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From: Garrybeckett1@... <Garrybeckett1@...>
Subject: Re: [bike polo] Vintage Bike Polo Pictures
To: forum@...
Date: Monday, November 23, 2009, 6:07 AM

Hi All, I think John is right that the guy in the photo is Ching Allin I've taken a look at all the pictures & can identify a couple of the guys. The photos in the stadium, I first thought were at the Crystal Palace football ground, Selhurst Park, South East London ( 10min walk from my house) as photo 5 has 2 tall chimneys in the background which look like the old power station on Purley Way.. But looking further at the stadium shots it would appear there is a dog racing track around the outside and I have never heard of that being at Selhurst Park.. Time for some local research I think.. My late father when he was 14 played his first games with a couple of the guys in the pics at Selhurst Park in the mid to late 40's, so I would hazard a guess this is the era their from...

Further info: Pic 1 Background player on the R/H side is George Ongley & I seem to recall he played for the Norwood Paragon. George was very instrumental in the construction & running the the BPAGB both prior & post WW2, and ploughed an awful lot of personal money & time into the sport he was so passionate about..

Pic 2: I think this could possibly be Jim Oakley, who played for Crystal Palace BPC in the years that I knew him. I'm not definite its him, and this is not a crystal palace BPC strip he's wearing

Pic's 9 & 10 are both taken at Purley Way playing fields, Croydon, Sth London. This was considered by most British Players to be the 'Wembley' of bicycle polo such was its quality. But when the weather was bad, it was terrible due to the exposed nature of the landscape, which was originally the site of the Worlds first International Airport....

Pics 7 & 8 are quite obviously HRH Prince Philip, these shots were taken at Smiths Lawn, Windsor Great Park in 1967... The BPAGB was invited to put on an exhibition game for HRH Queen Elizabeth, family & friends, and was staged as a London v Surrey match. Prince Philip & his pals were invited to 'have a go' after the main match & they played a short game alongside some of the 'pro' bi polo players.. I recall my father saying he was a 'natural' for the game, but he alas preferred to stay on his horse! The mallet he is using was my fathers, who never used it again after its Royal useage!!!... I think it still hangs in the cupboard under the stairs at my mothers house....

Pic 16 is again George Ongley... Is this possibly a name of the stadium, or is it a press box in the roof..???? I cant get enough clarity, on my screen here

Pic 19: Looks very much like Harry Gray, another stalwart of the sport who was heavily involved with the official side of the BPAGB... He had a son who played called Les, who went on to be a famous 1970's pop star as the lead man of a band called Mud.. I believ Les now lives in the states, and would be aged approx 60

Pic 23: The player in the middle is again George Ongley

Further useless info, the Norwood Paragon players (hooped shirts) would have been in Yellow & Green

Hope this is of interest to some of you. I'm now off to research if there ever was a dog track in this part of London!!!

GB

#1222

From: Ferris Boulos <mail2ferris@...>
Date: Mon Nov 23, 2009 7:35 pm
Subject: Fwd: Denmark Shame

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Subject: Fwd: Denmark Shame
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Date: Monday, November 23, 2009, 10:53 AM

Subject: FW: Denmark Shame:

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Please sign the petition and forward.



Denmark is a big shame
The sea is stained red and its not because of the climate effects of nature.

It's because of the cruelty that the human beings (civilised human) kill hundreds of the famous and intelligent Calderon dolphins.

This happens every year in Feroe island in Denmark. In this slaughter the main participants are young teens.
WHY?
To show that they are adults and mature.... BULLLLsh

In this big celebration, nothing is missing for the fun. Everyone is participating in one way or the other, killing or looking at the cruelty “supporting like a spectator”

Is it necessary to mention that the dolphin calderon, like all the other species of dolphins, it’s near extinction and they get near men to play and interact. In a way of PURE friendship

They don’t die instantly; they are cut 1, 2 or 3 times with thick hooks. And at that time the dolphins produce a scream extremely compatible with the cry of a new born child.

But he suffers and there’s no compassion till this sweet being slowly dies in its own blood

Its enough!
We will send this mail until this email arrives in any association defending the animals, we won’t only read. That would make us accomplices, viewers.

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86- Eduardo Wieser -SC- Brasil
87- Julio Pancera (Navegantes, SC - Brasil)
88- Fredi Goede (Pomerode, SC Brasil)
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113 - Carla Santos - Oeiras / Portugal
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121 - Kalen Viljoen - South Africa
122 – Wendy Golding – South Africa
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125 - Ilse Swart
126 - Miche de bee
127 - Celeste Smit
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148 Rozanne Henning (Stellenbosch, SA)
149 Rhoda Henning (Pretoria, South Africa)
150 Magda Pieters (Cape Town, South Africa)… Grow up!!!
151 Adele Jooste – (Botswana)
152 Jacques Potgieter(Port Elizabeth)
153 Cecile Nowers (Port Elizabeth)
154 Léan Nowers (Port Elizabeth)
155 Kathleen Nowers (Port Elizabeth)
156 Michelle Nowers (Port Elizabeth)
157 Antony Jennings
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159 Lyndsay Jennings
160 Anjeliek Verster South Africa
161 Stella Loubser, Perth, Australia
162 Dreyer Loubser, Perth, Australia
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164Jeff Dale
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206 Stephen Jensen, Melbourne, Vic Australia

207. Lis Addison, San Francisco, California, USA

208. Linda Sroa, San Francisco, California, USA

209. Surinder Sroa, San Francisco, California, USA

210. Jyoti Sroa, San Francisco, California, USA

211. Karen Rivers, San Francisco, CA, USA

212. Ferris M. Boulos, San Francisco, CA, USA

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#1221

From: rez rez <rrrezzz@...>
Date: Sun Nov 22, 2009 9:26 pm
Subject: re:weather report

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rained at 7am, sun's breaking, i'm on my way out there
-r

--- On Mon, 23/11/09, Joel Winter <joelp.winter@...> wrote:

From: Joel Winter <joelp.winter@...>
Subject: Re: [sfbikepolo] Bike Polo Sunday - 2:30 Speedway
To: sfbikepolo@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, 23 November, 2009, 2:16 AM

How is it out there? Wet?

On 11/21/09, Michael Klett <biklett@sbcglobal. net> wrote:
> I know you'll all be there.
>

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#1220

From: Jeremiah Goodwin <jbgoodwin74@...>
Date: Sun Nov 22, 2009 8:59 pm
Subject: Re: Bike Polo Sunday - 2:30 Speedway

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I prefer the term moist.

From: Joel Winter <joelp.winter@...>
To: sfbikepolo@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sun, November 22, 2009 12:46:42 PM
Subject: Re: [sfbikepolo] Bike Polo Sunday - 2:30 Speedway

How is it out there? Wet?

On 11/21/09, Michael Klett <biklett@...> wrote:
> I know you'll all be there.
>

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#1219

From: Joel Winter <joelp.winter@...>
Date: Sun Nov 22, 2009 8:46 pm
Subject: Re: Bike Polo Sunday - 2:30 Speedway

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How is it out there? Wet?

On 11/21/09, Michael Klett <biklett@...> wrote:
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#1218

From: Michael Klett <biklett@...>
Date: Sun Nov 22, 2009 3:29 am
Subject: Bike Polo Sunday - 2:30 Speedway

biklett

Online Now

I know you'll all be there.

#1217

From: rez rez <rrrezzz@...>
Date: Sat Nov 21, 2009 7:37 pm
Subject: rules

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http://www.xtranormal.com/watch/5698203

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#1216

From: Michael Klett <biklett@...>
Date: Thu Nov 19, 2009 6:32 am
Subject: Re: Fwd: From the days when whiners got decapitated:

biklett

Online Now

http://picasaweb.google.com/king.georgec/VintageBikePolo#5214928735873986706

Interesting setup in the picture above- Instead of flipping your back wheel, just use two rear wheels with different size cogs and spread your fork a little.

--- On Wed, 11/18/09, Doug Lohf <dlohf@...> wrote:

From: Doug Lohf <dlohf@...>
Subject: Fwd: [sfbikepolo] From the days when whiners got decapitated:
To: sfbikepolo@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, November 18, 2009, 8:25 PM

forwarding from the other group...sorry if you receive it again. great shots.

Pretty sure Rez is looking for that helmet as I type this...

Begin forwarded message:

From: Jason Corning <jason.r.corning@ gmail.com>
Date: November 18, 2009 7:44:16 PM PST
To: sfbikepolo@npogroup s.org
Subject: [sfbikepolo] From the days when whiners got decapitated:
Reply-To: sfbikepolo@npogroup s.org

Just a selection from from this gallery.
Aren't they glorious?

-Jason

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#1215

From: Doug Lohf <dlohf@...>
Date: Thu Nov 19, 2009 4:25 am
Subject: Fwd: From the days when whiners got decapitated:

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forwarding from the other group...sorry if you receive it again. great shots.

Pretty sure Rez is looking for that helmet as I type this...

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Date: November 18, 2009 7:44:16 PM PST
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Subject: [sfbikepolo] From the days when whiners got decapitated:
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Just a selection from from this gallery.
Aren't they glorious?

-Jason

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#1214

From: Jeremiah Goodwin <jbgoodwin74@...>
Date: Thu Nov 19, 2009 2:03 am
Subject: Sunday Speedway

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Hey All,
It is my 35th birthday this Sunday, and I figured, what better way to spend it than a picnic/bbq and polo in the park. I'm going to be heading down to Speedway meadow with some friends for a picnic(BBQ if we can get a grill) at 1 or 1:30 on Sunday. We will be hanging, there will be beer, there will be cake, there will be fun had by all. Then when we are full of beer and cake, i'd like to play some polo. Everyone is welcome(even encouraged) to join us, bring a blanket, some lunch, whatever. It should be a pretty small group, maybe 12 people.
I'll see you there
Miah

#1213

From: Doug Lohf <dlohf@...>
Date: Thu Nov 19, 2009 1:29 am
Subject: SF kids discussing Bike Polo

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http://www.xtranormal.com/watch/5697155/

Actually my friend forwarded me this with Cyclocross being used...I just changed cyclocross to BP...

everything else is the same since it was so classic and I already felt like a punk for taking the text.

original

http://www.xtranormal.com/watch/5684963/

#1212

From: "Jeremiah Ducate" <bfrog76@...>
Date: Wed Nov 18, 2009 5:45 pm
Subject: OT personal: seeking space at swap.

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I have a few choice items and maybe a bike im looking to sell at the swap.  Let
me know offlist if you can help.  Planning on being there all day so i can help
man a table some and/or kick in a few bucks if need be.  Thanks and keep the
rubber side down:-)

#1211

From: Monica Nolan <monica@...>
Date: Tue Nov 17, 2009 6:52 pm
Subject: Re: In case you were wondering where those pickles came from

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Such the media personality!

You've never seen Blazing Saddles? Next thing you'll tell me you've never seen The Breakfast Club.

On Nov 17, 2009, at 10:30 AM, rez rez wrote:

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/object/article?f=/c/a/2009/11/17/DDNA1AL891.DTL&object=%2Fc%2Fpictures%2F2009%2F11%2F16%2Fdd-PMRezz_0500851036.jpg

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#1210

From: rez rez <rrrezzz@...>
Date: Tue Nov 17, 2009 6:30 pm
Subject: In case you were wondering where those pickles came from

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http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/object/article?f=/c/a/2009/11/17/DDNA1AL891.DTL&object=%2Fc%2Fpictures%2F2009%2F11%2F16%2Fdd-PMRezz_0500851036.jpg

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#1209

From: "modevlin" <maureendevlin595@...>
Date: Mon Nov 16, 2009 6:08 am
Subject: fun polo

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hope y'all enjoyed slipping and sliding into the setting sun and didn't get
eaten alive by those skeeters.

I talked about Mt. Sutro with a few people tonight, and the trailbuilding that
both Rez and I (with dozens of others) have been doing up there.
go check out the trails - they are multi-use, very little used, and it is a
really interesting place.
map here (but go prepared to enjoy getting turned around)  ->
http://sfurbanriders.org/wordpress/projects/mt-sutro-trail-building/
you can read a bit about the habitat here (note - there is currently controversy
about managing Sutro, hence some of the tone)
http://sfurbanriders.org/wordpress/resources/siggs-tree-article/
and finally, if you want to come trail build, next one is 12.5.09 (1st saturday
of month) meet at Wood lot (behind UCSF med center) around 9. Its always a fun,
satisfying morning, and then they serve us pizza and beer around 12:45

Mo

#1208

From: Joel Winter <joelp.winter@...>
Date: Sun Nov 15, 2009 9:30 pm
Subject: Abandoned Trek 830

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Steel mountain bike, size small. Rear rim in very bad shape. Front brakes busted. At that point I decided this is someone else's project.

Anyone interested? Come get it.
-j

#1207

From: Joel Winter <joelp.winter@...>
Date: Sun Nov 15, 2009 9:24 pm
Subject: Re: is there Speedway polo Sunday?

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As they say in Cascadia...

Count. It.

On Sun, Nov 15, 2009 at 12:52 PM, Monica Nolan <monica@...> wrote:

�

I heart grass and hardcourt and all those who play thereon; I heart Matt's moustache

Monica

On Nov 13, 2009, at 1:14 PM, rez rez wrote:

sounds like you need to think seriously about your priorities vis a vis your girlfriend and matt;s moustache.�

i'm down for polo on sunday.� nice weather for it.

-r.

--- On�Sat, 14/11/09, Jeremiah Goodwin�<jbgoodwin74@...>�wrote:

From: Jeremiah Goodwin <jbgoodwin74@...>
Subject: Re: [sfbikepolo] is there Speedway polo Sunday?
To: sfbikepolo@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, 14 November, 2009, 2:36 AM

�

Hey Guys,
I don't have grass-a-phobia, it is just a scheduling thing, hardcourt can play until 10pm. I've been busy on weekends, and trying to spend time with Alysson too. I really miss the tuesday night grass game, and Matt's moustache. F-ing daylight savings time. I'm trying to get my friend Arno into a chukkar, I think we'll be down on sunday.��

From:�Monica Nolan <monica@monicanolan. com>
To:�sfbikepolo@yahoogro ups.com
Sent:�Fri, November 13, 2009 10:09:12 AM
Subject:�Re: [sfbikepolo] is there Speedway polo Sunday?

I'm in--3pm?

Mentioned last night at hardcourt that the crossover needs to go in both directions. Enough with this grass-phobia.

Monica

On Nov 13, 2009, at 9:29 AM, Matthew Hoover wrote:

Bicycle polo game this Sunday afternoon in GGP, anyone?

Last week was the first game in eons, and it felt rusty but really�
really great.

Where's Mo and Miah and LycraMan (OK he's in San Rafael) and Ferris�
and everyone else who's been absent?

chukkars,
matt.

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#1206

From: Monica Nolan <monica@...>
Date: Sun Nov 15, 2009 8:52 pm
Subject: Re: is there Speedway polo Sunday?

moncia465

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I heart grass and hardcourt and all those who play thereon; I heart Matt's moustache

Monica

On Nov 13, 2009, at 1:14 PM, rez rez wrote:

sounds like you need to think seriously about your priorities vis a vis your girlfriend and matt;s moustache.

i'm down for polo on sunday. nice weather for it.

-r.

--- On Sat, 14/11/09, Jeremiah Goodwin <jbgoodwin74@yahoo.com> wrote:

From: Jeremiah Goodwin <jbgoodwin74@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [sfbikepolo] is there Speedway polo Sunday?
To: sfbikepolo@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, 14 November, 2009, 2:36 AM

Hey Guys,
I don't have grass-a-phobia, it is just a scheduling thing, hardcourt can play until 10pm. I've been busy on weekends, and trying to spend time with Alysson too. I really miss the tuesday night grass game, and Matt's moustache. F-ing daylight savings time. I'm trying to get my friend Arno into a chukkar, I think we'll be down on sunday.

From: Monica Nolan <monica@monicanolan. com>
To: sfbikepolo@yahoogro ups.com
Sent: Fri, November 13, 2009 10:09:12 AM
Subject: Re: [sfbikepolo] is there Speedway polo Sunday?

I'm in--3pm?

Mentioned last night at hardcourt that the crossover needs to go in both directions. Enough with this grass-phobia.

Monica

On Nov 13, 2009, at 9:29 AM, Matthew Hoover wrote:

Bicycle polo game this Sunday afternoon in GGP, anyone?

Last week was the first game in eons, and it felt rusty but really
really great.

Where's Mo and Miah and LycraMan (OK he's in San Rafael) and Ferris
and everyone else who's been absent?

chukkars,
matt.

The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Yahoo! Homepage.

#1205

From: sam <learnt@...>
Date: Sat Nov 14, 2009 10:56 pm
Subject: Re: Re: is there Speedway polo Sunday?

learnt

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be there with my club

From: Michael Klett <biklett@...>
To: sfbikepolo@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sat, November 14, 2009 11:53:00 AM
Subject: Re: [sfbikepolo] Re: is there Speedway polo Sunday?

Yes, 3pm is start of play. Come a little before to get ready. -mk

--- On Sat, 11/14/09, stefano foresti <email@stefanoforest i.com> wrote:

From: stefano foresti <email@stefanoforest i.com>
Subject: [sfbikepolo] Re: is there Speedway polo Sunday?
To: sfbikepolo@yahoogro ups.com
Date: Saturday, November 14, 2009, 10:55 AM

I am coming into the bay tonight and shall be able to join bikepolo this
week:

I read 3pm at the goldengate park tomorrow sunday: please confirm, Stefano

Stefano Foresti
email: email@stefanoforest i.com
phone: +1-801-971-3680
skype: stefanoforesti

#1204

From: Michael Klett <biklett@...>
Date: Sat Nov 14, 2009 7:53 pm
Subject: Re: Re: is there Speedway polo Sunday?

biklett

Online Now

Yes, 3pm is start of play. Come a little before to get ready. -mk

--- On Sat, 11/14/09, stefano foresti <email@...> wrote:

From: stefano foresti <email@...>
Subject: [sfbikepolo] Re: is there Speedway polo Sunday?
To: sfbikepolo@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, November 14, 2009, 10:55 AM

I am coming into the bay tonight and shall be able to join bikepolo this
week:

I read 3pm at the goldengate park tomorrow sunday: please confirm, Stefano

Stefano Foresti
email: email@stefanoforest i.com
phone: +1-801-971-3680
skype: stefanoforesti

#1203

From: "stefano foresti" <email@...>
Date: Sat Nov 14, 2009 6:55 pm
Subject: Re: is there Speedway polo Sunday?

stefano_foresti

Offline

I am coming into the bay tonight and shall be able to join bikepolo this
week:

I read 3pm at the goldengate park tomorrow sunday:  please confirm,  Stefano

Stefano Foresti
email:     email@...
phone:     +1-801-971-3680
skype:     stefanoforesti

#1202

From: Jeremiah Goodwin <jbgoodwin74@...>
Date: Sat Nov 14, 2009 6:53 pm
Subject: Re: is there Speedway polo Sunday?

jbgoodwin74

Offline

Yeah Monica,
I second that. And let us remember Doug, who comes from the outer, outer, outer Sunset to get a few whacks at the ball. I just have one question; is there ever "enough polo happening"? Cause I like my polo with a side of polo, and some polo on top. But that's just me.
Miah

From: Monica Nolan <monica@...>
To: sfbikepolo@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Fri, November 13, 2009 8:15:38 PM
Subject: Re: [sfbikepolo] is there Speedway polo Sunday?

Yeah, the whole "it's too far" doesn't get a whole lot of cred for those of us who commute to dolores from the Richmond on our low-geared fixies. But that's just a mission thing. I get that from my friends in the Mission all the time. It's like there's an electronic fence that shocks them if they cross the border into another neighborhood. Especially one that might involve going uphill.

Maybe it's just enough polo happening so people don't need to try another variety. But still--I don't think I was as reluctant to try hardcourt as some of the people I've talked to. But maybe I was and just don't remember...it was all so long ago.

Monica

On Nov 13, 2009, at 11:08 AM, Joel Winter wrote:

I believe the 'phobia' is mostly a matter of location. Most hardcourt players live or at least spend evenings in the Mission. Several of them have said "it's too far, I'm too busy, and I prefer the grass version."

Has anyone heard a grass player saying same about hard court?

Hard court has grown largely through word-of-mouth and passers-by stopping to check it out. (OK, we have gained when top players from other cities move to SF as well.) Grass has gained new people in the same ways. Both sides are growing, let's not worry about competing for the swing players.

-j

On Fri, Nov 13, 2009 at 10:09 AM, Monica Nolan <monica@monicanolan. com> wrote:

I'm in--3pm?

Mentioned last night at hardcourt that the crossover needs to go in both directions. Enough with this grass-phobia.

Monica

On Nov 13, 2009, at 9:29 AM, Matthew Hoover wrote:

#1201

From: Jeremiah Goodwin <jbgoodwin74@...>
Date: Sat Nov 14, 2009 6:43 pm
Subject: Re: there's Speedway polo Sunday

jbgoodwin74

Offline

Michael,
Last time I was down at the grass game you mentioned having ski poles to donate to the hardcourters. If you have some love to give, bring it down, and I'll get your pole into someones' willing, empty right hand. And then everyone will be happy.

Thanks
Miah

From: Michael Klett <biklett@...>
To: sfbikepolo@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Fri, November 13, 2009 11:58:07 AM
Subject: [sfbikepolo] there's Speedway polo Sunday

2:30 flipping wheels and lubrication
3:00 or earlier first chukkar
5:10 darkness falls

--- On Fri, 11/13/09, Matthew Hoover <mhoover@...> wrote:

From: Matthew Hoover <mhoover@...>
Subject: [sfbikepolo] is there Speedway polo Sunday?
To: sfbikepolo@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, November 13, 2009, 9:29 AM

Bicycle polo game this Sunday afternoon in GGP, anyone?

Last week was the first game in eons, and it felt rusty but really
really great.

Where's Mo and Miah and LycraMan (OK he's in San Rafael) and Ferris
and everyone else who's been absent?

chukkars,
matt.

#1200

From: Monica Nolan <monica@...>
Date: Sat Nov 14, 2009 4:15 am
Subject: Re: is there Speedway polo Sunday?

moncia465

Offline

Yeah, the whole "it's too far" doesn't get a whole lot of cred for those of us who commute to dolores from the Richmond on our low-geared fixies. But that's just a mission thing. I get that from my friends in the Mission all the time. It's like there's an electronic fence that shocks them if they cross the border into another neighborhood. Especially one that might involve going uphill.

Monica

On Nov 13, 2009, at 11:08 AM, Joel Winter wrote:

I believe the 'phobia' is mostly a matter of location. Most hardcourt players live or at least spend evenings in the Mission. Several of them have said "it's too far, I'm too busy, and I prefer the grass version."

Has anyone heard a grass player saying same about hard court?

Hard court has grown largely through word-of-mouth and passers-by stopping to check it out. (OK, we have gained when top players from other cities move to SF as well.) Grass has gained new people in the same ways. Both sides are growing, let's not worry about competing for the swing players.

-j

On Fri, Nov 13, 2009 at 10:09 AM, Monica Nolan <monica@monicanolan.com> wrote:

I'm in--3pm?

Mentioned last night at hardcourt that the crossover needs to go in both directions. Enough with this grass-phobia.

Monica

On Nov 13, 2009, at 9:29 AM, Matthew Hoover wrote:

#1199

From: "modevlin" <maureendevlin595@...>
Date: Sat Nov 14, 2009 12:00 am
Subject: Re: iphone App - "Cycletracks" - for recording bike trips, v. cool, please consider using.

modevlin

Offline

great, seems like you have some ideas.
feel free to contact billy.charlton@... with your input.
I don't think this is the forum for the discussion, tone has become negative.

I heart polo, sfbikepolo yahoo group should be a place where we positively
gather around our love of cycling and the sports it spawns.


--- In sfbikepolo@yahoogroups.com, Joel Winter <joelp.winter@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Mo, you know I didn't mean to make this a public discussion. I hope you
> take the following as constructive.
>
> Perhaps a representative sample could be obtained by employing a more
> scientific and structured design, at a modest impact to the cost of the
> study. One idea would be that participants are recruited and selected
> (controlling for self-selection bias) and provided the free use of an
> i-phone for their participation in the study. This type of research is quite
> common and can be done for a reasonable budget.
>
> Crappy data is crappy data. A ton of it only weighs more. Being cheap crappy
> data does little to make the voter feel like the program is worthwhile. The
> risk is that energy will be spent to analyze and report on the data only to
> be met with these criticisms when it really matters.
>
> Regardless, efforts to plan for improvements to the bike network are noble.
> Thank you for whatever part you are playing.
> -j
>
>
>
> On Fri, Nov 13, 2009 at 11:07 AM, modevlin <maureendevlin595@...>wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > hi
> >
> > Most surveys/data collection have bias, especially if they are low budget.
> > We are leveraging existing infrastructure, not blatant discrimination
> > against you "berry"d folk
> > For $10K we have an app that will do a better job and/or less expensive of
> > recording cyclists movements than:
> >
> > 1) standing on corners
> > 2) individuals surveys
> >
> > and, truth be told, that iPhone use is so widespread, that this will be an
> > ok representation of who is biking in SF. agreed it represents the money'd
> > folk of this town, and better understanding and representation need to
> > happen, but sometimes its just a cost-benefit analysis.
> >
> > 10K = ton of data
> >
> > Cycletrack links here ->
> > http://www.sfcta.org/content/view/666/376
> > win prizes!
> > http://www.sfcta.org/content/view/668/379
> > for the facewashed - >
> > http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=312000305031&v=wall
> >
> > see you all Sunday
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In sfbikepolo@yahoogroups.com <sfbikepolo%40yahoogroups.com>, Joel
> > Winter <joelp.winter@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Very interesting. The link to the press release did not work.
> > >
> > > So the app was released to collect data for planning purposes. Does this
> > > mean the TA is giving de facto priority to owners of iPhones in its
> > planning
> > > process? Was there any consideration given to alternative research
> > designs
> > > that did not have this bias?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 5:50 PM, Maureen Devlin <
> > > maureendevlin595@> wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > > [Attachment(s) <#124eb3e1a05e7a7b_TopText> from Maureen Devlin included
> >
> > > > below]
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Hi all,
> > > >
> > > > The TA (where I work) released an iPhone app today that will track
> > where
> > > > you ride using the GPS function.
> > > > Data collection will be used in our model, and will lead to better
> > > > understanding and planning for bicycling in San Francisco.
> > > > I tested the beta version, it is easy to use, lets you do other things
> > > > simultaneously (listen to music, even talk on phone), sometimes I
> > forgot to
> > > > turn it off. but late is better than not at all.
> > > >
> > > > Please download and use.
> > > >
> > > > If you are concerned about privacy: the data is only for a model that
> > we
> > > > run. We give the output to other city agencies but not the raw data.
> > > > BUT as a city agency, the sunshine law prevails, and we could possible
> > have
> > > > to give all information to someone who asked for it.
> > > > My take on this, is that with so much data, you disappear in the mass
> > of
> > > > numbers. But there is a file with your movements and your name, and we
> > do
> > > > have to give it up, so if that makes you tweaky, no CycleTracks for
> > you.
> > > >
> > > > Happy cycling. Mo
> > > >
> > > > ps. you can friend us on Facebook, too. might be good for discussion,
> > > > because it can be difficult to describe your bike trip, and you may
> > want to
> > > > know what is best practice.
> > > >
> > > > ------------------------------
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
>

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#1198

From: rez rez <rrrezzz@...>
Date: Fri Nov 13, 2009 9:14 pm
Subject: Re: is there Speedway polo Sunday?

rrrezzz

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sounds like you need to think seriously about your priorities vis a vis your girlfriend and matt;s moustache.

i'm down for polo on sunday. nice weather for it.

-r.

--- On Sat, 14/11/09, Jeremiah Goodwin <jbgoodwin74@...> wrote:

From: Jeremiah Goodwin <jbgoodwin74@...>
Subject: Re: [sfbikepolo] is there Speedway polo Sunday?
To: sfbikepolo@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, 14 November, 2009, 2:36 AM

Hey Guys,
I don't have grass-a-phobia, it is just a scheduling thing, hardcourt can play until 10pm. I've been busy on weekends, and trying to spend time with Alysson too. I really miss the tuesday night grass game, and Matt's moustache. F-ing daylight savings time. I'm trying to get my friend Arno into a chukkar, I think we'll be down on sunday.

From: Monica Nolan <monica@monicanolan. com>
To: sfbikepolo@yahoogro ups.com
Sent: Fri, November 13, 2009 10:09:12 AM
Subject: Re: [sfbikepolo] is there Speedway polo Sunday?

I'm in--3pm?

Mentioned last night at hardcourt that the crossover needs to go in both directions. Enough with this grass-phobia.

Monica

On Nov 13, 2009, at 9:29 AM, Matthew Hoover wrote:

Bicycle polo game this Sunday afternoon in GGP, anyone?

Last week was the first game in eons, and it felt rusty but really
really great.

Where's Mo and Miah and LycraMan (OK he's in San Rafael) and Ferris
and everyone else who's been absent?

chukkars,
matt.

The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Yahoo! Homepage.

#1197

From: Joel Winter <joelp.winter@...>
Date: Fri Nov 13, 2009 9:05 pm
Subject: Re: Re: iphone App - "Cycletracks" - for recording bike trips, v. cool, please consider using.

joelpw

Offline

Hi Mo, you know I didn't mean to make this a public discussion. I hope you take the following as constructive.

Perhaps a representative sample could be obtained by employing a more scientific and structured design, at a modest impact to the cost of the study. One idea would be that participants are recruited and selected (controlling for self-selection bias) and provided the free use of an i-phone for their participation in the study. This type of research is quite common and can be done for a reasonable budget.

Crappy data is crappy data. A ton of it only weighs more. Being cheap crappy data does little to make the voter feel like the program is worthwhile. The risk is that energy will be spent to analyze and report on the data only to be met with these criticisms when it really matters.

Regardless, efforts to plan for improvements to the bike network are noble. Thank you for whatever part you are playing.
-j

On Fri, Nov 13, 2009 at 11:07 AM, modevlin <maureendevlin595@...> wrote:

�

hi

Most surveys/data collection have bias, especially if they are low budget.
We are leveraging existing infrastructure, not blatant discrimination against you "berry"d folk
For $10K we have an app that will do a better job and/or less expensive of recording cyclists movements than:

1) standing on corners
2) individuals surveys

and, truth be told, that iPhone use is so widespread, that this will be an ok representation of who is biking in SF. agreed it represents the money'd folk of this town, and better understanding and representation need to happen, but sometimes its just a cost-benefit analysis.

10K = ton of data

Cycletrack links here ->
http://www.sfcta.org/content/view/666/376
win prizes!
http://www.sfcta.org/content/view/668/379
for the facewashed - >
http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=312000305031&v=wall

see you all Sunday

--- In sfbikepolo@yahoogroups.com, Joel Winter <joelp.winter@...> wrote:
>
> Very interesting. The link to the press release did not work.
>
> So the app was released to collect data for planning purposes. Does this
> mean the TA is giving de facto priority to owners of iPhones in its planning
> process? Was there any consideration given to alternative research designs
> that did not have this bias?
>
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 5:50 PM, Maureen Devlin <
> maureendevlin595@...> wrote:
>
> >
> > [Attachment(s) <#124eb3e1a05e7a7b_TopText> from Maureen Devlin included

> > below]
> >
> >
> > Hi all,
> >
> > The TA (where I work) released an iPhone app today that will track where
> > you ride using the GPS function.
> > Data collection will be used in our model, and will lead to better
> > understanding and planning for bicycling in San Francisco.
> > I tested the beta version, it is easy to use, lets you do other things
> > simultaneously (listen to music, even talk on phone), sometimes I forgot to
> > turn it off. but late is better than not at all.
> >
> > Please download and use.
> >
> > If you are concerned about privacy: the data is only for a model that we
> > run. We give the output to other city agencies but not the raw data.
> > BUT as a city agency, the sunshine law prevails, and we could possible have
> > to give all information to someone who asked for it.
> > My take on this, is that with so much data, you disappear in the mass of
> > numbers. But there is a file with your movements and your name, and we do
> > have to give it up, so if that makes you tweaky, no CycleTracks for you.
> >
> > Happy cycling. Mo
> >
> > ps. you can friend us on Facebook, too. might be good for discussion,
> > because it can be difficult to describe your bike trip, and you may want to
> > know what is best practice.
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> >
>

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#1196

From: Jeremiah Goodwin <jbgoodwin74@...>
Date: Fri Nov 13, 2009 9:06 pm
Subject: Re: is there Speedway polo Sunday?

jbgoodwin74

Offline

Hey Guys,
I don't have grass-a-phobia, it is just a scheduling thing, hardcourt can play until 10pm. I've been busy on weekends, and trying to spend time with Alysson too. I really miss the tuesday night grass game, and Matt's moustache. F-ing daylight savings time. I'm trying to get my friend Arno into a chukkar, I think we'll be down on sunday.

From: Monica Nolan <monica@...>
To: sfbikepolo@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Fri, November 13, 2009 10:09:12 AM
Subject: Re: [sfbikepolo] is there Speedway polo Sunday?

I'm in--3pm?

Mentioned last night at hardcourt that the crossover needs to go in both directions. Enough with this grass-phobia.

Monica

On Nov 13, 2009, at 9:29 AM, Matthew Hoover wrote:

Bicycle polo game this Sunday afternoon in GGP, anyone?

Last week was the first game in eons, and it felt rusty but really
really great.

Where's Mo and Miah and LycraMan (OK he's in San Rafael) and Ferris
and everyone else who's been absent?

chukkars,
matt.

#1195

From: "modevlin" <maureendevlin595@...>
Date: Fri Nov 13, 2009 8:52 pm
Subject: Re: there's Speedway polo Sunday

modevlin

Offline

beware the rumblings of the post Soil Salooners

http://soilsaloon.com/

--- In sfbikepolo@yahoogroups.com, Michael Klett <biklett@...> wrote:
>
> 2:30 flipping wheels and lubrication
> 3:00 or earlier first chukkar
> 5:10 darkness falls
>
> --- On Fri, 11/13/09, Matthew Hoover <mhoover@...> wrote:
>
> From: Matthew Hoover <mhoover@...>
> Subject: [sfbikepolo] is there Speedway polo Sunday?
> To: sfbikepolo@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Friday, November 13, 2009, 9:29 AM
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>  
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Bicycle polo game this Sunday afternoon in GGP, anyone?
>
>
>
> Last week was the first game in eons, and it felt rusty but really
>
> really great.
>
>
>
> Where's Mo and Miah and LycraMan (OK he's in San Rafael) and Ferris
>
> and everyone else who's been absent?
>
>
>
> chukkars,
>
> matt.
>

#1194

From: Michael Klett <biklett@...>
Date: Fri Nov 13, 2009 7:58 pm
Subject: there's Speedway polo Sunday

biklett

Online Now

2:30 flipping wheels and lubrication
3:00 or earlier first chukkar
5:10 darkness falls

--- On Fri, 11/13/09, Matthew Hoover <mhoover@...> wrote:

From: Matthew Hoover <mhoover@...>
Subject: [sfbikepolo] is there Speedway polo Sunday?
To: sfbikepolo@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, November 13, 2009, 9:29 AM

Bicycle polo game this Sunday afternoon in GGP, anyone?

Last week was the first game in eons, and it felt rusty but really
really great.

Where's Mo and Miah and LycraMan (OK he's in San Rafael) and Ferris
and everyone else who's been absent?

chukkars,
matt.