Bob when exactly was this Sheffield United game? Someone has emailed me having
seen the Youtube clip and said it was faked!
Did they play the game again, or did the result stand?
 
Bob
 
Interesting that after only 3 games, the Premiership has no team with 100%
record, win or lose. But look at the bottom of Division 2.....what a statistics
nightmare.


--- On Sat, 8/30/08, Bob Dunning <bob_dunning_uk@...> wrote:

From: Bob Dunning <bob_dunning_uk@...>
Subject: [Sixties and Seventies Soccer] Re: Warnock should have
been.......................
To: sixtiesandseventiessoccer@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, August 30, 2008, 12:17 PM






Ok say Leeds are mid-table at Christmas and Warnock has been sacked by
Palace by then, what price he would be named as Leeds new manager
before the year is out????

That clip from Bill was pretty amazing thanks for that - but did anyone
follow some of the suggested links from YouTube that came with the
clip. Pretty hairraising stuff (even to a balding bloke like me).

Players dying playing football and then deaths generally, very sick. Of
course I didn't watch any of them...

Bob7071


















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Ok say Leeds are mid-table at Christmas and Warnock has been sacked by
Palace by then, what price he would be named as Leeds new manager
before the year is out????

That clip from Bill was pretty amazing thanks for that - but did anyone
follow some of the suggested links from YouTube that came with the
clip. Pretty hairraising stuff (even to a balding bloke like me).

Players dying playing football and then deaths generally, very sick. Of
course I didn't watch any of them...

Bob7071

Yes having looked at it with a lot of hindsight - when exactly was this game? -
I must admit Warnock does not appear smelling of roses.
 
If we take a pasting at Reading today however I think the writing may soon be on
the wall at Selhurst....Simon is not known for his patient nature.
 
Bob

--- On Fri, 8/29/08, bill laing <billy318124@...> wrote:

From: bill laing <billy318124@...>
Subject: [Sixties and Seventies Soccer] Warnock should have
been.......................
To: sixtiesandseventiessoccer@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, August 29, 2008, 5:48 PM






............ .slung out of all football when this happened.
 
http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=9ZDsjY3uFdE

--- On Fri, 29/8/08, Robert Brown <bobbrownct@yahoo. com> wrote:

From: Robert Brown <bobbrownct@yahoo. com>
Subject: Re: [Sixties and Seventies Soccer] Re: Opening season statistics
To: sixtiesandseventies soccer@yahoogrou ps.com
Date: Friday, 29 August, 2008, 1:05 PM

Bob, Palace were in Div 1 (old) and the Premiership between 1989/90 and 1992/3,
but I don't know whether we played Leeds in any Cup competition in that time,
probably not. Anyway weren't Leeds Div 1 champions in 1991/2? Cantona et al?
 
Warnock was apparently extremely angry at the Palace defensive performance. So
there's that AND outr totally useless forward line to sort out. I'd give even
money he won't be our manager come the end of the season....
 
Bob Brown

--- On Thu, 8/28/08, Bob Dunning <bob_dunning_ uk@yahoo. co.uk> wrote:

From: Bob Dunning <bob_dunning_ uk@yahoo. co.uk>
Subject: [Sixties and Seventies Soccer] Re: Opening season statistics
To: sixtiesandseventies soccer@yahoogrou ps.com
Date: Thursday, August 28, 2008, 6:08 PM

Well 45 minutes ago I returned from Italy and yes it is raining at
Leeds/Bradford Airport!

I was able to follow the Leeds v Crystal Palace score using my
mobile's internet, though my friend's texts were obviously quicker.
He told me the next day that we had a 16 year old playing and only
fielded 4 1st teamers!

I suppose Palace did the same.

It still is a humbling experience for us Leeds fans to read that we
are the team causing the upset - well unless it's v Barcelona, of
course...

I haven't time to look up to see if we have been the minor team in
our encounters before, it is a clever query, I would guess not,
though we did have 8 years in Division 2 in the 80s/early 90s.

I have to rush out to my son's football team's committee meeting now,
back down to earth with a bump!

Incidentally, on Saturday we drew with Yeovil and I was following
the score using the BBC internet text updates as it was a featured
game due to being an early kick-off.

But modern technology is not all it's cracked up to be. At 60 minutes
I just could not get any more signal.

Naturally at 60 minutes we were 1-0 up and I had to wait 3 hours
before a text from my friend told me it was 1-1 due to a goal in the
62nd minute!

Getting 3rd Division updates in Italy straight to my phone is 1)
amazing, yet 2) blooming frustrating, and I cannot wait for the day
that this whole process seems as outdated as Ceefax does now.

Live pictures to my cellphone implant, I cannot wait!

The experience did remind me of the many 70s matches I used to listen
to down South desparately waiting for updates on Radio 2 or
Grandstand.

I reckon back then if I was on holiday, the transistor's batteries
would run out at 60 minutes causing agonising waits till the Sunday
newspapers arrived.

Cheers,

Bob7071

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Very good luck wth the book, let us know when it's completed so we can
buy it,.

Cheers,

Bob7071

.............slung out of all football when this happened.
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ZDsjY3uFdE


--- On Fri, 29/8/08, Robert Brown <bobbrownct@...> wrote:

From: Robert Brown <bobbrownct@...>
Subject: Re: [Sixties and Seventies Soccer] Re: Opening season statistics
To: sixtiesandseventiessoccer@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, 29 August, 2008, 1:05 PM






Bob, Palace were in Div 1 (old) and the Premiership between 1989/90 and 1992/3,
but I don't know whether we played Leeds in any Cup competition in that time,
probably not. Anyway weren't Leeds Div 1 champions in 1991/2? Cantona et al?
 
Warnock was apparently extremely angry at the Palace defensive performance. So
there's that AND outr totally useless forward line to sort out. I'd give even
money he won't be our manager come the end of the season....
 
Bob Brown

--- On Thu, 8/28/08, Bob Dunning <bob_dunning_ uk@yahoo. co.uk> wrote:

From: Bob Dunning <bob_dunning_ uk@yahoo. co.uk>
Subject: [Sixties and Seventies Soccer] Re: Opening season statistics
To: sixtiesandseventies soccer@yahoogrou ps.com
Date: Thursday, August 28, 2008, 6:08 PM

Well 45 minutes ago I returned from Italy and yes it is raining at
Leeds/Bradford Airport!

I was able to follow the Leeds v Crystal Palace score using my
mobile's internet, though my friend's texts were obviously quicker.
He told me the next day that we had a 16 year old playing and only
fielded 4 1st teamers!

I suppose Palace did the same.

It still is a humbling experience for us Leeds fans to read that we
are the team causing the upset - well unless it's v Barcelona, of
course...

I haven't time to look up to see if we have been the minor team in
our encounters before, it is a clever query, I would guess not,
though we did have 8 years in Division 2 in the 80s/early 90s.

I have to rush out to my son's football team's committee meeting now,
back down to earth with a bump!

Incidentally, on Saturday we drew with Yeovil and I was following
the score using the BBC internet text updates as it was a featured
game due to being an early kick-off.

But modern technology is not all it's cracked up to be. At 60 minutes
I just could not get any more signal.

Naturally at 60 minutes we were 1-0 up and I had to wait 3 hours
before a text from my friend told me it was 1-1 due to a goal in the
62nd minute!

Getting 3rd Division updates in Italy straight to my phone is 1)
amazing, yet 2) blooming frustrating, and I cannot wait for the day
that this whole process seems as outdated as Ceefax does now.

Live pictures to my cellphone implant, I cannot wait!

The experience did remind me of the many 70s matches I used to listen
to down South desparately waiting for updates on Radio 2 or
Grandstand.

I reckon back then if I was on holiday, the transistor's batteries
would run out at 60 minutes causing agonising waits till the Sunday
newspapers arrived.

Cheers,

Bob7071

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Bob, Palace were in Div 1 (old) and the Premiership between 1989/90 and 1992/3,
but I don't know whether we played Leeds in any Cup competition in that time,
probably not. Anyway weren't Leeds Div 1 champions in 1991/2? Cantona et al?
 
Warnock was apparently extremely angry at the Palace defensive performance. So
there's that AND outr totally useless forward line to sort out. I'd give even
money he won't be our manager come the end of the season....
 
Bob Brown

--- On Thu, 8/28/08, Bob Dunning <bob_dunning_uk@...> wrote:

From: Bob Dunning <bob_dunning_uk@...>
Subject: [Sixties and Seventies Soccer] Re: Opening season statistics
To: sixtiesandseventiessoccer@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, August 28, 2008, 6:08 PM






Well 45 minutes ago I returned from Italy and yes it is raining at
Leeds/Bradford Airport!

I was able to follow the Leeds v Crystal Palace score using my
mobile's internet, though my friend's texts were obviously quicker.
He told me the next day that we had a 16 year old playing and only
fielded 4 1st teamers!

I suppose Palace did the same.

It still is a humbling experience for us Leeds fans to read that we
are the team causing the upset - well unless it's v Barcelona, of
course...

I haven't time to look up to see if we have been the minor team in
our encounters before, it is a clever query, I would guess not,
though we did have 8 years in Division 2 in the 80s/early 90s.

I have to rush out to my son's football team's committee meeting now,
back down to earth with a bump!

Incidentally, on Saturday we drew with Yeovil and I was following
the score using the BBC internet text updates as it was a featured
game due to being an early kick-off.

But modern technology is not all it's cracked up to be. At 60 minutes
I just could not get any more signal.

Naturally at 60 minutes we were 1-0 up and I had to wait 3 hours
before a text from my friend told me it was 1-1 due to a goal in the
62nd minute!

Getting 3rd Division updates in Italy straight to my phone is 1)
amazing, yet 2) blooming frustrating, and I cannot wait for the day
that this whole process seems as outdated as Ceefax does now.

Live pictures to my cellphone implant, I cannot wait!

The experience did remind me of the many 70s matches I used to listen
to down South desparately waiting for updates on Radio 2 or
Grandstand.

I reckon back then if I was on holiday, the transistor's batteries
would run out at 60 minutes causing agonising waits till the Sunday
newspapers arrived.

Cheers,

Bob7071


















[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Well 45 minutes ago I returned from Italy and yes it is raining at
Leeds/Bradford Airport!

I was able to follow the Leeds v Crystal Palace score using my
mobile's internet, though my friend's texts were obviously quicker.
He told me the next day that we had a 16 year old playing and only
fielded 4 1st teamers!

I suppose Palace did the same.

It still is a humbling experience for us Leeds fans to read that we
are the team causing the upset - well unless it's v Barcelona, of
course...

I haven't time to look up to see if we have been the minor team in
our encounters before, it is a clever query, I would guess not,
though we did have 8 years in Division 2 in the 80s/early 90s.

I have to rush out to my son's football team's committee meeting now,
back down to earth with a bump!

Incidentally, on Saturday we drew with Yeovil and I was following
the score using the BBC internet text updates as it was a featured
game due to being an early kick-off.

But modern technology is not all it's cracked up to be. At 60 minutes
I just could not get any more signal.

Naturally at 60 minutes we were 1-0 up and I had to wait 3 hours
before a text from my friend told me it was 1-1 due to a goal in the
62nd minute!

Getting 3rd Division updates in Italy straight to my phone is 1)
amazing, yet 2) blooming frustrating, and I cannot wait for the day
that this whole process seems as outdated as Ceefax does now.

Live pictures to my cellphone implant, I cannot wait!

The experience did remind me of the many 70s matches I used to listen
to down South desparately waiting for updates on Radio 2 or
Grandstand.

I reckon back then if I was on holiday, the transistor's batteries
would run out at 60 minutes causing agonising waits till the Sunday
newspapers arrived.

Cheers,

Bob7071

Agreed about Kenny's autobiog but I suppose given his career, only say 5 years
at Palace against twice that at Arsenal, where all his major honours and England
games came.
Also his marketers would have been looking for the Arsenal supporters to reach
to rather than Palace.
 
I still reckon Kenny has not been totally open about the events which lay behind
his surprise swap transfer with Clive Allen, which basically unhinged the Palace
defence although Clive Allen was a good forward, but we already had them.
Terry Fenwick took over Sansom's slot but never found his true role at
left-back, he was a more natural central defender.
 
Judging by our performance at Leeds maybe we had better offer Clive Allen a new
contract. Four games out of five with no goals for, ominous...and to rub it in,
Clinton Morrison back to his best at Coventry!
 
Bob Brown

--- On Thu, 8/28/08, Terry Morley <terry@...> wrote:

From: Terry Morley <terry@...>
Subject: Re: [Sixties and Seventies Soccer] Opening season statistics
To: sixtiesandseventiessoccer@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, August 28, 2008, 7:17 AM







vs Leeds I think that is the first time we have played them as the superiour
side, in status but obviously not ability, based on Tuesdays abject performance.

Text - The text service on digital is very slow to load, but at least you can
manouvre around the pages easier. Think eventually text will disappear, as more
and more digital channels have the red button link to split screens.

Kenny Sansom's autobiography - about half way through it, I was very surprised
by the number of errors. Also was hoping there might have been a bit more about
his time at Palace.

============ ========= ========= ========= =
Message Received: Aug 27 2008, 02:31 PM
From: "bill laing"
To: sixtiesandseventies soccer@yahoogrou ps.com
Cc:
Subject: Re: [Sixties and Seventies Soccer] Opening season statistics

re Ceefax...... ...it can take 3 minutes to reach a page (of 4) for a Cricket
score and 10 minutes to check shares if you arrive on the wrong page - hope that
makes sense

--- On Wed, 27/8/08, Robert Brown <bobbrownct@yahoo. com> wrote:

From: Robert Brown <bobbrownct@yahoo. com>
Subject: Re: [Sixties and Seventies Soccer] Opening season statistics
To: sixtiesandseventies soccer@yahoogrou ps.com
Date: Wednesday, 27 August, 2008, 12:02 PM

Well Leeds took us to the cleaners last night, I liked the headline on ITV
Ceefax that it was a "Shock result" given they are Div 1!!

Would this be the first time, Bob/anyone, that Leeds have played Palace as a
lower League team? I was just wondering if in al our hops into and out of the
Premiership that we played Leeds while they weren't there.
Back when Leeds were in their pomp Palace were always the "giant-killers" in
every Cup encounter.

Bob
BTW I just wonder what the future is for Ceefax and its BBC equivalent given the
swing to digital technology? Useful for those like myself who aren't on
satellite, but it's very cumbersome by modern standards.

--- On Tue, 8/26/08, bill laing wrote:

From: bill laing
Subject: Re: [Sixties and Seventies Soccer] Opening season statistics
To: sixtiesandseventies soccer@yahoogrou ps.com
Date: Tuesday, August 26, 2008, 9:03 PM

i seem to remember a few blokes coming back to our local after Chelsea v Leeds a
few years back moaning like hell about Leeds (nothing new there) they had 2 sent
off in a 0 - 0 draw in which they camped in their own half........ .i think i've
remembered it right

all the best to all

Bill

--- On Tue, 26/8/08, Robert Brown wrote:

From: Robert Brown
Subject: Re: [Sixties and Seventies Soccer] Opening season statistics
To: sixtiesandseventies soccer@yahoogrou ps.com
Date: Tuesday, 26 August, 2008, 12:56 PM

That's an interesting bit of news Bill about a modern cross-over between the two
sports!

Right now I do not feel any more intelligent than anybody supporting either
sport, having not even looked at the email subject before I sent Saturday's
comments! Of course it was Roger KIRKpatrick, for some reason I crossed over
into your favoured Man U territory and thought about John FITZpatrick.

I personally cannot understand why Mark Ramprakash does not figure in the
selector's choice, I think they have left him out for so long it would
effectively be an admittance of their earlier lack of judgement, so he is
destined for the rest of his (I hope) long career to be the best current batsman
not to play for his country.

Back to Palace issues. They held out for most of the second-half with only 9 men
against Ipswich. Has any team ever gone down to 8 without conceding a goal, for
any meaningful period of a game? Also Palace have played 3 games without scoring
a goal. What is the longest time at the start of a season that a League team
have not registered a score?

Regards Bob Brown

--- On Sun, 8/24/08, bill laing wrote:

From: bill laing
Subject: Re: [Sixties and Seventies Soccer] Roger Kirkpatrick.
To: sixtiesandseventies soccer@yahoogrou ps.com
Date: Sunday, August 24, 2008, 1:07 AM

Martin Bodenham retired referee is now an umpire on the county circuit.Mark
Ramprakash,the best batsman in England by a country mile,posted 178 in the first
innings against Sussex this week.i was there for all 4 days.the press and TV
telling all and sundry that Ramps is struggling this year may have confused
some.he is top of the averages as per usual and has just gone past 1,000 runs
this season - for the 18th time.

as a general rule of thumb Cricket people are ten times as intelligent as
Football people.

--- On Sat, 23/8/08, Robert Brown wrote:

From: Robert Brown
Subject: Re: [Sixties and Seventies Soccer] Roger Kirkpatrick.
To: sixtiesandseventies soccer@yahoogrou ps.com
Date: Saturday, 23 August, 2008, 1:00 PM

Roger was now I recollect Fitzpatrick. The essence of a good ref of course is
that should be invisible, unless there is some sort of confrontation between the
players. That is difficult when the ref is transparently not of a shape to be a
player.

Whether former players make the best refs is I think a matter of debate.
Certainly former cricket players seem to make the best umpires. They have been
under much more pressure from TV though in recent years.

I can still remember when they introduced slo-mo replays for the first time on
TV back in the early 1970's (?) for cricket. An ITV comedy show did a very funny
sketch of Benaud and co. sitting at a restaurant table and tipping over the salt
cellar.

No-one from the football field seems to have been the equivalent of Dickie Bird.
I wonder why? Is it just they don't stay active refs long enough?

Bob Brown

--- On Sat, 8/23/08, oxonchap1 wrote:

From: oxonchap1
Subject: [Sixties and Seventies Soccer] Roger Kirkpatrick.
To: sixtiesandseventies soccer@yahoogrou ps.com
Date: Saturday, August 23, 2008, 12:17 PM

This is the man from those those days,I remember him too as well as eg
Jim Finney,Norman Burtenshaw,the butcher from Wolverhampton. .you know
who I mean (!) and Clive the "Prince of Wales" and more recently Rodger
Gifford,Ray Lewis and Dermot Gallagher.With the fitness-
tests,seminars, heart-rate monitoring (24 x 7) it is a profession
now,not a hobby (at the top|).However, Dermot in particular (sadly
retired now at 50) has a wonderfully dry sense of humour and the
players knew that certain actions would mean certain responses... as
night follows day !

Mervyn.

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vs Leeds I think that is the first time we have played them as the superiour
side, in status but obviously not ability, based on Tuesdays abject performance.

Text - The text service on digital is very slow to load, but at least you can
manouvre around the pages easier. Think eventually text will disappear, as more
and more digital channels have the red button link to split screens.

Kenny Sansom's autobiography - about half way through it, I was very surprised
by the number of errors. Also was hoping there might have been a bit more about
his time at Palace.




========================================
Message Received: Aug 27 2008, 02:31 PM
From: "bill laing"
To: sixtiesandseventiessoccer@yahoogroups.com
Cc:
Subject: Re: [Sixties and Seventies Soccer] Opening season statistics

re Ceefax.........it can take 3 minutes to reach a page (of 4) for a Cricket
score and 10 minutes to check shares if you arrive on the wrong page - hope that
makes sense

--- On Wed, 27/8/08, Robert Brown <bobbrownct@...> wrote:

From: Robert Brown <bobbrownct@...>
Subject: Re: [Sixties and Seventies Soccer] Opening season statistics
To: sixtiesandseventiessoccer@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, 27 August, 2008, 12:02 PM

Well Leeds took us to the cleaners last night, I liked the headline on ITV
Ceefax that it was a "Shock result" given they are Div 1!!

Would this be the first time, Bob/anyone, that Leeds have played Palace as a
lower League team? I was just wondering if in al our hops into and out of the
Premiership that we played Leeds while they weren't there.
Back when Leeds were in their pomp Palace were always the "giant-killers" in
every Cup encounter.

Bob
BTW I just wonder what the future is for Ceefax and its BBC equivalent given the
swing to digital technology? Useful for those like myself who aren't on
satellite, but it's very cumbersome by modern standards.

--- On Tue, 8/26/08, bill laing wrote:

From: bill laing
Subject: Re: [Sixties and Seventies Soccer] Opening season statistics
To: sixtiesandseventies soccer@yahoogrou ps.com
Date: Tuesday, August 26, 2008, 9:03 PM

i seem to remember a few blokes coming back to our local after Chelsea v Leeds a
few years back moaning like hell about Leeds (nothing new there) they had 2 sent
off in a 0 - 0 draw in which they camped in their own half........ .i think i've
remembered it right

all the best to all

Bill

--- On Tue, 26/8/08, Robert Brown wrote:

From: Robert Brown
Subject: Re: [Sixties and Seventies Soccer] Opening season statistics
To: sixtiesandseventies soccer@yahoogrou ps.com
Date: Tuesday, 26 August, 2008, 12:56 PM

That's an interesting bit of news Bill about a modern cross-over between the two
sports!

Right now I do not feel any more intelligent than anybody supporting either
sport, having not even looked at the email subject before I sent Saturday's
comments! Of course it was Roger KIRKpatrick, for some reason I crossed over
into your favoured Man U territory and thought about John FITZpatrick.

I personally cannot understand why Mark Ramprakash does not figure in the
selector's choice, I think they have left him out for so long it would
effectively be an admittance of their earlier lack of judgement, so he is
destined for the rest of his (I hope) long career to be the best current batsman
not to play for his country.

Back to Palace issues. They held out for most of the second-half with only 9 men
against Ipswich. Has any team ever gone down to 8 without conceding a goal, for
any meaningful period of a game? Also Palace have played 3 games without scoring
a goal. What is the longest time at the start of a season that a League team
have not registered a score?

Regards Bob Brown

--- On Sun, 8/24/08, bill laing wrote:

From: bill laing
Subject: Re: [Sixties and Seventies Soccer] Roger Kirkpatrick.
To: sixtiesandseventies soccer@yahoogrou ps.com
Date: Sunday, August 24, 2008, 1:07 AM

Martin Bodenham retired referee is now an umpire on the county circuit.Mark
Ramprakash,the best batsman in England by a country mile,posted 178 in the first
innings against Sussex this week.i was there for all 4 days.the press and TV
telling all and sundry that Ramps is struggling this year may have confused
some.he is top of the averages as per usual and has just gone past 1,000 runs
this season  -  for the 18th time.

as a general rule of thumb Cricket people are ten times as intelligent as
Football people.

--- On Sat, 23/8/08, Robert Brown wrote:

From: Robert Brown
Subject: Re: [Sixties and Seventies Soccer] Roger Kirkpatrick.
To: sixtiesandseventies soccer@yahoogrou ps.com
Date: Saturday, 23 August, 2008, 1:00 PM

Roger was now I recollect Fitzpatrick. The essence of a good ref of course is
that should be invisible, unless there is some sort of confrontation between the
players. That is difficult when the ref is transparently not of a shape to be a
player.

Whether former players make the best refs is I think a matter of debate.
Certainly former cricket players seem to make the best umpires. They have been
under much more pressure from TV though in recent years.

I can still remember when they introduced slo-mo replays for the first time on
TV back in the early 1970's (?) for cricket. An ITV comedy show did a very funny
sketch of Benaud and co. sitting at a restaurant table and tipping over the salt
cellar.

No-one from the football field seems to have been the equivalent of Dickie Bird.
I wonder why? Is it just they don't stay active refs long enough?

Bob Brown

--- On Sat, 8/23/08, oxonchap1 wrote:

From: oxonchap1
Subject: [Sixties and Seventies Soccer] Roger Kirkpatrick.
To: sixtiesandseventies soccer@yahoogrou ps.com
Date: Saturday, August 23, 2008, 12:17 PM

This is the man from those those days,I remember him too as well as eg
Jim Finney,Norman Burtenshaw,the butcher from Wolverhampton. .you know
who I mean (!) and Clive the "Prince of Wales" and more recently Rodger
Gifford,Ray Lewis and Dermot Gallagher.With the fitness-
tests,seminars, heart-rate monitoring (24 x 7) it is a profession
now,not a hobby (at the top|).However, Dermot in particular (sadly
retired now at 50) has a wonderfully dry sense of humour and the
players knew that certain actions would mean certain responses... as
night follows day !

Mervyn.

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re Ceefax.........it can take 3 minutes to reach a page (of 4) for a Cricket
score and 10 minutes to check shares if you arrive on the wrong page - hope that
makes sense

--- On Wed, 27/8/08, Robert Brown <bobbrownct@...> wrote:

From: Robert Brown <bobbrownct@...>
Subject: Re: [Sixties and Seventies Soccer] Opening season statistics
To: sixtiesandseventiessoccer@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, 27 August, 2008, 12:02 PM






Well Leeds took us to the cleaners last night, I liked the headline on ITV
Ceefax that it was a "Shock result" given they are Div 1!!
 
Would this be the first time, Bob/anyone, that Leeds have played Palace as a
lower League team? I was just wondering if in al our hops into and out of the
Premiership that we played Leeds while they weren't there.
Back when Leeds were in their pomp Palace were always the "giant-killers" in
every Cup encounter.
 
Bob
BTW I just wonder what the future is for Ceefax and its BBC equivalent given the
swing to digital technology? Useful for those like myself who aren't on
satellite, but it's very cumbersome by modern standards.

--- On Tue, 8/26/08, bill laing <billy318124@ yahoo.co. uk> wrote:

From: bill laing <billy318124@ yahoo.co. uk>
Subject: Re: [Sixties and Seventies Soccer] Opening season statistics
To: sixtiesandseventies soccer@yahoogrou ps.com
Date: Tuesday, August 26, 2008, 9:03 PM

i seem to remember a few blokes coming back to our local after Chelsea v Leeds a
few years back moaning like hell about Leeds (nothing new there) they had 2 sent
off in a 0 - 0 draw in which they camped in their own half........ .i think i've
remembered it right
 
all the best to all
 
Bill

--- On Tue, 26/8/08, Robert Brown <bobbrownct@ yahoo. com> wrote:

From: Robert Brown <bobbrownct@ yahoo. com>
Subject: Re: [Sixties and Seventies Soccer] Opening season statistics
To: sixtiesandseventies soccer@yahoogrou ps.com
Date: Tuesday, 26 August, 2008, 12:56 PM

That's an interesting bit of news Bill about a modern cross-over between the two
sports!
 
Right now I do not feel any more intelligent than anybody supporting either
sport, having not even looked at the email subject before I sent Saturday's
comments! Of course it was Roger KIRKpatrick, for some reason I crossed over
into your favoured Man U territory and thought about John FITZpatrick.
 
I personally cannot understand why Mark Ramprakash does not figure in the
selector's choice, I think they have left him out for so long it would
effectively be an admittance of their earlier lack of judgement, so he is
destined for the rest of his (I hope) long career to be the best current batsman
not to play for his country.
 
Back to Palace issues. They held out for most of the second-half with only 9 men
against Ipswich. Has any team ever gone down to 8 without conceding a goal, for
any meaningful period of a game? Also Palace have played 3 games without scoring
a goal. What is the longest time at the start of a season that a League team
have not registered a score?
 
Regards Bob Brown

--- On Sun, 8/24/08, bill laing <billy318124@ yahoo.co. uk> wrote:

From: bill laing <billy318124@ yahoo.co. uk>
Subject: Re: [Sixties and Seventies Soccer] Roger Kirkpatrick.
To: sixtiesandseventies soccer@yahoogrou ps.com
Date: Sunday, August 24, 2008, 1:07 AM

Martin Bodenham retired referee is now an umpire on the county circuit.Mark
Ramprakash,the best batsman in England by a country mile,posted 178 in the first
innings against Sussex this week.i was there for all 4 days.the press and TV
telling all and sundry that Ramps is struggling this year may have confused
some.he is top of the averages as per usual and has just gone past 1,000 runs
this season  -  for the 18th time.
 
as a general rule of thumb Cricket people are ten times as intelligent as
Football people.

--- On Sat, 23/8/08, Robert Brown <bobbrownct@ yahoo. com> wrote:

From: Robert Brown <bobbrownct@ yahoo. com>
Subject: Re: [Sixties and Seventies Soccer] Roger Kirkpatrick.
To: sixtiesandseventies soccer@yahoogrou ps.com
Date: Saturday, 23 August, 2008, 1:00 PM

Roger was now I recollect Fitzpatrick. The essence of a good ref of course is
that should be invisible, unless there is some sort of confrontation between the
players. That is difficult when the ref is transparently not of a shape to be a
player.
 
Whether former players make the best refs is I think a matter of debate.
Certainly former cricket players seem to make the best umpires. They have been
under much more pressure from TV though in recent years.
 
I can still remember when they introduced slo-mo replays for the first time on
TV back in the early 1970's (?) for cricket. An ITV comedy show did a very funny
sketch of Benaud and co. sitting at a restaurant table and tipping over the salt
cellar.
 
No-one from the football field seems to have been the equivalent of Dickie Bird.
I wonder why? Is it just they don't stay active refs long enough?
 
Bob Brown

--- On Sat, 8/23/08, oxonchap1 <oxonchap1@yahoo. co.uk> wrote:

From: oxonchap1 <oxonchap1@yahoo. co.uk>
Subject: [Sixties and Seventies Soccer] Roger Kirkpatrick.
To: sixtiesandseventies soccer@yahoogrou ps.com
Date: Saturday, August 23, 2008, 12:17 PM

This is the man from those those days,I remember him too as well as eg
Jim Finney,Norman Burtenshaw,the butcher from Wolverhampton. .you know
who I mean (!) and Clive the "Prince of Wales" and more recently Rodger
Gifford,Ray Lewis and Dermot Gallagher.With the fitness-
tests,seminars, heart-rate monitoring (24 x 7) it is a profession
now,not a hobby (at the top|).However, Dermot in particular (sadly
retired now at 50) has a wonderfully dry sense of humour and the
players knew that certain actions would mean certain responses... as
night follows day !

Mervyn.

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Just a few notes on this before I give it back to the library!

It seems to have been prepared in great haste, given by the number of printer's
errors and mispellings. Kenny seems to have great troubly spelling Vince
Hilaire's name correctly, there are about 3 different incorrect versions of it.
At one point her refers to Pat Jennings as the Palace veteran goalkeeper when he
obviously means John Burridge.
There is a lot of earnest soul-searching about his decline at Arsenal, and the
lifestyle that preceded it. It seems he was protected from the problems of high
living at Palace.
Kenny is to be applauded for his frankness, and for trying to warn the young
players of today not to go down the same road. I just wish he'd employed a
better proof-reader. And maybe Steve Hodge will be a bit annoyed to have been
blamed (in my view) for England losing to Argentina at the 1986 World Cup!

Bob Brown

Well Leeds took us to the cleaners last night, I liked the headline on ITV
Ceefax that it was a "Shock result" given they are Div 1!!
 
Would this be the first time, Bob/anyone, that Leeds have played Palace as a
lower League team? I was just wondering if in al our hops into and out of the
Premiership that we played Leeds while they weren't there.
Back when Leeds were in their pomp Palace were always the "giant-killers" in
every Cup encounter.
 
Bob
BTW I just wonder what the future is for Ceefax and its BBC equivalent given the
swing to digital technology? Useful for those like myself who aren't on
satellite, but it's very cumbersome by modern standards.

--- On Tue, 8/26/08, bill laing <billy318124@...> wrote:

From: bill laing <billy318124@...>
Subject: Re: [Sixties and Seventies Soccer] Opening season statistics
To: sixtiesandseventiessoccer@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, August 26, 2008, 9:03 PM






i seem to remember a few blokes coming back to our local after Chelsea v Leeds a
few years back moaning like hell about Leeds (nothing new there) they had 2 sent
off in a 0 - 0 draw in which they camped in their own half........ .i think i've
remembered it right
 
all the best to all
 
Bill

--- On Tue, 26/8/08, Robert Brown <bobbrownct@yahoo. com> wrote:

From: Robert Brown <bobbrownct@yahoo. com>
Subject: Re: [Sixties and Seventies Soccer] Opening season statistics
To: sixtiesandseventies soccer@yahoogrou ps.com
Date: Tuesday, 26 August, 2008, 12:56 PM

That's an interesting bit of news Bill about a modern cross-over between the two
sports!
 
Right now I do not feel any more intelligent than anybody supporting either
sport, having not even looked at the email subject before I sent Saturday's
comments! Of course it was Roger KIRKpatrick, for some reason I crossed over
into your favoured Man U territory and thought about John FITZpatrick.
 
I personally cannot understand why Mark Ramprakash does not figure in the
selector's choice, I think they have left him out for so long it would
effectively be an admittance of their earlier lack of judgement, so he is
destined for the rest of his (I hope) long career to be the best current batsman
not to play for his country.
 
Back to Palace issues. They held out for most of the second-half with only 9 men
against Ipswich. Has any team ever gone down to 8 without conceding a goal, for
any meaningful period of a game? Also Palace have played 3 games without scoring
a goal. What is the longest time at the start of a season that a League team
have not registered a score?
 
Regards Bob Brown

--- On Sun, 8/24/08, bill laing <billy318124@ yahoo.co. uk> wrote:

From: bill laing <billy318124@ yahoo.co. uk>
Subject: Re: [Sixties and Seventies Soccer] Roger Kirkpatrick.
To: sixtiesandseventies soccer@yahoogrou ps.com
Date: Sunday, August 24, 2008, 1:07 AM

Martin Bodenham retired referee is now an umpire on the county circuit.Mark
Ramprakash,the best batsman in England by a country mile,posted 178 in the first
innings against Sussex this week.i was there for all 4 days.the press and TV
telling all and sundry that Ramps is struggling this year may have confused
some.he is top of the averages as per usual and has just gone past 1,000 runs
this season  -  for the 18th time.
 
as a general rule of thumb Cricket people are ten times as intelligent as
Football people.

--- On Sat, 23/8/08, Robert Brown <bobbrownct@ yahoo. com> wrote:

From: Robert Brown <bobbrownct@ yahoo. com>
Subject: Re: [Sixties and Seventies Soccer] Roger Kirkpatrick.
To: sixtiesandseventies soccer@yahoogrou ps.com
Date: Saturday, 23 August, 2008, 1:00 PM

Roger was now I recollect Fitzpatrick. The essence of a good ref of course is
that should be invisible, unless there is some sort of confrontation between the
players. That is difficult when the ref is transparently not of a shape to be a
player.
 
Whether former players make the best refs is I think a matter of debate.
Certainly former cricket players seem to make the best umpires. They have been
under much more pressure from TV though in recent years.
 
I can still remember when they introduced slo-mo replays for the first time on
TV back in the early 1970's (?) for cricket. An ITV comedy show did a very funny
sketch of Benaud and co. sitting at a restaurant table and tipping over the salt
cellar.
 
No-one from the football field seems to have been the equivalent of Dickie Bird.
I wonder why? Is it just they don't stay active refs long enough?
 
Bob Brown

--- On Sat, 8/23/08, oxonchap1 <oxonchap1@yahoo. co.uk> wrote:

From: oxonchap1 <oxonchap1@yahoo. co.uk>
Subject: [Sixties and Seventies Soccer] Roger Kirkpatrick.
To: sixtiesandseventies soccer@yahoogrou ps.com
Date: Saturday, August 23, 2008, 12:17 PM

This is the man from those those days,I remember him too as well as eg
Jim Finney,Norman Burtenshaw,the butcher from Wolverhampton. .you know
who I mean (!) and Clive the "Prince of Wales" and more recently Rodger
Gifford,Ray Lewis and Dermot Gallagher.With the fitness-
tests,seminars, heart-rate monitoring (24 x 7) it is a profession
now,not a hobby (at the top|).However, Dermot in particular (sadly
retired now at 50) has a wonderfully dry sense of humour and the
players knew that certain actions would mean certain responses... as
night follows day !

Mervyn.

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i seem to remember a few blokes coming back to our local after Chelsea v Leeds a
few years back moaning like hell about Leeds (nothing new there) they had 2 sent
off in a 0 - 0 draw in which they camped in their own half.........i think i've
remembered it right
 
all the best to all
 
Bill

--- On Tue, 26/8/08, Robert Brown <bobbrownct@...> wrote:

From: Robert Brown <bobbrownct@...>
Subject: Re: [Sixties and Seventies Soccer] Opening season statistics
To: sixtiesandseventiessoccer@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, 26 August, 2008, 12:56 PM






That's an interesting bit of news Bill about a modern cross-over between the two
sports!
 
Right now I do not feel any more intelligent than anybody supporting either
sport, having not even looked at the email subject before I sent Saturday's
comments! Of course it was Roger KIRKpatrick, for some reason I crossed over
into your favoured Man U territory and thought about John FITZpatrick.
 
I personally cannot understand why Mark Ramprakash does not figure in the
selector's choice, I think they have left him out for so long it would
effectively be an admittance of their earlier lack of judgement, so he is
destined for the rest of his (I hope) long career to be the best current batsman
not to play for his country.
 
Back to Palace issues. They held out for most of the second-half with only 9 men
against Ipswich. Has any team ever gone down to 8 without conceding a goal, for
any meaningful period of a game? Also Palace have played 3 games without scoring
a goal. What is the longest time at the start of a season that a League team
have not registered a score?
 
Regards Bob Brown

--- On Sun, 8/24/08, bill laing <billy318124@ yahoo.co. uk> wrote:

From: bill laing <billy318124@ yahoo.co. uk>
Subject: Re: [Sixties and Seventies Soccer] Roger Kirkpatrick.
To: sixtiesandseventies soccer@yahoogrou ps.com
Date: Sunday, August 24, 2008, 1:07 AM

Martin Bodenham retired referee is now an umpire on the county circuit.Mark
Ramprakash,the best batsman in England by a country mile,posted 178 in the first
innings against Sussex this week.i was there for all 4 days.the press and TV
telling all and sundry that Ramps is struggling this year may have confused
some.he is top of the averages as per usual and has just gone past 1,000 runs
this season  -  for the 18th time.
 
as a general rule of thumb Cricket people are ten times as intelligent as
Football people.

--- On Sat, 23/8/08, Robert Brown <bobbrownct@ yahoo. com> wrote:

From: Robert Brown <bobbrownct@ yahoo. com>
Subject: Re: [Sixties and Seventies Soccer] Roger Kirkpatrick.
To: sixtiesandseventies soccer@yahoogrou ps.com
Date: Saturday, 23 August, 2008, 1:00 PM

Roger was now I recollect Fitzpatrick. The essence of a good ref of course is
that should be invisible, unless there is some sort of confrontation between the
players. That is difficult when the ref is transparently not of a shape to be a
player.
 
Whether former players make the best refs is I think a matter of debate.
Certainly former cricket players seem to make the best umpires. They have been
under much more pressure from TV though in recent years.
 
I can still remember when they introduced slo-mo replays for the first time on
TV back in the early 1970's (?) for cricket. An ITV comedy show did a very funny
sketch of Benaud and co. sitting at a restaurant table and tipping over the salt
cellar.
 
No-one from the football field seems to have been the equivalent of Dickie Bird.
I wonder why? Is it just they don't stay active refs long enough?
 
Bob Brown

--- On Sat, 8/23/08, oxonchap1 <oxonchap1@yahoo. co.uk> wrote:

From: oxonchap1 <oxonchap1@yahoo. co.uk>
Subject: [Sixties and Seventies Soccer] Roger Kirkpatrick.
To: sixtiesandseventies soccer@yahoogrou ps.com
Date: Saturday, August 23, 2008, 12:17 PM

This is the man from those those days,I remember him too as well as eg
Jim Finney,Norman Burtenshaw,the butcher from Wolverhampton. .you know
who I mean (!) and Clive the "Prince of Wales" and more recently Rodger
Gifford,Ray Lewis and Dermot Gallagher.With the fitness-
tests,seminars, heart-rate monitoring (24 x 7) it is a profession
now,not a hobby (at the top|).However, Dermot in particular (sadly
retired now at 50) has a wonderfully dry sense of humour and the
players knew that certain actions would mean certain responses... as
night follows day !

Mervyn.

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That's an interesting bit of news Bill about a modern cross-over between the two
sports!
 
Right now I do not feel any more intelligent than anybody supporting either
sport, having not even looked at the email subject before I sent Saturday's
comments! Of course it was Roger KIRKpatrick, for some reason I crossed over
into your favoured Man U territory and thought about John FITZpatrick.
 
I personally cannot understand why Mark Ramprakash does not figure in the
selector's choice, I think they have left him out for so long it would
effectively be an admittance of their earlier lack of judgement, so he is
destined for the rest of his (I hope) long career to be the best current batsman
not to play for his country.
 
Back to Palace issues. They held out for most of the second-half with only 9 men
against Ipswich. Has any team ever gone down to 8 without conceding a goal, for
any meaningful period of a game? Also Palace have played 3 games without scoring
a goal. What is the longest time at the start of a season that a League team
have not registered a score?
 
Regards Bob Brown

--- On Sun, 8/24/08, bill laing <billy318124@...> wrote:

From: bill laing <billy318124@...>
Subject: Re: [Sixties and Seventies Soccer] Roger Kirkpatrick.
To: sixtiesandseventiessoccer@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, August 24, 2008, 1:07 AM






Martin Bodenham retired referee is now an umpire on the county circuit.Mark
Ramprakash,the best batsman in England by a country mile,posted 178 in the first
innings against Sussex this week.i was there for all 4 days.the press and TV
telling all and sundry that Ramps is struggling this year may have confused
some.he is top of the averages as per usual and has just gone past 1,000 runs
this season  -  for the 18th time.
 
as a general rule of thumb Cricket people are ten times as intelligent as
Football people.

--- On Sat, 23/8/08, Robert Brown <bobbrownct@yahoo. com> wrote:

From: Robert Brown <bobbrownct@yahoo. com>
Subject: Re: [Sixties and Seventies Soccer] Roger Kirkpatrick.
To: sixtiesandseventies soccer@yahoogrou ps.com
Date: Saturday, 23 August, 2008, 1:00 PM

Roger was now I recollect Fitzpatrick. The essence of a good ref of course is
that should be invisible, unless there is some sort of confrontation between the
players. That is difficult when the ref is transparently not of a shape to be a
player.
 
Whether former players make the best refs is I think a matter of debate.
Certainly former cricket players seem to make the best umpires. They have been
under much more pressure from TV though in recent years.
 
I can still remember when they introduced slo-mo replays for the first time on
TV back in the early 1970's (?) for cricket. An ITV comedy show did a very funny
sketch of Benaud and co. sitting at a restaurant table and tipping over the salt
cellar.
 
No-one from the football field seems to have been the equivalent of Dickie Bird.
I wonder why? Is it just they don't stay active refs long enough?
 
Bob Brown

--- On Sat, 8/23/08, oxonchap1 <oxonchap1@yahoo. co.uk> wrote:

From: oxonchap1 <oxonchap1@yahoo. co.uk>
Subject: [Sixties and Seventies Soccer] Roger Kirkpatrick.
To: sixtiesandseventies soccer@yahoogrou ps.com
Date: Saturday, August 23, 2008, 12:17 PM

This is the man from those those days,I remember him too as well as eg
Jim Finney,Norman Burtenshaw,the butcher from Wolverhampton. .you know
who I mean (!) and Clive the "Prince of Wales" and more recently Rodger
Gifford,Ray Lewis and Dermot Gallagher.With the fitness-
tests,seminars, heart-rate monitoring (24 x 7) it is a profession
now,not a hobby (at the top|).However, Dermot in particular (sadly
retired now at 50) has a wonderfully dry sense of humour and the
players knew that certain actions would mean certain responses... as
night follows day !

Mervyn.

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Now,now...proof that cricket people are more intelligent than in
football ? Definition ?  Ask Wenger or Coppell ?!  There are people who
communicate/interact easily and those who do not.Einstein was a wotsit
at school,possibly written-off for not being clever !  Ceri Evans of
Oxford United at one time was a Rhodes scholar at Worcester
College,Oxford..played for Oxford then as a lucum doctor,now back in
New Zealand (50 caps as a player) an expert in
dermatology.However,there are some whpo may not be the sharpest tool in
the tool-kit in football and cricket.

Ex-professionals are almost exclusively not good referees.Part of it is
lack of application.If you were paid hundreds of thousands of pounds a
year,then join a "calling" where the fee would not fuel your car for
the fixture,would you do it ? I know someone who has now completed 3000
games in his career,he would be furious if someone passed him by
quickly in system just because they could kick a ball.Incidentally I
know two people who did both at a good level..umpiring and
refereeing..when not playing golf !

Mervyn.

Martin Bodenham retired referee is now an umpire on the county circuit.Mark
Ramprakash,the best batsman in England by a country mile,posted 178 in the first
innings against Sussex this week.i was there for all 4 days.the press and TV
telling all and sundry that Ramps is struggling this year may have confused
some.he is top of the averages as per usual and has just gone past 1,000 runs
this season  -  for the 18th time.
 
as a general rule of thumb Cricket people are ten times as intelligent as
Football people.

--- On Sat, 23/8/08, Robert Brown <bobbrownct@...> wrote:

From: Robert Brown <bobbrownct@...>
Subject: Re: [Sixties and Seventies Soccer] Roger Kirkpatrick.
To: sixtiesandseventiessoccer@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, 23 August, 2008, 1:00 PM






Roger was now I recollect Fitzpatrick. The essence of a good ref of course is
that should be invisible, unless there is some sort of confrontation between the
players. That is difficult when the ref is transparently not of a shape to be a
player.
 
Whether former players make the best refs is I think a matter of debate.
Certainly former cricket players seem to make the best umpires. They have been
under much more pressure from TV though in recent years.
 
I can still remember when they introduced slo-mo replays for the first time on
TV back in the early 1970's (?) for cricket. An ITV comedy show did a very funny
sketch of Benaud and co. sitting at a restaurant table and tipping over the salt
cellar.
 
No-one from the football field seems to have been the equivalent of Dickie Bird.
I wonder why? Is it just they don't stay active refs long enough?
 
Bob Brown

--- On Sat, 8/23/08, oxonchap1 <oxonchap1@yahoo. co.uk> wrote:

From: oxonchap1 <oxonchap1@yahoo. co.uk>
Subject: [Sixties and Seventies Soccer] Roger Kirkpatrick.
To: sixtiesandseventies soccer@yahoogrou ps.com
Date: Saturday, August 23, 2008, 12:17 PM

This is the man from those those days,I remember him too as well as eg
Jim Finney,Norman Burtenshaw,the butcher from Wolverhampton. .you know
who I mean (!) and Clive the "Prince of Wales" and more recently Rodger
Gifford,Ray Lewis and Dermot Gallagher.With the fitness-
tests,seminars, heart-rate monitoring (24 x 7) it is a profession
now,not a hobby (at the top|).However, Dermot in particular (sadly
retired now at 50) has a wonderfully dry sense of humour and the
players knew that certain actions would mean certain responses... as
night follows day !

Mervyn.

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Roger was now I recollect Fitzpatrick. The essence of a good ref of course is
that should be invisible, unless there is some sort of confrontation between the
players. That is difficult when the ref is transparently not of a shape to be a
player.
 
Whether former players make the best refs is I think a matter of debate.
Certainly former cricket players seem to make the best umpires. They have been
under much more pressure from TV though in recent years.
 
I can still remember when they introduced slo-mo replays for the first time on
TV back in the early 1970's (?) for cricket. An ITV comedy show did a very funny
sketch of Benaud and co. sitting at a restaurant table and tipping over the salt
cellar.
 
No-one from the football field seems to have been the equivalent of Dickie Bird.
I wonder why? Is it just they don't stay active refs long enough?
 
Bob Brown

--- On Sat, 8/23/08, oxonchap1 <oxonchap1@...> wrote:

From: oxonchap1 <oxonchap1@...>
Subject: [Sixties and Seventies Soccer] Roger Kirkpatrick.
To: sixtiesandseventiessoccer@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, August 23, 2008, 12:17 PM






This is the man from those those days,I remember him too as well as eg
Jim Finney,Norman Burtenshaw,the butcher from Wolverhampton. .you know
who I mean (!) and Clive the "Prince of Wales" and more recently Rodger
Gifford,Ray Lewis and Dermot Gallagher.With the fitness-
tests,seminars, heart-rate monitoring (24 x 7) it is a profession
now,not a hobby (at the top|).However, Dermot in particular (sadly
retired now at 50) has a wonderfully dry sense of humour and the
players knew that certain actions would mean certain responses... as
night follows day !

Mervyn.


















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This is the man from those those days,I remember him too as well as eg
Jim Finney,Norman Burtenshaw,the butcher from Wolverhampton..you know
who I mean (!) and Clive the "Prince of Wales" and more recently Rodger
Gifford,Ray Lewis and Dermot Gallagher.With the fitness-
tests,seminars,heart-rate monitoring (24 x 7) it is a profession
now,not a hobby (at the top|).However,Dermot in particular (sadly
retired now at 50) has a wonderfully dry sense of humour and the
players knew that certain actions would mean certain responses...as
night follows day !

Mervyn.

We don't seem to have the "character" referees now either. Who was the big fat
jolly one, Roger....   was it?
 
 I always thought the best ref job I ever saw was about 1994 when our world Cup
ref - his name too escapes me - handled a Real Madrid - AC Milan game in the
European Cup, I think it must have been the semi-final second leg. How he
managed to keep the sides from all-out war, I'll never know.
 
Bob Brown

--- On Thu, 8/21/08, Terry Morley <terry@...> wrote:

From: Terry Morley <terry@...>
Subject: RE: [Sixties and Seventies Soccer] Mr.D.Freedman.
To: sixtiesandseventiessoccer@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, August 21, 2008, 11:05 AM






Of course he lost, the ref is always right, even when he is wrong !
As my instructor proved when I took my refs badge many moons ago. Though to be
honest I thought his methods made him look a poor referee.

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From: "oxonchap1"
To: sixtiesandseventies soccer@yahoogrou ps.com
Cc:
Subject: [Sixties and Seventies Soccer] Mr.D.Freedman.

I have to tell you chaps that I was at a referee seminar on Sunday and
there was a mock commission,to show young referees what the procedure
was.Who was the "fictional" player appealing... ? Yes...Mr.Freedman !
(He lost).

Mervyn.

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Of course he lost, the ref is always right, even when he is wrong !
As my instructor proved when I took my refs badge many moons ago. Though to be
honest I thought his methods made him look a poor referee.





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Message Received: Aug 21 2008, 10:27 AM
From: "oxonchap1"
To: sixtiesandseventiessoccer@yahoogroups.com
Cc:
Subject: [Sixties and Seventies Soccer] Mr.D.Freedman.

I have to tell you chaps that I was at a referee seminar on Sunday and
there was a mock commission,to show young referees what the procedure
was.Who was the "fictional" player appealing...? Yes...Mr.Freedman !
(He lost).

Mervyn.




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I have to tell you chaps that I was at a referee seminar on Sunday and
there was a mock commission,to show young referees what the procedure
was.Who was the "fictional" player appealing...?  Yes...Mr.Freedman !
(He lost).

Mervyn.

Yes sadly so Terry.
 
Ken Bates must have had his ears bunged up if he ever spoke with Dougie, you can
cut his Scottish burr with a claymore!
 
Bob
 
Was just speculating with a Bees fan last night about Dowie's future at QPR,
with nul points from 2 games I think their rich backers will be hackered off
soon. He really has gone downhill since his glory days at Selhurst.

--- On Wed, 8/20/08, Terry Morley <terry@...> wrote:

From: Terry Morley <terry@...>
Subject: Re: [Sixties and Seventies Soccer] Leeds v Crystal Palace
To: sixtiesandseventiessoccer@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, August 20, 2008, 8:51 AM






I see cuddly Ken has said that there is no way they will sign Freedman, who he
obviously got to know well when he was there - he described him as a good east
end boy, who would not want to move his family north. - I'm not sure what part
of Glasgow Freedmand was born in, but Bates must have learnt Geography with Iain
Dowie !
Afraid to say that we have seen the last of Dougie in a Palace shirt - he is now
one of 5 players in the squad that appear surplus to requirements.

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Message Received: Aug 15 2008, 03:32 PM
From: "Robert Brown"
To: sixtiesandseventies soccer@yahoogrou ps.com
Cc:
Subject: Re: [Sixties and Seventies Soccer] Leeds v Crystal Palace

Yes it is an interesting draw Bob.

I went to see the Freedman testimonial and although many of the invited players
who spoke in tribute of Dougie seemed to imply that his career at Palace was
over - for the present, anyway - as far as I know he is still signed for us. I'm
surprised that Leeds did not make a bid for him permanently or for (say) a loan
for the season.

It has to be said though that the body language between Dougie and Jason
Beckford in the play-off final did not look too good. It would be ironic if
Warnock chose to play Dougie in the Leeds game, although not impossible given
that the League Cup often gets used for the "shadow" players.

One to watch at Elland Road will be Nick Carle who scored in only his second
match for us, versus Hereford. A player to keep tabs on for the future....

Bob Brown

--- On Fri, 8/15/08, Bob Dunning <bob_dunning_ uk@yahoo. co.uk> wrote:

From: Bob Dunning <bob_dunning_ uk@yahoo. co.uk>
Subject: [Sixties and Seventies Soccer] Leeds v Crystal Palace
To: sixtiesandseventies soccer@yahoogrou ps.com
Date: Friday, August 15, 2008, 12:42 AM

Well what do you know! I'm genuinely curious as to what reception Shaun
Derry will get, I think Dennis Wise fell out with him, but Leeds fans
hate Dennis Wise, so they might actually still like him - certainly
that's what my money on.

I remember Dennis Irwin coming back to Leeds with Man U and everyone
booing him, I just couldn't do it because to me he was still one of the
greats of the 80s Eddie Gray team which all fans of the time worshiped.

I would boo with the best of them if we ever played Portsmouth and Joe
Jordan was there though... Some things you can just never forgive no
matter how long the passage of time.

Bob7071

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Bit like a Northern later version of Alan Mullery then, Terry! I think venom
would be too soft for what Palace gave "Mullers", all aspects of his life
including his sexual preferences were ridiculed...
At least Brian Horton has never (yet) managed Palace! I can still remember the
utter disbelief and disgust when I heard the news we had offered the job to
Mullers.
 
Bob Brown

--- On Wed, 8/20/08, Terry Morley <terry@...> wrote:

From: Terry Morley <terry@...>
Subject: RE: [Sixties and Seventies Soccer] Eamon Dunphy book.
To: sixtiesandseventiessoccer@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, August 20, 2008, 8:46 AM






Brian Horton used to get terrible stick at Palace, he upset quite a few when he
came down to Selhurst with Port Vale, [that was when they played in those silly
white shirts with black & white striped sleeves]. Horton then compounded his
error by signing for Brighton. The stick he received then was venomous. Trouble
is, he was one of those players that you secretly wished played for your team.

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Message Received: Aug 19 2008, 08:13 PM
From: "oxonchap1"
To: sixtiesandseventies soccer@yahoogrou ps.com
Cc:
Subject: [Sixties and Seventies Soccer] Eamon Dunphy book.

At that time I was reffing South-East Counties games and similar.I was
also writing a dissertation on "Education and Training in Professional
Football,with a focus on the YTS at Oxford United".An
educational/ sociological piece of work.
Sounds boring,but not for a footy person ! Brian Horton was club
manager...fearsome !! Now Assistant at Hull I think after managing Man
City/Huddersfield/ Port Vale/Macclesfield. David Moss was his
assistant... like Cloghie and Taylor...Malcolm Allison and Tony Book.

Mervyn.

PS Oxford away to Barrow,first game re-created the first league game
for us at Barrow in 1962.I was too young for a long journey (6 hours
now,probably 9 hours then),so watched the reserves at home in the
Metropolitan League instead ! There is an old league from the 60's !!

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Hi Mervyn, in those days I always took an interest in the Croydon team then,
known as Croydon Amateurs. They were in the Spartan League at that time.
 
For some reason, probably to do with the origins of Amateur football in the
Universities and the Corinthians, all the amateur leagues in the south-east had
Greek classic conections. Isthmian, Athenian, Spartan and I think there was a
Hellenic League. And wasn't there a Trojan league too?
 
Croydon Amateurs I think are now Croydon but there is another non-league side
there, is it Croydon Athletic? There was much talk at some stage of renaming
Crystal Palace something like Croydon United, as being Croydon's effective
league club.
 
Talk about people following each other around, Micky Adams was at Brentford more
than 10 years ago. Around that time - possibly just before - the Bees had Nicky
Forster up front. Now Brighton have Micky with Nicky up front!!

--- On Tue, 8/19/08, oxonchap1 <oxonchap1@...> wrote:

From: oxonchap1 <oxonchap1@...>
Subject: [Sixties and Seventies Soccer] Eamon Dunphy book.
To: sixtiesandseventiessoccer@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, August 19, 2008, 8:12 PM






At that time I was reffing South-East Counties games and similar.I was
also writing a dissertation on "Education and Training in Professional
Football,with a focus on the YTS at Oxford United".An
educational/ sociological piece of work.
Sounds boring,but not for a footy person ! Brian Horton was club
manager...fearsome !! Now Assistant at Hull I think after managing Man
City/Huddersfield/ Port Vale/Macclesfield. David Moss was his
assistant... like Cloghie and Taylor...Malcolm Allison and Tony Book.

Mervyn.

PS Oxford away to Barrow,first game re-created the first league game
for us at Barrow in 1962.I was too young for a long journey (6 hours
now,probably 9 hours then),so watched the reserves at home in the
Metropolitan League instead ! There is an old league from the 60's !!


















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Bob, I assume Ferdindand and Smith wouldn't get much of a welcome if they ever
turned up at Elland Road again. What's the history between you and Man Utd. Is
it just because they keep buying your better players - Jordan, McQueen, Irwin,
Cantona, Ferdinand, Smith. I woud have imagined that LIverpool would have been
more your historical rivals from the Revie era, Man Utd were not much of a
challenge to you then, and the did let you have one of their reserves who turned
into the lynchpin of Revies team - Johnny Giles.





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Message Received: Aug 18 2008, 12:41 AM
From: "Bob Dunning"
To: sixtiesandseventiessoccer@yahoogroups.com
Cc:
Subject: [Sixties and Seventies Soccer] Re: Leeds v Crystal Palace

Sadly I can't go, but even Leeds fielded a reserve team virtually last
season. It was when we found out that we had no depth in the squad! Not
that many 3rd Division teams do.

Bob7071




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I see cuddly Ken has said that there is no way they will sign Freedman, who he
obviously got to know well when he was there - he described him as a good east
end boy, who would not want to move his family north. - I'm not sure what part
of Glasgow Freedmand was born in, but Bates must have learnt Geography with Iain
Dowie !
Afraid to say that we have seen the last of Dougie in a Palace shirt - he is now
one of 5 players in the squad that appear surplus to requirements.





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Message Received: Aug 15 2008, 03:32 PM
From: "Robert Brown"
To: sixtiesandseventiessoccer@yahoogroups.com
Cc:
Subject: Re: [Sixties and Seventies Soccer] Leeds v Crystal Palace

Yes it is an interesting draw Bob.

I went to see the Freedman testimonial and although many of the invited players
who spoke in tribute of Dougie seemed to imply that his career at Palace was
over - for the present, anyway - as far as I know he is still signed for us. I'm
surprised that Leeds did not make a bid for him permanently or for (say) a loan
for the season.

It has to be said though that the body language between Dougie and Jason
Beckford in the play-off final did not look too good. It would be ironic if
Warnock chose to play Dougie in the Leeds game, although not impossible given
that the League Cup often gets used for the "shadow" players.

One to watch at Elland Road will be Nick Carle who scored in only his second
match for us, versus Hereford. A player to keep tabs on for the future....

Bob Brown

--- On Fri, 8/15/08, Bob Dunning <bob_dunning_uk@...> wrote:

From: Bob Dunning <bob_dunning_uk@...>
Subject: [Sixties and Seventies Soccer] Leeds v Crystal Palace
To: sixtiesandseventiessoccer@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, August 15, 2008, 12:42 AM

Well what do you know! I'm genuinely curious as to what reception Shaun
Derry will get, I think Dennis Wise fell out with him, but Leeds fans
hate Dennis Wise, so they might actually still like him - certainly
that's what my money on.

I remember Dennis Irwin coming back to Leeds with Man U and everyone
booing him, I just couldn't do it because to me he was still one of the
greats of the 80s Eddie Gray team which all fans of the time worshiped.

I would boo with the best of them if we ever played Portsmouth and Joe
Jordan was there though... Some things you can just never forgive no
matter how long the passage of time.

Bob7071

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Brian Horton used to get terrible stick at Palace, he upset quite a few when he
came down to Selhurst with Port Vale, [that was when they played in those silly
white shirts with black & white striped sleeves]. Horton then compounded his
error by signing for Brighton. The stick he received then was venomous. Trouble
is, he was one of those players that you secretly wished played for your team.





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Message Received: Aug 19 2008, 08:13 PM
From: "oxonchap1"
To: sixtiesandseventiessoccer@yahoogroups.com
Cc:
Subject: [Sixties and Seventies Soccer] Eamon Dunphy book.

At that time I was reffing South-East Counties games and similar.I was
also writing a dissertation on "Education and Training in Professional
Football,with a focus on the YTS at Oxford United".An
educational/sociological piece of work.
Sounds boring,but not for a footy person ! Brian Horton was club
manager...fearsome !! Now Assistant at Hull I think after managing Man
City/Huddersfield/Port Vale/Macclesfield.David Moss was his
assistant...like Cloghie and Taylor...Malcolm Allison and Tony Book.

Mervyn.

PS Oxford away to Barrow,first game re-created the first league game
for us at Barrow in 1962.I was too young for a long journey (6 hours
now,probably 9 hours then),so watched the reserves at home in the
Metropolitan League instead ! There is an old league from the 60's !!




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At that time I was reffing South-East Counties games and similar.I was
also writing a dissertation on "Education and Training in Professional
Football,with a focus on the YTS at Oxford United".An
educational/sociological piece of work.
Sounds boring,but not for a footy person !  Brian Horton was club
manager...fearsome !!  Now Assistant at Hull I think after managing Man
City/Huddersfield/Port Vale/Macclesfield.David Moss was his
assistant...like Cloghie and Taylor...Malcolm Allison and Tony Book.

Mervyn.


PS Oxford away to Barrow,first game re-created the first league game
for us at Barrow in 1962.I was too young for a long journey (6 hours
now,probably 9 hours then),so watched the reserves at home in the
Metropolitan League instead ! There is an old league from the 60's !!

Who did you field on Saturday then, Bob? About the last result I expected to
see, losing at home 2-0 against Oldham!
 
Palace didn't do any better, the knives are out for Warnock already. Morrison is
playing well for Coventry and Dougie Freeman is on the transfer list together
with kuqi who hardly played for Palace anyway last season.
 
The vaunted QPR side also came unstuck I notice.
 
Bob Brown

--- On Mon, 8/18/08, Bob Dunning <bob_dunning_uk@...> wrote:

From: Bob Dunning <bob_dunning_uk@...>
Subject: [Sixties and Seventies Soccer] Re: Leeds v Crystal Palace
To: sixtiesandseventiessoccer@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, August 18, 2008, 12:35 AM






Sadly I can't go, but even Leeds fielded a reserve team virtually last
season. It was when we found out that we had no depth in the squad! Not
that many 3rd Division teams do.

Bob7071


















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Sadly I can't go, but even Leeds fielded a reserve team virtually last
season. It was when we found out that we had no depth in the squad! Not
that many 3rd Division teams do.

Bob7071