I am after some help with a wartime picture sent to me by the son of Alec
Smith who played one game for Liverpool before the war.

I have posted it on the Yahoo site

http://sports.ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/soccerdatauk/photos/browse/5aae?c=

It is probably an army team from the war but someone may know more.

There are a couple of faces that look a little familiar. Back row second
from left looks a little like Billy Smith of Huddersfield fame, and front
row far right bears a similarity to his ex-Huddersfield teammate Tommy
Wilson. However both would have been in their 40s by the war so it is
unlikely to be them. Then again the kit looks a little too old to be in
WW2 - maybe the pic was taken in the 1930s?

Any ideas?

Jim Brown
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I've posted this on behalf of Frank Holt;
<frankholt@...>

>I wonder if you may be able to answer a question regarding F.A. Cup
Medals.
>
>Yesterday Rob Bishop took a photograph of 88 year old Eddie Weston
whose father, Tommy, won F.A. Cup Winners' Medals with Villa in 1913
and 1920.
>
>Tommy was photographed with his dad's 1913 English Cup Winners medal.
>
>In The Guinness Record of the FA Cup, under FA Cup Trivia (3) Mike
Collett includes a paragraph - "Medals Mix-Ups In 1914 the Cup Final
medals bore the inscription 'English Cup' instead of 'FA Cup' due to
a mistake when they were minted."
>
>As Tommy Weston's medal was presented in 1913 bearing the
inscription 'English Cup' do you think Mike Collett made a mistake
regarding the year the mistake was made or do you think the error
occurred more than once, or was it normal for Medals to be
inscribed "English Cup."
>
>I would appreciate your thoughts, please.

Denis

 

Can you provide me with the following Portsmouth - Forest attendances

7th November 1925  (est. 5,000)

20th March 1926  (est. 15,000)

25 Dec. 1926 (est. 20,000)

27 Dec. (actual 30,616) 

I have estimated numbers only 

 

Cheers

Ken Smales

----- Original Message ----
From: Denis <den.oshea@talk21.com>
To: soccerdatauk@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, 4 June, 2007 4:54:58 PM
Subject: [soccerdatauk] Re: Attendances

I might be a bit of a Johnny come lately to this group, but if you
have any difficulties tracking down pre war pompey attendances give
me a shout.
Incidentally I would like to know what the largest official
Div2,Div3, Div3N, Div3S and Division4 attendances are if poss.
Cheers
DEN


--- In soccerdatauk@ yahoogroups. com, "Steve Rowland" <steve-
debbie@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Gil
>
> Sorry I don't have that one. Would you be able to help with
Tranmere attendacnes I need?
> These are the matches I need:
>
> 1921-22 A Nelson
> 1932-33 H Darlington
> 1932-33 H Halifax Town
> 1932-33 H Rotherham United
> 1932-33 H Walsall
> 1932-33 A Rotherham United
> 1960-61 H Grimsby Town
> 1960-61 A Brentford
> 1960-61 A Grimsby Town
> 1960-61 A Shrewsbury Town
> 1961-62 H Darlington
> 1961-62 A Workington
> 1962-63 H Gillingham
> 1962-63 H Workington
> 1962-63 A Newport County
> 1962-63 A Workington
> 1963-64 H Gillingham
> 1963-64 H Workington
> 1963-64 A Workington
> 1964-65 A Newport County
> 1965-66 H Bradford Park Avenue
> 1965-66 H Darlington
> 1965-66 H Halifax Town
> 1965-66 H Newport County
> 1965-66 H Torquay United
> 1965-66 A Newport County
> 1966-67 H Brentford
> 1966-67 H Halifax Town
> 1966-67 H Newport County
> 1966-67 H Port Vale
> 1967-68 H Bournemouth
> 1967-68 H Bristol Rovers
> 1967-68 H Bury
> 1967-68 H Leyton Orient
> 1967-68 H Scunthorpe United
> 1967-68 H Shrewsbury Town
> 1967-68 H Torquay United
> 1967-68 H Watford
> 1967-68 A Leyton Orient
> 1967-68 A Scunthorpe United
> 1967-68 A Shrewsbury Town
> 1967-68 A Watford
> 1968-69 H Bristol Rovers
> 1968-69 H Orient
> 1968-69 H Rotherham United
> 1968-69 H Shrewsbury Town
> 1968-69 H Torquay United
> 1968-69 H Walsall
> 1968-69 H Watford
>
>
> Thanks in advance
>
> Steve
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: uptonga
> To: soccerdatauk@ yahoogroups. com
> Sent: Saturday, November 11, 2006 10:09 PM
> Subject: [soccerdatauk] Re: AttendancesG
>
>
> Hi Steve
>
> Do you have the attendance for Nelson v Tranmere Rovers on
Saturday
> 6 May 1922 by any chance? I have searched high and low for it
> without success - the only unknown Tranmere FL attendance. If you
> have it, what's the source, please?
>
> Gil Upton
>
> --- In soccerdatauk@ yahoogroups. com, "broooooooce" <steve-
> debbie@> wrote:
> >
> > I now have 99.27% of all Football League attendances in my
> database,
> > but I still need quite a number of pre 1st World War matches.
> > If anyone can help, I need attendances for a number of ex League
> > clubs, and also, Notts County, Sheff Wed, Port Vale, Barnsley,
> > Grimsby, Chesterfield, Blackpool, Bolton, Burnley, Preston,
> > Lincoln, Stockport.
> > Most of these I just need a few matches
> >
> > Any help would be very gratefully appreciated, and my thanks
again
> to
> > those people who have alrady helped me
> >
> > Steve
> >
>

---

Yahoo! Answers - Got a question? Someone out there knows the answer. Try it now.

I might be a bit of a Johnny come lately to this group, but if you
have any difficulties tracking down pre war pompey attendances give
me a shout.
Incidentally I would like to know what the largest official
Div2,Div3, Div3N, Div3S and Division4 attendances are if poss.
Cheers
DEN


--- In soccerdatauk@yahoogroups.com, "Steve Rowland" <steve-
debbie@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Gil
>
> Sorry I don't have that one. Would you be able to help with
Tranmere attendacnes I need?
> These are the matches I need:
>
>       1921-22 A Nelson
>       1932-33 H Darlington
>       1932-33 H Halifax Town
>       1932-33 H Rotherham United
>       1932-33 H Walsall
>       1932-33 A Rotherham United
>       1960-61 H Grimsby Town
>       1960-61 A Brentford
>       1960-61 A Grimsby Town
>       1960-61 A Shrewsbury Town
>       1961-62 H Darlington
>       1961-62 A Workington
>       1962-63 H Gillingham
>       1962-63 H Workington
>       1962-63 A Newport County
>       1962-63 A Workington
>       1963-64 H Gillingham
>       1963-64 H Workington
>       1963-64 A Workington
>       1964-65 A Newport County
>       1965-66 H Bradford Park Avenue
>       1965-66 H Darlington
>       1965-66 H Halifax Town
>       1965-66 H Newport County
>       1965-66 H Torquay United
>       1965-66 A Newport County
>       1966-67 H Brentford
>       1966-67 H Halifax Town
>       1966-67 H Newport County
>       1966-67 H Port Vale
>       1967-68 H Bournemouth
>       1967-68 H Bristol Rovers
>       1967-68 H Bury
>       1967-68 H Leyton Orient
>       1967-68 H Scunthorpe United
>       1967-68 H Shrewsbury Town
>       1967-68 H Torquay United
>       1967-68 H Watford
>       1967-68 A Leyton Orient
>       1967-68 A Scunthorpe United
>       1967-68 A Shrewsbury Town
>       1967-68 A Watford
>       1968-69 H Bristol Rovers
>       1968-69 H Orient
>       1968-69 H Rotherham United
>       1968-69 H Shrewsbury Town
>       1968-69 H Torquay United
>       1968-69 H Walsall
>       1968-69 H Watford
>
>
> Thanks in advance
>
> Steve
>
>
>
>   ----- Original Message -----
>   From: uptonga
>   To: soccerdatauk@yahoogroups.com
>   Sent: Saturday, November 11, 2006 10:09 PM
>   Subject: [soccerdatauk] Re: AttendancesG
>
>
>   Hi Steve
>
>   Do you have the attendance for Nelson v Tranmere Rovers on
Saturday
>   6 May 1922 by any chance? I have searched high and low for it
>   without success - the only unknown Tranmere FL attendance. If you
>   have it, what's the source, please?
>
>   Gil Upton
>
>   --- In soccerdatauk@yahoogroups.com, "broooooooce" <steve-
>   debbie@> wrote:
>   >
>   > I now have 99.27% of all Football League attendances in my
>   database,
>   > but I still need quite a number of pre 1st World War matches.
>   > If anyone can help, I need attendances for a number of ex League
>   > clubs, and also, Notts County, Sheff Wed, Port Vale, Barnsley,
>   > Grimsby, Chesterfield, Blackpool, Bolton, Burnley, Preston,
>   > Lincoln, Stockport.
>   > Most of these I just need a few matches
>   >
>   > Any help would be very gratefully appreciated, and my thanks
again
>   to
>   > those people who have alrady helped me
>   >
>   > Steve
>   >
>

I have been asked to recognise the attached team. I think it was taken at
Gigg Lane sometime in the 1950s but it isn't Bury.

Any ideas?

Jim Brown

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11:40

I am trying to compile a set of tables for the Highland League. I have
found all of them except the following.If your club played in the
Highland League during these seasons, could you please look at your
records to see if you have any tables or results that you could let me
have. Any help would be gratefully excepted.
1897-8 any tables or results after 26 feb,
1898-9 any tables or results after 31 march,
1899-1900 any tables or results after 27 jan,
1907-8 any tables or results after 7 december,
1900-1, 01-2, 12-13 any tables or results.
Many thanks in advance
Bob

There's a booklet of tables 1911-2006 published by Bob Perkins.

Email bobperkins259@...

Gil Upton

The AFS published a book that contains every Central League and
Football Combination table up to 1985. Although its loooong out of
print, some copies surface on ebay and amazon from time to time. I
got  copy only last month from the former in perfect condition.

Brian

www.geocities.com/br1anmccoll
Scottish Football History website

--- In soccerdatauk@yahoogroups.com, "johnwilson1206"
<johnwilson1206@...> wrote:
>
>
> I don't know of any single source of all the tables but certainly
> before 1920 there were many first teams playing in the Central
League
> and I have found many tables in books covering the club histories
of
> Port Vale, Rochdale, Tranmere, Crewe etc. Also take a look at the
> excellent footballsite.co.uk where there are a number of Central
> League tables of that era.
>
> Happy Hunting
>
> John
>
>
>
>
> --- In soccerdatauk@yahoogroups.com, "steve flanagan"
> <steve.flanagan@> wrote:
> >
> > Does anyone know is there is an archive of Central League/Pontins
> League
> > final tables available anywhere - either on the internet or in a
> > publication?
> >
> > Many thanks in advance
> >
> > Steve Flanagan
> >
>

I don't know of any single source of all the tables but certainly
before 1920 there were many first teams playing in the Central League
and I have found many tables in books covering the club histories of
Port Vale, Rochdale, Tranmere, Crewe etc. Also take a look at the
excellent footballsite.co.uk where there are a number of Central
League tables of that era.

Happy Hunting

John




--- In soccerdatauk@yahoogroups.com, "steve flanagan"
<steve.flanagan@...> wrote:
>
> Does anyone know is there is an archive of Central League/Pontins
League
> final tables available anywhere - either on the internet or in a
> publication?
>
> Many thanks in advance
>
> Steve Flanagan
>

--- In soccerdatauk@yahoogroups.com, "br1anmccoll" <br1anmccoll@...>
wrote:
>
Thanks Brian - great site, but I already have the final tables. What I
need is the actual results. I have many of them, but there are still
quite a few missing, especially from towards the end of the seasons,
when the programmes don't record them.
Martin

> --- In soccerdatauk@yahoogroups.com, "mebrodetsky" <martin@> wrote:
> >
> > Does anyone know of an online resource for Metropolitan League
> > results, especially during the 1950s. I'm trying to compile a databank
> > of Headington United games to sit on my website
> > (www.rageonline.co.uk), but there are a number of games that I'm
> missing.
> >
> > Any help gratefully received.
> > Thanks
> >
>
>
> Try THIS link ====== http://www.nonleaguetables.co.uk/lt.html ==== , it
> has final tables for most non-League competitions
> from 1945 to 1980, including the Metropolitan League
>
> Brian
> www.geocities. com/br1anmccoll
>

--- In soccerdatauk@yahoogroups.com, "mebrodetsky" <martin@...> wrote:
>
> Does anyone know of an online resource for Metropolitan League
> results, especially during the 1950s. I'm trying to compile a databank
> of Headington United games to sit on my website
> (www.rageonline.co.uk), but there are a number of games that I'm
missing.
>
> Any help gratefully received.
> Thanks
>


Try THIS link ====== http://www.nonleaguetables.co.uk/lt.html ==== , it
has final tables for most non-League competitions
from 1945 to 1980, including the Metropolitan League

Brian
www.geocities. com/br1anmccoll

--- In soccerdatauk@yahoogroups.com, "mebrodetsky" <martin@...> wrote:
>
> Does anyone know of an online resource for Metropolitan League
> results, especially during the 1950s. I'm trying to compile a databank
> of Headington United games to sit on my website
> (www.rageonline.co.uk), but there are a number of games that I'm
missing.
>
> Any help gratefully received.
> Thanks
>


Try this link, it has final tables for most non-League competitions
from 1945 to 1980, including the Metropolitan League

Brian

www.geocities.com/br1anmccoll

Does anyone know of an online resource for Metropolitan League
results, especially during the 1950s. I'm trying to compile a databank
of Headington United games to sit on my website
(www.rageonline.co.uk), but there are a number of games that I'm missing.

Any help gratefully received.
Thanks

Stockport County - reminds me.

On 2 April 1957, Edgeley Park was the venue for one of a short-lived
annual series of games between the Northern and Southern Sections of FL
Division 3.

Does anyone know who the referee was? Not reported in the local press
and I've never come across the programme.

Many thanks,

Gil Upton

Could I ask a question of the august membership please?

Stockport County set a new record earlier in the season of winning 9
League matches on the trot without conceding a goal. The previous
record was 'long standing' but I can't find out who held the record
previously and when it was set. Can anyone help please?


Regards

John

At 11:07 11/05/2007 -0000, you wrote:
>I've just discovered and joined this group, only to find that there's
>been no activity since January. Have I missed the boat? Story of my life!
>

No, not dead, but seemingly sleeping.  Though I started the group, I've been
a bit too busy earning a living to act as moderator or instigate new lines
of enquiry.  I feel it's up to the group itself to generate things.  Maybe
the group needs a bit more "promotion".

Best wishes, Tony

I've just discovered and joined this group, only to find that there's
been no activity since January. Have I missed the boat? Story of my life!

-----Original Message-----
From: soccerdatauk@yahoogroups.com [mailto:soccerdatauk@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of mjoyce3012
Sent: 18 January 2007 00:15
To: soccerdatauk@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [soccerdatauk] Re: Harry Topping

Much of what has been documented about Harry Topping has been confused by the fact that there was more than player of the same name. Many sources identify two players. While working on Barry Hugman's Football League Players' Records 1946-2005 we discovered, with the help of photographic evidence supplied by Derek Hyde, that there were in fact three of them! Not only that they were all full backs, they were all born in Lancashire in a seven year period and two of them played for New Brighton at different periods. In fact these two also formed the full back partnership for Stockport County in several wartime matches in 1941-42.

Untangling the evidence we have these players:

Henry Topping

Born Manchester 27/10/1908. Died 1977.

United Glassblowers

Horwich RMI

Manchester United 1932-34 12 apps 1 goal

Barnsley1935 14 apps 2 goals

Macclesfield

Manchester North End

Wigan Athletic

Henry Topping

Born Kearsley 21/09/1913. Died 2001.

Trials with several League clubs.

Manchester City 1935 0 apps

Exeter City 1936 1 app

New Brighton 1938 5 apps

Stockport County – wartime matches

Bristol Rovers 1945 2 0 apps (but appeared in FA Cup)

Henry Westby Topping (not Westley)

Born Prescot 26/10/1915.

Rossendale United

Stockport County 1938-45 3 apps

New Brighton 1946-47 67 apps

Prescot Cables

Henry Westby Topping may still be alive; we were certainly unable to trace his death.

However it seems that the PSV coach in 1951-52 was the Kearsley born Harry Topping. He had coached Feyenoord the previous year. He was coach to Norwich City in their 1958-59 run to the FA Cup semi-final. I have seen a book commemorating this in which there is a section entitled `Harry Topping – he stands no nonsense' and a picture of the same man who appears pictured in 1938 on page 54 of the New Brighton Complete Record, and also in a 1945 Bristol Rovers team group. After leaving Norwich he coached Torquay United.

The Harry Topping in post-war New Brighton pictures is a different man, and is the same man in a 1938 Stockport photograph.

From this you will see that it seems that the Harry Topping who coached PSV died in 2001. Henry Westby Topping was granted a benefit match by Prescot Cables in April 1951, and therefore cannot have been coaching Feyenoord at the same time.

--- In soccerdatauk@yahoogroups.com, "Jim Brown" <jimrbrown@...> wrote:
>
> Hope someone can help me.
>
> I am friendly with the PSV Eindhoven historian. they are trying to trace all
> of their club's coaches for a special celebration.
>
> He wonders if Harry Topping is still alive. He was coach in 1951 (aged 37)
> so I wonder if he is the Henry Westley Topping in the record books as
> having been born 21/9/1913 in Kearsley and played for Man City, Exeter, New
> Brighton, Stockport and New Brighton again (after the war). However I have
> the New Brighton Breedon and there is no mention of him being a coach in
> Holland.
>
> Is this the same man?
>
> Is he still alive. If dead when did he die?
>
> Any info gratefully received.
>
> Jim Brown
> --
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>

Much of what has been documented about Harry Topping has been confused by the fact that there was more than player of the same name. Many sources identify two players. While working on Barry Hugman's Football League Players' Records 1946-2005 we discovered, with the help of photographic evidence supplied by Derek Hyde, that there were in fact three of them! Not only that they were all full backs, they were all born in Lancashire in a seven year period and two of them played for New Brighton at different periods. In fact these two also formed the full back partnership for Stockport County in several wartime matches in 1941-42.

Untangling the evidence we have these players:

Henry Topping

Born Manchester 27/10/1908. Died 1977.

United Glassblowers

Horwich RMI

Manchester United 1932-34 12 apps 1 goal

Barnsley1935 14 apps 2 goals

Macclesfield

Manchester North End

Wigan Athletic

Henry Topping

Born Kearsley 21/09/1913. Died 2001.

Trials with several League clubs.

Manchester City 1935 0 apps

Exeter City 1936 1 app

New Brighton 1938 5 apps

Stockport County – wartime matches

Bristol Rovers 1945 2 0 apps (but appeared in FA Cup)

Henry Westby Topping (not Westley)

Born Prescot 26/10/1915.

Rossendale United

Stockport County 1938-45 3 apps

New Brighton 1946-47 67 apps

Prescot Cables

Henry Westby Topping may still be alive; we were certainly unable to trace his death.

However it seems that the PSV coach in 1951-52 was the Kearsley born Harry Topping. He had coached Feyenoord the previous year. He was coach to Norwich City in their 1958-59 run to the FA Cup semi-final. I have seen a book commemorating this in which there is a section entitled `Harry Topping – he stands no nonsense' and a picture of the same man who appears pictured in 1938 on page 54 of the New Brighton Complete Record, and also in a 1945 Bristol Rovers team group. After leaving Norwich he coached Torquay United.

The Harry Topping in post-war New Brighton pictures is a different man, and is the same man in a 1938 Stockport photograph.

From this you will see that it seems that the Harry Topping who coached PSV died in 2001. Henry Westby Topping was granted a benefit match by Prescot Cables in April 1951, and therefore cannot have been coaching Feyenoord at the same time.

Hope someone can help me.

I am friendly with the PSV Eindhoven historian. they are trying to trace all
of their club's coaches for a special celebration.

He wonders if Harry Topping is still alive. He was coach in 1951 (aged 37)
so I wonder if he is the Henry Westley  Topping in the record books as
having been born 21/9/1913 in Kearsley and played for Man City, Exeter, New
Brighton, Stockport and New Brighton again (after the war). However I have
the New Brighton Breedon and there is no mention of him being a coach in
Holland.

Is this the same man?

Is he still alive. If dead when did he die?

Any info gratefully received.

Jim Brown
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