can even improve upon
the format and then send it back to me so I can
improve mine.

have a disk with the running log program I mentioned along with the manual
ready to give to you. As soon as I make it to a run, and if you are there too, I
can deliver.<br><br>Ron

rust me when I tell you, I would have rather
been hydrating at DNF. Melissa and I spend the entire
weekend getting her classroom ready for the start of
school this week. Oh, the life of a teacher's husband...

ikie, what happened, you loser? Laura was
terribly disappointed when she realized you weren't going
to drag your butt there. I even brought my running
program to give to you, but you WEREN'T there! We will
try to recover somehow...

use "The Athelete's Diary" by Steven's
Creek<br>Software. I'm in the process of transcribing<br>17 years
worth of training logs, and I'm only<br>back as far 1s
'92! You can download a demo copy<br>off of their
website. (Not sure what the URL is,<br>but it should be
easy to find.) Or, you can bop<br>over when I get my
new monster to see for <br>yourself!

ince Excel now can properly handle time calculations [such as figuring out
average pace], I've begun to build a log in Excel and use its PivotTable
function to create reports and keep lists.

ike, I have also tried several. One I like I
think is no longer made or available, so I think no one
would mind my giving you a copy of. It is pretty basic,
which is what I like, allowing storing of courses that
you repeat, and generating a variety of reports and
graphs. I will have to get the name tonight and get back
to you.

ell, it looks like we're going into the race
business again. Although without the financial and
fund-raising responsibilities, it should be a lot
better.<br><br>I know it will be a lot of work, but if we all get
involved, it should be worth it.

oes anyone have any suggestions about training
log software? I've tried several and haven't really
liked them. I'm currently working on building the
"Mother of all Spreadsheets" in Excel, but I bet there
are better tools.

pulled a muscle in my right calf during a track
meet in July, and have just about been cleared to
train again. However, I can still feel some soreness
after I run. Anyone got any suggestions for
strengthening or stretching it? I don't want this thing to turn
into a bigger problem than it is.

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