Richard Godwin is working on Southend United's seasons to 1920.  Richard has
written to ask me if I have any details or publications on the following that
would help his quest. I don't, but maybe someone out there does.  Richard's
search takes in:

Southern League 18906-07 to 1919-20
South-eastern League
Southern Counties Charity Cup 1909-10 to 1912-13
Southern Alliance League 1911-12 to 1913-14
United League 1907-08 to 1908-09.

I will happily relay messages back to Richard.

Regards, Tony

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Message Received: Nov 23 2009, 07:25 PM
From: "d.c.a. mulcahy"
To: soccerdatauk@yahoogroups.com
Cc:
Subject: [soccerdatauk] High Scoring Home Games

 

Obviously this was a good weekend to be a Spurs supporter. However I
think I can say without any bias, that since the Second World War
Tottenham have a reputation for being involved in high scoring games.

In Bill Nicholson's very first game as manager on October 11, 1958
Spurs beat Everton 10-4, in what may be the best debut by any English
manager.

Including that game over the past 51 years, White Hart Lane has
witnessed sixteen games, league, domestic cups or Europe, with nine or
more goals. (See the list below).

While it is not typically the sort of statistic compiled, does anyone
know of any other English team which can come close to sixteen home
games with nine or more goals scored in the last 51 or so years?

Sat Oct 11, 1958 Div 1 Everton 6-1 10-4
Wed Feb 3, 1960 FAC4R Crewe Alexandra 10-1 13-2
Wed Sep 20, 1961 ECP.2 Gornik Zabrze 5-1 8-1
Sat Sep 29, 1962 Div 1 Nottingham Forest 9-2
Mon Apr 15, 1963 Div 1 Liverpool 3-1 7-2
Sat Apr 4, 1964 Div 1 Ipswich Town 4-1 6-3
Sat Mar 27, 1965 Div 1 Wolverhampton W 1-1 7-4
Sat Mar 19, 1966 Div 1 Aston Villa 4-1 5-5
Wed Sep 25, 1968 LC3 Exeter City 6-3
Tue Sep 28, 1971 UEFA1.2 Keflavik 4-0 9-0
Wed Dec 3, 1975 LC5 Doncaster Rovers2-1 7-2
Sat Oct 22, 1977 Div 2 Bristol Rovers 3-0 9-0
Sat Mar 11, 2000 Prem Southampton 4-2 7-2
Sat Nov 13, 2004 Prem Arsenal 1-1 4-5
Sat Dec 29, 2007 Prem Reading 1-1 6-4
Sun Nov 22, 2009 Prem Wigan Athletic 1-0 9-1

regards

d.c.a. (declan) mulcahy

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Message Received: Nov 23 2009, 07:25 PM
From: "d.c.a. mulcahy"
To: soccerdatauk@yahoogroups.com
Cc:
Subject: [soccerdatauk] High Scoring Home Games

 

Obviously this was a good weekend to be a Spurs supporter. However I
think I can say without any bias, that since the Second World War
Tottenham have a reputation for being involved in high scoring games.

In Bill Nicholson's very first game as manager on October 11, 1958
Spurs beat Everton 10-4, in what may be the best debut by any English
manager.

Including that game over the past 51 years, White Hart Lane has
witnessed sixteen games, league, domestic cups or Europe, with nine or
more goals. (See the list below).

While it is not typically the sort of statistic compiled, does anyone
know of any other English team which can come close to sixteen home
games with nine or more goals scored in the last 51 or so years?

Sat Oct 11, 1958 Div 1 Everton 6-1 10-4
Wed Feb 3, 1960 FAC4R Crewe Alexandra 10-1 13-2
Wed Sep 20, 1961 ECP.2 Gornik Zabrze 5-1 8-1
Sat Sep 29, 1962 Div 1 Nottingham Forest 9-2
Mon Apr 15, 1963 Div 1 Liverpool 3-1 7-2
Sat Apr 4, 1964 Div 1 Ipswich Town 4-1 6-3
Sat Mar 27, 1965 Div 1 Wolverhampton W 1-1 7-4
Sat Mar 19, 1966 Div 1 Aston Villa 4-1 5-5
Wed Sep 25, 1968 LC3 Exeter City 6-3
Tue Sep 28, 1971 UEFA1.2 Keflavik 4-0 9-0
Wed Dec 3, 1975 LC5 Doncaster Rovers2-1 7-2
Sat Oct 22, 1977 Div 2 Bristol Rovers 3-0 9-0
Sat Mar 11, 2000 Prem Southampton 4-2 7-2
Sat Nov 13, 2004 Prem Arsenal 1-1 4-5
Sat Dec 29, 2007 Prem Reading 1-1 6-4
Sun Nov 22, 2009 Prem Wigan Athletic 1-0 9-1

regards

d.c.a. (declan) mulcahy

Obviously this was a good weekend to be a Spurs supporter. However I
think I can say without any bias, that since the Second World War
Tottenham have a reputation for being involved in high scoring games.

In Bill Nicholson's very first game as manager on October 11, 1958
Spurs beat Everton 10-4, in what may be the best debut by any English
manager.

Including that game over the past 51 years, White Hart Lane has
witnessed sixteen games, league, domestic cups or Europe, with nine or
more goals. (See the list below).

While it is not typically the sort of statistic compiled, does anyone
know of any other English team which can come close to sixteen home
games with nine or more goals scored in the last 51 or so years?

Sat Oct 11, 1958 Div 1 Everton  6-1 10-4
Wed Feb 3, 1960 FAC4R Crewe Alexandra 10-1 13-2
Wed Sep 20, 1961 ECP.2 Gornik Zabrze 5-1 8-1
Sat Sep 29, 1962 Div 1 Nottingham Forest 9-2
Mon Apr 15, 1963 Div 1 Liverpool 3-1 7-2
Sat Apr 4, 1964 Div 1 Ipswich Town 4-1 6-3
Sat Mar 27, 1965 Div 1 Wolverhampton W 1-1 7-4
Sat Mar 19, 1966 Div 1 Aston Villa 4-1 5-5
Wed Sep 25, 1968 LC3 Exeter City  6-3
Tue Sep 28, 1971 UEFA1.2 Keflavik 4-0 9-0
Wed Dec 3, 1975 LC5 Doncaster Rovers2-1 7-2
Sat Oct 22, 1977 Div 2 Bristol Rovers 3-0 9-0
Sat Mar 11, 2000 Prem Southampton  4-2 7-2
Sat Nov 13, 2004 Prem Arsenal  1-1 4-5
Sat Dec 29, 2007 Prem Reading  1-1 6-4
Sun Nov 22, 2009 Prem Wigan Athletic 1-0 9-1

regards

d.c.a. (declan) mulcahy

Right, things are up and running on google docs.  To see the spreadsheet you
will need a google account.  It's some time since I opened mine, but I don't
recall any problems.  Once done, please email me at soccer@... to
register your interest.  I will then issue an "invitation" which I beileve you
will see when you log in to google docs.  Accept that, and you should be in
business. (I find I can only issue the invitation if you have a google account).

The spreadsheet proper is followed by guidance notes and a task list, which we
can fill in as we go along.

Have fun!

Regards, Tony



--- In soccerdatauk@yahoogroups.com, "soccerdatauk" <soccer@...> wrote:
>
> Some of you will have noticed a distinct lack of progress with this project. 
It just doesn't work very well with yahoo's database, due to problems posting to
it and the limitation on size.  It looks far more sensible to set the database
up as a Google "docs" spreadsheet, which will allow anyone to update the
database.  I think I have to give you permission first, so please email me at
soccer@... if you'd like to be involved.
>
> Once I'm sure I understand how 'docs' works I'll mail again.
>
> Regards, Tony
>
>
>
>
> --- In soccerdatauk@yahoogroups.com, "soccerdatauk" <soccer@> wrote:
> >
> > To see the fledgling databases, you should be able to click on the
"database" label in the box on the left of the soccerdatauk home page (not the
soccerdata.com website, though I plan to add pages to the web site later to add
more details on the evolution of the laws of the game and the players involved).
> >
> > The yahoo database limits me to 10 fields, which are currently set to
season, competition, date, home club, score, away club, score, ground, and
notes, leaving one spare.  The version on my computer has more fields of course,
including the player names.  However, there's a good deal of work still to do on
the names before it's ready to be published - by including club matches as well
as FA Cup games I'm hoping to iron out differences in spelling and other obvious
errors.
> >
> > I'm interested to hear of the work you've done in collating Sheffield
football.  If you'd like to add your findings to the yahoo database that will be
good; I haven't tried a 'bulk input' yet, but it looks a simple matter to
convert my existing data to a comma delimited format, whence it can be sucked
into the yahoo database.  The big advantage to this approach is that anyone can
add to the database; I haven't got the technology to allow this to happen on
soccerdata.com.
> >
> > There's an issue of 'copyright' and 'intellectual property' of course. 
Speaking for myself, I'll be pleased to see a 'fixtures, results and dates'
database in the public domain, even if the full database of scorers and line-ups
is retained for private use.  My data is "fairly" comprehensive for "association
rules in the London area to 1874" thanks to Bell's Life and some extracts from
"Field".  I have little on Sheffield-rules fixtures though imagine there was
more activity in the 1860s than in London.  Yes, we should state the rules
adopted when known, and someday I'll try to establish exactly what "Nottingham
Rules" were! I'm happy to make the tenth field "code followed".
> >
> > My FA Cup data to 1888 is comprehensive, with Keith Richards and others
kindly been combing Field and Sportsman for more details.  However, I have done
little work on 'other games' in the period 1877 to 1888, largely because (as you
will appreciate) of the big upswing in the number of games played.  Certainly,
by 1885 or so, we probably need to be in a "match by match" type of format for
the leading clubs.  In the upcoming weeks I'll post "what I've got" for this
period and perhaps others in the group will be happy to join in.
> >
> > Regards, Tony
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In soccerdatauk@yahoogroups.com, "bty958590" <i.nannestad@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Tony
> > >
> > > What fields are you using already? One possibility would be to give
details of the type of association code played: London, Sheffield, Scottish or
other (which will usually be a local code). That will provide a better picture
of the extent of the Sheffield code and whether it was more popular than the
London code. I have details of games under Sheffield rules stretching from
Birmingham in the south to Middlesbrough in the north and across to Grimsby (but
not on the other side of the Pennines).
> > >
> > > Ian Nannestad
> > >
> >
>

Some of you will have noticed a distinct lack of progress with this project.  It
just doesn't work very well with yahoo's database, due to problems posting to it
and the limitation on size.  It looks far more sensible to set the database up
as a Google "docs" spreadsheet, which will allow anyone to update the database. 
I think I have to give you permission first, so please email me at
soccer@... if you'd like to be involved.

Once I'm sure I understand how 'docs' works I'll mail again.

Regards, Tony




--- In soccerdatauk@yahoogroups.com, "soccerdatauk" <soccer@...> wrote:
>
> To see the fledgling databases, you should be able to click on the "database"
label in the box on the left of the soccerdatauk home page (not the
soccerdata.com website, though I plan to add pages to the web site later to add
more details on the evolution of the laws of the game and the players involved).
>
> The yahoo database limits me to 10 fields, which are currently set to season,
competition, date, home club, score, away club, score, ground, and notes,
leaving one spare.  The version on my computer has more fields of course,
including the player names.  However, there's a good deal of work still to do on
the names before it's ready to be published - by including club matches as well
as FA Cup games I'm hoping to iron out differences in spelling and other obvious
errors.
>
> I'm interested to hear of the work you've done in collating Sheffield
football.  If you'd like to add your findings to the yahoo database that will be
good; I haven't tried a 'bulk input' yet, but it looks a simple matter to
convert my existing data to a comma delimited format, whence it can be sucked
into the yahoo database.  The big advantage to this approach is that anyone can
add to the database; I haven't got the technology to allow this to happen on
soccerdata.com.
>
> There's an issue of 'copyright' and 'intellectual property' of course. 
Speaking for myself, I'll be pleased to see a 'fixtures, results and dates'
database in the public domain, even if the full database of scorers and line-ups
is retained for private use.  My data is "fairly" comprehensive for "association
rules in the London area to 1874" thanks to Bell's Life and some extracts from
"Field".  I have little on Sheffield-rules fixtures though imagine there was
more activity in the 1860s than in London.  Yes, we should state the rules
adopted when known, and someday I'll try to establish exactly what "Nottingham
Rules" were! I'm happy to make the tenth field "code followed".
>
> My FA Cup data to 1888 is comprehensive, with Keith Richards and others kindly
been combing Field and Sportsman for more details.  However, I have done little
work on 'other games' in the period 1877 to 1888, largely because (as you will
appreciate) of the big upswing in the number of games played.  Certainly, by
1885 or so, we probably need to be in a "match by match" type of format for the
leading clubs.  In the upcoming weeks I'll post "what I've got" for this period
and perhaps others in the group will be happy to join in.
>
> Regards, Tony
>
>
>
>
> --- In soccerdatauk@yahoogroups.com, "bty958590" <i.nannestad@> wrote:
> >
> > Tony
> >
> > What fields are you using already? One possibility would be to give details
of the type of association code played: London, Sheffield, Scottish or other
(which will usually be a local code). That will provide a better picture of the
extent of the Sheffield code and whether it was more popular than the London
code. I have details of games under Sheffield rules stretching from Birmingham
in the south to Middlesbrough in the north and across to Grimsby (but not on the
other side of the Pennines).
> >
> > Ian Nannestad
> >
>

There's an interesting website dedicated to the non-League game, Non-League
Football Matters which is a football history information site about non-League
soccer in the North of England: www.nonleaguematters.net



And in a similar vein, this one's worth a look as well:
www.nonleaguetables.co.uk

This is an attempt to work out the top 5 crowds at CCTV matches in England &
Scotland. I'd be interested in any comments/amendments:

1. 43177 at Ibrox, 9 April 1968: Leeds v Rangers (Fairs Cup, QF)
2. 40149 at Anfield, 11 March 1967: Everton v Liverpool (FAC, R5)
3. 28060 at Old Trafford, 3 March 1967: Arsenal v Man Utd (FL-Div 1)
4. 27245 at Old Trafford, 5 October 1977: Man Utd v St Etienne (Cup Winners Cup,
R1, 2nd leg) - the match was played at Home Park, Plymouth
5. 22500 at Old Trafford, 23 April 1969: AC Milan v Man Utd (European Cup, SF,
1st leg)

Coventry had another game shown later in 1965-66 (at Charlton). They also had a
game at Newcastle relayed back to Highfield Road in 1993-94 season. I can supply
more details if required.

Regards

Jim

--- In soccerdatauk@yahoogroups.com, "bty958590" <i.nannestad@...> wrote:
>
> I'm looking to compile a list of CCTV matches from the period 1965 to the
1980s and would be interested to know of games which were shown either on large
screens at grounds or in local cinemas. The first of these was the Cardiff vs
Coventry game in Oct 1965 which was transmitted to large screens at Highfield
Road, but there were several others including a Millwall game at Oldham in
65-66, Man U at Arsenal in 66-67 and some European games. Any information will
be of interest.
>
> Ian Nannestad
>