Given the positive response I've received for support on brevets past
and future,
I think SFR is in a better place now to be able to support a smaller ride, and
the mixed terrain rides might draw a bigger crowd now anyway and
justify support. I'd like to go
ahead with this as a potential formal RUSA sanctioned ride for the
(late) 2008 or 2009 seasons.

Carlos, Scott has given me a lot of help already with planning routes
for SFR, and you
may have met him on our 300km this year at the Safeway in Healdsburg. Scott was
wearing a wool RUSA jersey if I remember correctly, and I think that
is where Bruce and I
ran into you or were with you there anyway.

rob hawks

On Thu, Jul 10, 2008 at 10:07 AM, C. Duque <cduquenot@...> wrote:
> Scott, thanks for the offer, that would be great. Just let me know
> what you need or better yet join us on a ride so you get an idea of
> the routes//terrain. I think the "Mixed Terrain 101" (see below) is a
> perfect candidate for this.
>
> There may be a SFR mixed terrain route that has RUSA's seal of
> approval already. I developed a route and Todd improved on it and made
> it 100k. It was part of the SFR 2005 season schedule, July 10th.
> Unfortunately it was canceled due to low registration, I think about 6
> people registered. Scouting this route started it all for me. It has a
> very small percentage of fire road riding (~10 miles) but significant
> climbing (~9800 ft). Starts at the bridge then uses the same headlands
> route I use in many routes, joins Panoramic Hwy, climbs to the top of
> Mt Tam, descends to Hwy 1, head North on Hwy 1, Muir Woods, then Mill
> Valley, Camino Alto, half the Paradise loop and back to SF via
> Sausalito. BTW I have the cue sheet, Map and original Information
> document if anyone is interested.
>
> I personally like the "Mixed Terrain 101" route better as it offers a
> better variety of terrain and views and has been done on all sorts of
> bikes from fixed gear 20" folders, to fully fendered randonneuring
> machines and all in between. The Bridge to Camino Alto, the whole
> Paradise loop, Up Mt Tam via the Old Railroad Grade, West Point Inn,
> Pantoll, Panoramic to Miwok trail, the headlands back to the bridge.
> It is ~50 miles but if needed some very scenic miles can be easily
> added to make it 100k.
>
> Carlos
>
> On Wed, Jul 9, 2008 at 10:02 PM, Scott Brittle
> <scott.brittle@...> wrote:
>> Seems like most recent "Mixed Terrain" rides have been semi-organized
>> group rides, so it might be more appropriate to get one of these
>> routes certified as a RUSA Populaire and then get it scheduled. I'm
>> certainly available to help build this route so that it can meet the
>> RUSA route requirements, pass certification, and still be a Mixed
>> Terrain event that is rideable within the time limits. Let me know
>> if there is interest in this.
>>
>> Scott Brittle
>> RUSA Routes Coordinator
>>
>> --- In sfrandon@yahoogroups.com, " C. Duque" <cduquenot@...> wrote:
>>>
>>> A couple of months ago I submitted the 200k La Ruta Loca Randonnee
>>> (LRLR) as a permanent event to RUSA but was declined approval. The
>>> main reason given was that the route had too many places to cut the
>>> route short thus cheating would be easy. I understand the concern
>> but
>>> at the same time can't imagine anybody "claiming" finishing a
>> brevet
>>> when they have cheated. But again, is a valid concern for RUSA.
>>> Setting up the controls is not hard, "Informational" controls are
>>> allowed in events and the route IS a mixed terrain ride not only
>>> off-road so it visits several towns where it is easy to find
>> locations
>>> for controls. However meeting the time cut off is a real challenge.
>>> When I designed it, that is what I had in mind, to be a real
>>> challenging ride. I usually make it to the first control with 10-15
>>> minutes to spare and it continues like that for the rest of the
>> ride.
>>> For me that is an interesting ride but that may discourage others.
>>>
>>> I could fix the cheating issue easily by adding a couple more
>> controls
>>> but have not done so. Right about the same time I received the news
>> my
>>> Permanent request was declined I got an injury that has keep me away
>>> from mixed terrain rides so I lost interest. Just now I am riding
>>> again with the help/company of some SFRs. The way Randonneuring
>> route
>>> rules are set (not just in the US) designing "approved" mixed
>> terrain
>>> routes is very hard, and if like me you try to start near or in a
>>> large city it can be almost impossible. It can be done but it is
>> hard
>>> as most paved roads tend to be shorter than trails for the same
>> route.
>>>
>>> A mixed terrain 200k brevet would attract a *very* small group of
>>> riders but a mixed terrain Populaire is a different story. If any
>>> mixed terrain is ever scheduled I volunteer to do any organization
>>> needed, I know I can find others to help. The shorter mixed terrain
>>> rides (< 60 miles) have proven to be very popular with riders. All
>>> sorts of riders/bikes show up. I have several routes that start/end
>> at
>>> the Strauss statue at the GGB complete with cue sheets that can be
>>> used today and one that I named "Mixed Terrain 101" is specially
>>> suited to serve as introduction to mixed terrain riding.
>>> http://bike.duque.net/mixed-love-hurts.htm
>>>
>>> I'll be riding the Traditional Mixed terrain route next Saturday
>>> starting at 8 am at the Strauss Statue if anybody is interested.
>>>
>>> My version of a mixed terrain how-to:
>>> http://bike.duque.net/mixed-terrain-how-to.htm
>>> .
>>> Carlos
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jul 8, 2008 at 12:07 PM, Bruce Berg <bberg@...> wrote:
>>> > I suspect that if someone wants to propose a new route to Rob,
>> he'd be
>>> > quite willing to take a look at it. What one needs to keep in
>> mind for
>>> > any route that will be approved by RUSA is that they will only
>> consider
>>> > the shortest route we can travel (ie, no freeways) between points
>> that
>>> > are verifiable. I find that using the Fleche rule 8 on the RUSA
>> site
>>> > http://www.rusa.org/flecherules.html is very helpful. The core
>>> > statement from that page states "Distance traveled is calculated
>> on the
>>> > basis of the shortest route between checkpoints that can be
>> legally
>>> > traveled by bicycle." So, you need to find checkpoints that will
>> be
>>> > open when any rider will be there within the full range of speed
>> which
>>> > is allowed.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Also, if it's going to be a club ride, there has to be a place for
>>> > riders to park and confirm when you started and finished. One
>> could
>>> > always apply to do a ride as a Permanent. If it's going to be an
>>> > official club ride and someone is going to have to be there to
>> check
>>> > riders in at the beginning and end, it's easier to get volunteers
>> for
>>> > that if they have a place they'd enjoy, be it a park, coffee
>> shop, etc.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > There is more info on Permanent routes at
>>> > http://www.rusa.org/permrules.html Particularly the parts on
>> Routes
>>> > and Checkpoints
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Bruce Berg
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > ________________________________
>>> >
>>> > From: sfrandon@yahoogroups.com [mailto:sfrandon@yahoogroups.com]
>> On
>>> > Behalf Of mike biswell
>>> > Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2008 11:41 AM
>>> > To: sfrandon@yahoogroups.com
>>> > Subject: [sfrandon] Randonnee Alpine
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > The 'Randonee Alpine' from Geneva to Cannes does contain an
>>> > optional/historical off-road/mixed terrain portion of the route,
>> as
>>> > likely many other historical French rando routes also do.
>>> >
>>> > Regards!
>>> > Mike
>>> >
>>> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
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