Right, things are up and running on google docs.  To see the spreadsheet you
will need a google account.  It's some time since I opened mine, but I don't
recall any problems.  Once done, please email me at soccer@... to
register your interest.  I will then issue an "invitation" which I beileve you
will see when you log in to google docs.  Accept that, and you should be in
business. (I find I can only issue the invitation if you have a google account).

The spreadsheet proper is followed by guidance notes and a task list, which we
can fill in as we go along.

Have fun!

Regards, Tony



--- In soccerdatauk@yahoogroups.com, "soccerdatauk" <soccer@...> wrote:
>
> Some of you will have noticed a distinct lack of progress with this project. 
It just doesn't work very well with yahoo's database, due to problems posting to
it and the limitation on size.  It looks far more sensible to set the database
up as a Google "docs" spreadsheet, which will allow anyone to update the
database.  I think I have to give you permission first, so please email me at
soccer@... if you'd like to be involved.
>
> Once I'm sure I understand how 'docs' works I'll mail again.
>
> Regards, Tony
>
>
>
>
> --- In soccerdatauk@yahoogroups.com, "soccerdatauk" <soccer@> wrote:
> >
> > To see the fledgling databases, you should be able to click on the
"database" label in the box on the left of the soccerdatauk home page (not the
soccerdata.com website, though I plan to add pages to the web site later to add
more details on the evolution of the laws of the game and the players involved).
> >
> > The yahoo database limits me to 10 fields, which are currently set to
season, competition, date, home club, score, away club, score, ground, and
notes, leaving one spare.  The version on my computer has more fields of course,
including the player names.  However, there's a good deal of work still to do on
the names before it's ready to be published - by including club matches as well
as FA Cup games I'm hoping to iron out differences in spelling and other obvious
errors.
> >
> > I'm interested to hear of the work you've done in collating Sheffield
football.  If you'd like to add your findings to the yahoo database that will be
good; I haven't tried a 'bulk input' yet, but it looks a simple matter to
convert my existing data to a comma delimited format, whence it can be sucked
into the yahoo database.  The big advantage to this approach is that anyone can
add to the database; I haven't got the technology to allow this to happen on
soccerdata.com.
> >
> > There's an issue of 'copyright' and 'intellectual property' of course. 
Speaking for myself, I'll be pleased to see a 'fixtures, results and dates'
database in the public domain, even if the full database of scorers and line-ups
is retained for private use.  My data is "fairly" comprehensive for "association
rules in the London area to 1874" thanks to Bell's Life and some extracts from
"Field".  I have little on Sheffield-rules fixtures though imagine there was
more activity in the 1860s than in London.  Yes, we should state the rules
adopted when known, and someday I'll try to establish exactly what "Nottingham
Rules" were! I'm happy to make the tenth field "code followed".
> >
> > My FA Cup data to 1888 is comprehensive, with Keith Richards and others
kindly been combing Field and Sportsman for more details.  However, I have done
little work on 'other games' in the period 1877 to 1888, largely because (as you
will appreciate) of the big upswing in the number of games played.  Certainly,
by 1885 or so, we probably need to be in a "match by match" type of format for
the leading clubs.  In the upcoming weeks I'll post "what I've got" for this
period and perhaps others in the group will be happy to join in.
> >
> > Regards, Tony
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In soccerdatauk@yahoogroups.com, "bty958590" <i.nannestad@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Tony
> > >
> > > What fields are you using already? One possibility would be to give
details of the type of association code played: London, Sheffield, Scottish or
other (which will usually be a local code). That will provide a better picture
of the extent of the Sheffield code and whether it was more popular than the
London code. I have details of games under Sheffield rules stretching from
Birmingham in the south to Middlesbrough in the north and across to Grimsby (but
not on the other side of the Pennines).
> > >
> > > Ian Nannestad
> > >
> >
>

Some of you will have noticed a distinct lack of progress with this project.  It
just doesn't work very well with yahoo's database, due to problems posting to it
and the limitation on size.  It looks far more sensible to set the database up
as a Google "docs" spreadsheet, which will allow anyone to update the database. 
I think I have to give you permission first, so please email me at
soccer@... if you'd like to be involved.

Once I'm sure I understand how 'docs' works I'll mail again.

Regards, Tony




--- In soccerdatauk@yahoogroups.com, "soccerdatauk" <soccer@...> wrote:
>
> To see the fledgling databases, you should be able to click on the "database"
label in the box on the left of the soccerdatauk home page (not the
soccerdata.com website, though I plan to add pages to the web site later to add
more details on the evolution of the laws of the game and the players involved).
>
> The yahoo database limits me to 10 fields, which are currently set to season,
competition, date, home club, score, away club, score, ground, and notes,
leaving one spare.  The version on my computer has more fields of course,
including the player names.  However, there's a good deal of work still to do on
the names before it's ready to be published - by including club matches as well
as FA Cup games I'm hoping to iron out differences in spelling and other obvious
errors.
>
> I'm interested to hear of the work you've done in collating Sheffield
football.  If you'd like to add your findings to the yahoo database that will be
good; I haven't tried a 'bulk input' yet, but it looks a simple matter to
convert my existing data to a comma delimited format, whence it can be sucked
into the yahoo database.  The big advantage to this approach is that anyone can
add to the database; I haven't got the technology to allow this to happen on
soccerdata.com.
>
> There's an issue of 'copyright' and 'intellectual property' of course. 
Speaking for myself, I'll be pleased to see a 'fixtures, results and dates'
database in the public domain, even if the full database of scorers and line-ups
is retained for private use.  My data is "fairly" comprehensive for "association
rules in the London area to 1874" thanks to Bell's Life and some extracts from
"Field".  I have little on Sheffield-rules fixtures though imagine there was
more activity in the 1860s than in London.  Yes, we should state the rules
adopted when known, and someday I'll try to establish exactly what "Nottingham
Rules" were! I'm happy to make the tenth field "code followed".
>
> My FA Cup data to 1888 is comprehensive, with Keith Richards and others kindly
been combing Field and Sportsman for more details.  However, I have done little
work on 'other games' in the period 1877 to 1888, largely because (as you will
appreciate) of the big upswing in the number of games played.  Certainly, by
1885 or so, we probably need to be in a "match by match" type of format for the
leading clubs.  In the upcoming weeks I'll post "what I've got" for this period
and perhaps others in the group will be happy to join in.
>
> Regards, Tony
>
>
>
>
> --- In soccerdatauk@yahoogroups.com, "bty958590" <i.nannestad@> wrote:
> >
> > Tony
> >
> > What fields are you using already? One possibility would be to give details
of the type of association code played: London, Sheffield, Scottish or other
(which will usually be a local code). That will provide a better picture of the
extent of the Sheffield code and whether it was more popular than the London
code. I have details of games under Sheffield rules stretching from Birmingham
in the south to Middlesbrough in the north and across to Grimsby (but not on the
other side of the Pennines).
> >
> > Ian Nannestad
> >
>

There's an interesting website dedicated to the non-League game, Non-League
Football Matters which is a football history information site about non-League
soccer in the North of England: www.nonleaguematters.net



And in a similar vein, this one's worth a look as well:
www.nonleaguetables.co.uk

This is an attempt to work out the top 5 crowds at CCTV matches in England &
Scotland. I'd be interested in any comments/amendments:

1. 43177 at Ibrox, 9 April 1968: Leeds v Rangers (Fairs Cup, QF)
2. 40149 at Anfield, 11 March 1967: Everton v Liverpool (FAC, R5)
3. 28060 at Old Trafford, 3 March 1967: Arsenal v Man Utd (FL-Div 1)
4. 27245 at Old Trafford, 5 October 1977: Man Utd v St Etienne (Cup Winners Cup,
R1, 2nd leg) - the match was played at Home Park, Plymouth
5. 22500 at Old Trafford, 23 April 1969: AC Milan v Man Utd (European Cup, SF,
1st leg)

Coventry had another game shown later in 1965-66 (at Charlton). They also had a
game at Newcastle relayed back to Highfield Road in 1993-94 season. I can supply
more details if required.

Regards

Jim

--- In soccerdatauk@yahoogroups.com, "bty958590" <i.nannestad@...> wrote:
>
> I'm looking to compile a list of CCTV matches from the period 1965 to the
1980s and would be interested to know of games which were shown either on large
screens at grounds or in local cinemas. The first of these was the Cardiff vs
Coventry game in Oct 1965 which was transmitted to large screens at Highfield
Road, but there were several others including a Millwall game at Oldham in
65-66, Man U at Arsenal in 66-67 and some European games. Any information will
be of interest.
>
> Ian Nannestad
>

This week's (Guardian) Knowledge has carried a thread which seeks to establish
which UK railway journey allows you to see the most football grounds from the
train. The winner, seems to be the Arriva Cross Country service from Plymouth to
Aberdeen.



http://guardian.chtah.com/a/tBK8bMjAY30QpAe9jDFAXrN0cyb/fvr25

I'm looking to compile a list of CCTV matches from the period 1965 to the 1980s
and would be interested to know of games which were shown either on large
screens at grounds or in local cinemas. The first of these was the Cardiff vs
Coventry game in Oct 1965 which was transmitted to large screens at Highfield
Road, but there were several others including a Millwall game at Oldham in
65-66, Man U at Arsenal in 66-67 and some European games. Any information will
be of interest.

Ian Nannestad

Thanks - this one worked. The first one I got had a spurious full stop after
".org.uk/home"

Gil Upton



--- In soccerdatauk@yahoogroups.com, steve flanagan <steve.flanagan@...> wrote:
>
> Try it again
> http://www.evertoncollection.org.uk/home
>
> Not sure what went wrong with the last link
>
> Steve
>
>
>
> 2009/9/24 uptonga <uptonga@...>
>
> >
> >
> > Have tried the link a couple of times but get "404 Not found"
> >
> > --- In soccerdatauk@yahoogroups.com <soccerdatauk%40yahoogroups.com>,
> > steve flanagan <steve.flanagan@> wrote:
> > >
> > > All
> > > The Everton Collection has undergone it's digitisation process and can
> > now
> > > be viewed online at http://www.evertoncollection.org.uk/home.
> > >
> > > If you are looking for anything relating to a particular team, then this
> > can
> > > be done by clicking on the Teams entry on the menu bar at the top and
> > then
> > > selecting your team. This will then bring up a full list of items in the
> > > collection relating to that team, be it programmes, entries into the
> > > official club ledgers, etc. Viewing is completely free to all.
> > >
> > > However, please note that not everything is on there at present (there
> > are
> > > over 15,000 separate items) - but should be in the near future.
> > >
> > > Regards
> > >
> > > Steve
> > >
> >
> >
> >
>

Have tried the link a couple of times but get "404 Not found"

--- In soccerdatauk@yahoogroups.com, steve flanagan <steve.flanagan@...> wrote:
>
> All
> The Everton Collection has undergone it's digitisation process and can now
> be viewed online at http://www.evertoncollection.org.uk/home.
>
> If you are looking for anything relating to a particular team, then this can
> be done by clicking on the Teams entry on the menu bar at the top and then
> selecting your team.  This will then bring up a full list of items in the
> collection relating to that team, be it programmes, entries into the
> official club ledgers, etc.  Viewing is completely free to all.
>
> However, please note that not everything is on there at present (there are
> over 15,000 separate items) - but should be in the near future.
>
> Regards
>
> Steve
>

I can think of few places on the island more pleasurable to sun myself than
Snowdonia!

Tony, I would say you have the database design spot on.  It's certainly the way
I went with my own website.  A goal is a uniquely identifiable entity and
deserves its own table, and as you rightly say you can add additional info on
each individual record - minutes scored, how scored (penalty, header etc).  It
also provides the easiest (only?) method of quickly answering any possible
queries on goals, e.g. who has the most against Coventry, who has the most goals
in the last ten minutes of games, how many times did Peterborough score in the
last five minutes of games in 1987/88 etc etc

Sorry I can't be of any help with the question.  I do have the results of all FL
matches in my database, but I am only really interested in Hartlepool United so
it is only their matches where my data gets more detailed.  I can tell you who
has had five-goal FL hauls for us (Harry Simmons and Bobby Folland) and against
us (Tommy Tippett (6), Bill Chambers, Ted Harston (7), Edward Passmore, Jim
Dailey and Juan Ugarte) but, sadly, none of those games were in the top flight!

John
--- In soccerdatauk@yahoogroups.com, "soccerdatauk" <soccer@...> wrote:
>
> Apologies for my late entry into this debate. I have been sunning myself in
Snowdonia for a week, and it's not often you can say that!  I have on computer
every goal scorer since 1888, but the data is not (yet) in a form that lets me
interrogate it in the form "goalscorer = 5".  Each Match by Match book so far
published will let you find the 5-goal scorers 'manually' of course.  Design of
the 'ultimate database' is proceeding, but scorers present a small problem - do
you store them as one record (eg "Charlton 3, Best, Law"), or three records
"Charlton 3", "Best", "Law", or 5 records (Charlton, Charlton, Charlton, Best,
Law).  The latter is the method adopted, and will allow other goal details such
as "time" to be added.  It just makes the retrieval routines a little more
complicated when it comes to finding examples of multiple goals in a game. 
Regards, Tony
>
> --- In soccerdatauk@yahoogroups.com, ironopolis@ wrote:
> >
> >
> > In a message dated 15/09/2009 13:34:50 GMT Standard Time,
> > dan.seppings@ writes:
> >
> > I'm a new  member of this site and my first question is to ask if any of
> > you have a full  list of players who have scored 5 goals in a top division
> > game in  England.
> >
> >
> > Two Boro players from my  records:--
> > 06 Oct 1923 Andy Wilson 5(1p) for  Middlesbrough v N.Forest (H) won 5-v
> > N.For
> > 09 Sep  1935 George Camsell 5 for Middlesbrough v A.Villa (A) won 7-v
> > A.Villa
> >
> > Nigel  Gibb
> >
> > Web site  http://www.theborofc.info/
> >
>

Apologies for my late entry into this debate. I have been sunning myself in
Snowdonia for a week, and it's not often you can say that!  I have on computer
every goal scorer since 1888, but the data is not (yet) in a form that lets me
interrogate it in the form "goalscorer = 5".  Each Match by Match book so far
published will let you find the 5-goal scorers 'manually' of course.  Design of
the 'ultimate database' is proceeding, but scorers present a small problem - do
you store them as one record (eg "Charlton 3, Best, Law"), or three records
"Charlton 3", "Best", "Law", or 5 records (Charlton, Charlton, Charlton, Best,
Law).  The latter is the method adopted, and will allow other goal details such
as "time" to be added.  It just makes the retrieval routines a little more
complicated when it comes to finding examples of multiple goals in a game. 
Regards, Tony

--- In soccerdatauk@yahoogroups.com, ironopolis@... wrote:
>
>
> In a message dated 15/09/2009 13:34:50 GMT Standard Time,
> dan.seppings@... writes:
>
> I'm a new  member of this site and my first question is to ask if any of
> you have a full  list of players who have scored 5 goals in a top division
> game in  England.
>
>
> Two Boro players from my  records:--
> 06 Oct 1923 Andy Wilson 5(1p) for  Middlesbrough v N.Forest (H) won 5-v
> N.For
> 09 Sep  1935 George Camsell 5 for Middlesbrough v A.Villa (A) won 7-v
> A.Villa
>
> Nigel  Gibb
>
> Web site  http://www.theborofc.info/
>

========================================
Message Received: Sep 16 2009, 10:14 AM
From: "mick"
To: soccerdatauk@yahoogroups.com
Cc:
Subject: Re: [soccerdatauk] 5 goals in an English top division game

 



That was a Div 2 match

----- Original Message -----

From: Terry Morley

To: soccerdatauk@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 9:17 AM

Subject: Re: [soccerdatauk] 5 goals in an English top division game

 

The one I recall being told about by my Dad was Charlton vs Huddersfield.
Charlton were losing 5.1 with about 20 minutes to go, went on to win 7.6 with Johnny Summers scoring 5. 

========================================
Message Received: Sep 15 2009, 05:13 PM
From: "mick"
To: soccerdatauk@yahoogroups.com
Cc:
Subject: Re: [soccerdatauk] 5 goals in an English top division game

 

I saw it happen twice

Roger Davies for Derby County v Luton 29/3/75

Ian Rush for Liverpool v Luton 29\10\83

I do believe Tony Woodcock scored 5 for Arsenal on the same day as Ian Rush scored his five, it could have been against Aston Villa

----- Original Message -----

From: dan.seppings

To: soccerdatauk@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2009 2:33 PM

Subject: [soccerdatauk] 5 goals in an English top division game

 

Hi All,

I'm a new member of this site and my first question is to ask if any of you have a full list of players who have scored 5 goals in a top division game in England.

I'd be grateful if you could help me if you have this list as I am finding it difficult to track down all the players who have achieved this feat.

Thanks,

Dan Seppings

----- Original Message -----

From: Terry Morley

To: soccerdatauk@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 9:17 AM

Subject: Re: [soccerdatauk] 5 goals in an English top division game

 

The one I recall being told about by my Dad was Charlton vs Huddersfield.
Charlton were losing 5.1 with about 20 minutes to go, went on to win 7.6 with Johnny Summers scoring 5. 

========================================
Message Received: Sep 15 2009, 05:13 PM
From: "mick"
To: soccerdatauk@yahoogroups.com
Cc:
Subject: Re: [soccerdatauk] 5 goals in an English top division game

 

I saw it happen twice

Roger Davies for Derby County v Luton 29/3/75

Ian Rush for Liverpool v Luton 29\10\83

I do believe Tony Woodcock scored 5 for Arsenal on the same day as Ian Rush scored his five, it could have been against Aston Villa

----- Original Message -----

From: dan.seppings

To: soccerdatauk@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2009 2:33 PM

Subject: [soccerdatauk] 5 goals in an English top division game

 

Hi All,

I'm a new member of this site and my first question is to ask if any of you have a full list of players who have scored 5 goals in a top division game in England.

I'd be grateful if you could help me if you have this list as I am finding it difficult to track down all the players who have achieved this feat.

Thanks,

Dan Seppings

========================================
Message Received: Sep 15 2009, 05:13 PM
From: "mick"
To: soccerdatauk@yahoogroups.com
Cc:
Subject: Re: [soccerdatauk] 5 goals in an English top division game

 

I saw it happen twice

Roger Davies for Derby County v Luton 29/3/75

Ian Rush for Liverpool v Luton 29\10\83

I do believe Tony Woodcock scored 5 for Arsenal on the same day as Ian Rush scored his five, it could have been against Aston Villa

----- Original Message -----

From: dan.seppings

To: soccerdatauk@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2009 2:33 PM

Subject: [soccerdatauk] 5 goals in an English top division game

 

Hi All,

I'm a new member of this site and my first question is to ask if any of you have a full list of players who have scored 5 goals in a top division game in England.

I'd be grateful if you could help me if you have this list as I am finding it difficult to track down all the players who have achieved this feat.

Thanks,

Dan Seppings

A quick check shows that  the following four players have scored 5 goals for
Aston Villa in the top division:

Harry Hampton  v  Sheffield Wednesday     5.10.1912 (Score 10-0)

Harold Halse  v   Derby County   19.10.1912 (Score 5-1)

Len Capewell  v  Burnley   29.8.1925  (Score 10-0)

George Brown  v  Leicester City   2.1.1932 (Score 8-3)

I also saw a player score 5 goals in a game for the Villa when Gerry Hitchens
scored 5 in an 11-1 victory over Charlton in 1959 - unfortunately we'd been
relegated to Division 2  at the end of the previous season :-((

A quick check shows that  the following four players have scored 5 goals for
Aston Villa in the top division:

Harry Hampton  v  Sheffield Wednesday     5.10.1912 (Score 10-0)

Harold Halse  v   Derby County   19.10.1912 (Score 5-1)

Len Capewell  v  Burnley   29.8.1925  (Score 10-0)

George Brown  v  Leicester City   2.1.1932 (Score 8-3)

I also saw a player score 5 goals in a game for the Villa when Gerry Hitchens
scored 5 in an 11-1 victory over Charlton in 1959 - unfortunately we'd been
relegated to Division 2  at the end of the previous season :-((

As a Villa supporter it pains me to point out that in 1935-36 Ted Drake scored
seven in a single match against the Villa at Villa Park on 14 December 1935.

Dixie Dean once scored all five in a 5-2 win over Manchester Utd (not sure of
the date).

----- Original Message -----

From: dan.seppings

To: soccerdatauk@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2009 2:33 PM

Subject: [soccerdatauk] 5 goals in an English top division game

 

Hi All,

I'm a new member of this site and my first question is to ask if any of you have a full list of players who have scored 5 goals in a top division game in England.

I'd be grateful if you could help me if you have this list as I am finding it difficult to track down all the players who have achieved this feat.

Thanks,

Dan Seppings

Hi All,

I'm a new member of this site and my first question is to ask if any of you have
a full list of players who have scored 5 goals in a top division game in
England.

I'd be grateful if you could help me if you have this list as I am finding it
difficult to track down all the players who have achieved this feat.

Thanks,

Dan Seppings

>Sorry to hear that spam merchants are such a problem.
>A couple of suggestions that might help deal with the problem.

You could also make it a moderated list, whereby the first couple of postings
are checked before they are released to the list to make sure that are
football-related, anything dodgy, and they are accidentally lost in the
electronic ether.

Ralph
Kiwiland

The Guardian of 18/5/1951 has the following results under the heading
"Festival of Britain matches"

Barrow 3 Shamrock R 1, Ilford 2 Wageningen F C(Holland) 2, Millwall 2
RFC Anderlecht (Belgium) 1, Newport County 3 Eindhoven 0.

In The Guardian of 8/5/51 are the following results
Birmingham C 3 Airdrieonians 5, Darlington 0 Shelbourne 2, QPR 1
Schiedam VV 1, South Liverpool 5 Cork Athletic 1, Stockport County 3
Drumcondra 1, Tottenham Hotspur 0 FC Austria 1, Walsall 1 RC Haarlem 0,
Wrexham 2 Dundalk 0.

There were a whole load of FoB fixtures for 9/5/51 too many to type out
- I can send you a copy if you want. They include England v Argentina. I
don't see any results though

The same paper has 2 result for 9/5/51 and although not headed FOB
results, I would assume they were: Chelsea 5 Floriana (Malta) 1,
Lancashire Combination 3 NEC Nijmegen 3.

There were further matches in the 15th, 16th and 17th.

Paul




Ralph wrote:
> I've noticed a programme from the 1950/1951 Festival of Britain game between
> Barrow and Shamrock Rovers played on 17/05/1951 on the web,
> http://tinyurl.com/kk3foh
>
> As a Barrow supporter I haven't come across this game before, does anyone know
> the score, and was it part of a series of games played across the country to
> mark the occasion?
>
> Ralph
> Kiwiland
>
>

I've noticed a programme from the 1950/1951 Festival of Britain game between
Barrow and Shamrock Rovers played on 17/05/1951 on the web,
http://tinyurl.com/kk3foh

As a Barrow supporter I haven't come across this game before, does anyone know
the score, and was it part of a series of games played across the country to
mark the occasion?

Ralph
Kiwiland

To see the fledgling databases, you should be able to click on the "database"
label in the box on the left of the soccerdatauk home page (not the
soccerdata.com website, though I plan to add pages to the web site later to add
more details on the evolution of the laws of the game and the players involved).

The yahoo database limits me to 10 fields, which are currently set to season,
competition, date, home club, score, away club, score, ground, and notes,
leaving one spare.  The version on my computer has more fields of course,
including the player names.  However, there's a good deal of work still to do on
the names before it's ready to be published - by including club matches as well
as FA Cup games I'm hoping to iron out differences in spelling and other obvious
errors.

I'm interested to hear of the work you've done in collating Sheffield football. 
If you'd like to add your findings to the yahoo database that will be good; I
haven't tried a 'bulk input' yet, but it looks a simple matter to convert my
existing data to a comma delimited format, whence it can be sucked into the
yahoo database.  The big advantage to this approach is that anyone can add to
the database; I haven't got the technology to allow this to happen on
soccerdata.com.

There's an issue of 'copyright' and 'intellectual property' of course.  Speaking
for myself, I'll be pleased to see a 'fixtures, results and dates' database in
the public domain, even if the full database of scorers and line-ups is retained
for private use.  My data is "fairly" comprehensive for "association rules in
the London area to 1874" thanks to Bell's Life and some extracts from "Field". 
I have little on Sheffield-rules fixtures though imagine there was more activity
in the 1860s than in London.  Yes, we should state the rules adopted when known,
and someday I'll try to establish exactly what "Nottingham Rules" were! I'm
happy to make the tenth field "code followed".

My FA Cup data to 1888 is comprehensive, with Keith Richards and others kindly
been combing Field and Sportsman for more details.  However, I have done little
work on 'other games' in the period 1877 to 1888, largely because (as you will
appreciate) of the big upswing in the number of games played.  Certainly, by
1885 or so, we probably need to be in a "match by match" type of format for the
leading clubs.  In the upcoming weeks I'll post "what I've got" for this period
and perhaps others in the group will be happy to join in.

Regards, Tony




--- In soccerdatauk@yahoogroups.com, "bty958590" <i.nannestad@...> wrote:
>
> Tony
>
> What fields are you using already? One possibility would be to give details of
the type of association code played: London, Sheffield, Scottish or other (which
will usually be a local code). That will provide a better picture of the extent
of the Sheffield code and whether it was more popular than the London code. I
have details of games under Sheffield rules stretching from Birmingham in the
south to Middlesbrough in the north and across to Grimsby (but not on the other
side of the Pennines).
>
> Ian Nannestad
>

soccerdatauk wrote:
>
>
> I am notified of new members, some of whom only join to circulate
> rubbish. I delete these people's details as soon as I can, and hope they
> do not cause you too much trouble.
>
> I had to close my last bulletin board when it got overwhelmed by these
> people - hopefully I can keep on top of it this time.
>
> Regards, Tony

Tony

Sorry to hear that spam merchants are such a problem.

A couple of suggestions that might help deal with the problem.

When you receive a request to join the group you could send back an
email requesting more information, along the following lines.

'What are your particular areas of interest within football
statistics"? (or some similar question). I suspect that someone who is
just joining to spam will not be able to provide a credible answer.

You could also use skill testing questions, like the following
examples, which bona fide applicants should be able to answer.

Who was the first team in the twentieth century to complete the double?

What was the significance of the 1953 cup final?

You will note that I have deliberately worded the questions a little
vaguely because I don't think a google search of 'double' or 'cup
final' will provide the answers.

However I would think that everyone on this list and most genuine
applicants would be able to respond with Tottenham Hotspur and Stanley
Matthews.

While these suggestions would create more work for you initially they
would reduce the work of having to delete these people and their emails.

regards

d.c.a. (declan) mulcahy